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Posted: 10 years ago
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Awesome Sauce, It is possible, India has not stepped ahead of age old practices. Let us also accept marriage is not permission for sex. But then a question. When a man marries a girl, he is expected to be her protector and provider of her needs. When two persons love each other, the boy friend is not expected to be the provider for the girl friend. But when a man marries a girl, his duty is to financially take care of the girl. And then it is also there, the girl can demand sex from him. And it is also possible, there could be time when the girl likes to have sex and her husband is not ready to have sex probably being stressed due to his hard work of the day. If the wife forces him to have sex, is it OK? Then there is also law such that when two persons are married, if one partner does not get proper sex and it is proved in the court, the marriage could be ended and the offender could be punished.

And why do parents still call on their son or daughter to marry? The hard truth is parents can't be there for the boy and the girl throughout the life. Someone is needed to take care of the boy or the girl and that is what is expected of the life partner. The husband and the wife has to mutually take care of each other. And very unfortunately most of the boy and the girl are not well capable to choose his/her partner. The romantic love is always thrilling. But one has to mature to become intimate in the marriage and it requires hard work from both the partners.

It is based on the Western influence people call for marital rape to be criminalized. But copying every non sense from the westerners only harms India. Indians don't seem to copy good things from the Westerners. The Indian culture for long was very well in such a way that women were taken care of in the husband's home financially. But then due to Western influence so much problem has come up. Even today, there are many unemployed women in India. If they are to take all sorts of complaints to the court, how are they to be taken care of? The hardest part is when a man and a woman get married both are not mature enough. One way or the other each partner hurts the other person and till both of them build adequate maturity and intimacy, there will be pain for one or the other partner. Both the partners could also believe that sex is the way to build the intimacy and during some day, one of them can demand sex. If it is considered marital rape and the marriage is to be broken, this can only cause chaos in the family. Probably the western woman could be accustomed to this breaking as she knows she is in a job even after marriage. But in India? If she is not working, will her parents financially take care of her after the marriage breaks this way?

Thus many questions come up..
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Posted: 10 years ago
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One point here. In the West, when two persons are married, let us accept the husband or wife denies sex to the other partner. In that case, the husband or wife can have sex outside marriage. Even before marriage a man or a woman can try more than one partner in the bed and decide the suitable partner. If in a marriage one of the partner has affairs in the West, it doesn't mean the end of the marriage and it is even possible the partners can sort out the difference. But in India? Both the partners having extra marital affairs could have sever consequences. Can you expect Indians to accept extra marital affairs to be norm? How will the husband if the husband finds she has extra marital affair because he has denied sex for her? Same question to the wife also. Note that these things are not handled in the same way as Westerners do.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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^^ Bottom line is CONSENT. Any marriage without consent should itself be declared illegal. That should take care of many of the problems you mentioned. Married or not sex by force amounts to rape- as clear as that. Legal implications can be tricky - agreed.
Using kinky methods could be opposed by the partner- married or not. Using force as a matter of entitlement because married amounts to gross violation of human dignity.
Can a partner indulging in such a violent behaviour be deemed as serving the role of a provider or caretaker /protector as you enumerated?
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: qwertyesque


thats easy... woman are protected species in india.. they scream rape - rape it is!!!


Of course. That is why a woman in an institution as prestigious as St. Stephens can be molested, harassed by her PhD supervisor, have her PhD put in jeopardy and when she tries to fight against it, she can be bullied and pressurized into withdrawing her complaint. Yes, women are the "protected species" in India.

The ignorance, insensitivity and stupidity of people gives me chills. Really.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: zorrro

It may work if they make forced marriages illegal. Any marriage conducted under pressure and against the will of the boy or girl should be considered illegal and stand cancelled.šŸ‘ŽšŸ¼

On the contrary there are some people including a Chief Justice of Chennai who thinks it is OK for the rapist and the victim to negotiate marriage to escape punishment😲 Can anything be more deplorable

Well, all I can say is that Welcome to India! Ouch
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@Maha2US -
Who said rape is a crime only for women?
Men have the same right.
We're not against their rights.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: LoveToLaugh


Of course. That is why a woman in an institution as prestigious as St. Stephens can be molested, harassed by her PhD supervisor, have her PhD put in jeopardy and when she tries to fight against it, she can be bullied and pressurized into withdrawing her complaint. Yes, women are the "protected species" in India.

The ignorance, insensitivity and stupidity of people gives me chills. Really.

You're actually proving what you set out to disprove. A woman said she was molested, and you decide that she was indeed molested, even before it is conclusively proven.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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AwesomeSauce: The law makers want to make this law exclusively for females. There are reasons males are protesting because marital rape is already covered in other laws. There is already Domestic Violence law in which a female could seek justice when she is sexually harassed in a marriage. There are actually fifty laws by which a wife can file a case when she has problems with her husband. But for a male person. Males are also harassed in marriage, subjected to violence and are forced to have sex. They are forced to spend their hard earned money on their in-laws for which they are forced to give consent. What way can they seek justice? All that males want is whatever law is made the law has to be gender-neutral. As another point, the supreme court has already made many notification that dowry law is very much misused and 98% cases based on the dowry law is false. What action is the Govt: taking based on this point? We will be happy if those who misuse the law are stringently punished.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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^Then instead of cancelling it, they should be adding clauses for men so that it suits both the parties. 😳

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: souro

You're actually proving what you set out to disprove. A woman said she was molested, and you decide that she was indeed molested, even before it is conclusively proven.


I was reacting to the "women are protected species" comment.

However, tell me why should we not believe a woman when she says she has been a victim of sexual abuse? Do women not get enough shit as it is? If you think that people believe a woman every time she "screams rape", you couldn't be more wrong. Questions are raised about what she was wearing, the time she was out, the amount of alcohol she had consumed (if any); it is bullshit. As for marital rape, most people don't believe that is even a thing. Because it is extremely hard to believe (even for the victim) that someone you know can do such a terrible thing.

I am not saying that women cannot falsely accuse someone. But it is up to the court to decide whether or not an accusation is false. Last time I checked, the law gives you a fair trial. You are allowed to fight your case no matter who accuses you.

Is it possible to believe and empathize with the victim while also believing that it is important to hear out the accused too? I think so.

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