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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Angel-likeDevil

You have lots of patience, and thankyou. 😆 everytime you write your pov is panning out more clearly. Yes, that's a very valid point you made. I think every man is encouraged because there are still those bits and fragments of primeval tendencies... I really wonder if women didnt pursue any men 'back in those days' ?? 🤔

- Me too..🤔 😆 .. but in my head its like what we see on the discovery channel now-a-days..😆..men compete , women wait for results & the best man wins..😎 🤣
venturing out as in, if a man or woman wants to go 'indulge' with someone , it shouldnt bother...anyways, that was my personal view, because I dont believe fidelity exists.
- Perspective.. because strictly speaking, physical (sexual) fidelity can be achieved if enough will power is exercised but mental fidelity is something that is difficult to achieve & quantify..however, i saw another documentary on discovery channel a few years ago , which dealt with a study conducted on 'couples who claimed to be truly in love'..they were subjected to various images & audios including that of sexual/erotic in nature & randomly their respective spouse's/partner's visuals & audios were thrown in & a lot of things were measured , like , heart beats , brain activity ..etc to give an idea of how they reacted to each visual & audio stimulation..and the studies found that 'couples in love' truly do exist & fidelity of both kinds too exists..this fidelity thing (mental & physical) was especially startling in the case of men , since it has been long thought that men are inherently wired to mate with as many women as possible..the studies showed that men in a committed relationship have developed certain biological mechanisms through which they are able to go against their natural instincts , they decrease the testosterone levels in their body & the part of brain responsible for seeking out or getting enticed by new women ( no matter how attractive) is slowed down or in some cases completely inactive..

- you see now, how much man has evolved ? 😆
.anonymous sex is sort of considered a masculine quality & for a good reason too..if a woman has let a man sleep with her , there is almost always a chance that she ll end up wanting more from him..
@bold - huh? how are prostitutes working then? 😕 ...I think women are restrictied because there are chances of her being "mis-used"(drugged, sold, trafficked, mms-ed, photographed, video-taped, STDs, etc etc)

-probably why prostitutes are barely even considered as humans..😕..probably why prostitutes & girls involved in trafficking, though a victim ,are still seen as less of a human..🤔.. i mean, i for one never understood why a girl who has been violated against her will is still looked down upon..i never understood the logic behind it , if a man is raped , he is looked down upon since he is in an emasculated state & people look down upon emasculated men, so there is some (cruel) logic in that (horrible i know , but i guess its changing & hopefully will change for the best)..but a female when violated is simply violated, there is no reason y she should be looked down up (though its true that female victims get more support than male victims for this reason only)..& even women who are prostitutes by their own free will arent exactly seen in a good light, are they ?..everybody says it is bcoz of the stigma attached to this profession, but how did this stigma happen in the first place ?.. whats so unacceptable about a woman selling sex by using her body ?..i believe this is the reason , its probably bcoz they go against their basic instincts to such an extreme that they could barely qualify as humans in the society..🤔
BTW, men who're like that too are looked at in bad light in today's society...although, yes. with women the issue is on a different wavelength altogether.

-yes.. society is changing for sure but our primeval tendencies still marks its presence in some or the other way..may be someday these tendencies will completely disappear through evolution..whether this change is good or bad - cant say as of now - it could be anything -but lets be optimistic 😊
Modern society - so your saying it has been doing the right thing, for the sustenance of the man?

- No..not what i meant.. i meant modern society is different & can sometimes go against nature, sometimes it favors men by eliminating the extreme competitions that used to take place in primeval times but it may not be how nature intended it to be..i have always maintained that i dont think arranged marriages are in favor of mother nature..my example of a gay man in a heterosexual union or fathering a child was meant for illustrating that..modern society does have a strong potential to go against the law of nature..

But gay man isnt satisfying his needs, what about that?

- Yeah & our society forces them to be in an unhappy relationship..if these men were left alone to follow their instincts, they would have ended up in a place & situation which mother nature intended for them..but again this perception too is changing in favor of the mother nature..however, gay people being biological parents may not be something that mother nature intended for them ( it sounds harsh but its just my perception).. there are several instances wherein it has been observed that a gay couple in animal species will adopt a young one & raise them as their own..and may be that is what mother nature intended for these people..instead of procreating urself through artificial means try to support the already stranded children..that way mother nature has a role for everybody ..but ofcourse, these are just my thoughts & opinions..😊



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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Summer3

Dear Angel, I hope and pray your health recovers fully. It can be pretty terrible having to put up with a weak constitution but I believe in time all obstacles can be overcome.


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Posted: 10 years ago
#93

Originally posted by: Quixotic5

Yeah & our society forces them to be in an unhappy relationship..if these men were left alone to follow their instincts, they would have ended up in a place & situation which mother nature intended for them..but again this perception too is changing in favor of the mother nature..however, gay people being biological parents may not be something that mother nature intended for them ( it sounds harsh but its just my perception).. there are several instances wherein it has been observed that a gay couple in animal species will adopt a young one & raise them as their own..and may be that is what mother nature intended for these people..instead of procreating urself through artificial means try to support the already stranded children..that way mother nature has a role for everybody ..but ofcourse, these are just my thoughts & opinions..😊

😆 That could solve problems for quite a lot of people. Some would be free to sow their wild oats and women too would be free of the chores of child rearing. Those who cannot or do not want to bear children themselves can instead look after them. A win win situation for all 😆
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Edited by Angel-likeDevil - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Angel, my perception of law of nature is "Survival of the fittest" in its primeval form - men compete ,women choose only the best & only the best genes are passed on the next generation - and to achieve this men were required to be certain way & women were required to be certain way , which more or less confirms the gender stereotypes.. ..so given a choice i would definitely choose my modern human sentiments governed by my perception of humanity over my perception of law of nature..😊..consequences of such choices in the long run for the human species gaye bhad mein !..😛..i ll do, promote & standby what appeals to my perception of whats right & whats wrong in modern times (which is mostly if not always dictated by my religion - Hinduism )..😊
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Angel-likeDevil


Akash, more than anything, I think law of nature is always one, and it keeps changing with time,


Intriguing..its true actually..but then wouldn't you call it evolution ?.. so that way its not just our species (and other species too , for that matters ) which is evolving , but mother nature too is evolving with us..🤔..yes, makes sense..however, I have always had a feeling that may be its just us who is racing towards evolution , mother nature might not have the same rate of evolution as us..😆..i feel that in our own human way , we are putting way too much pressure on mother nature & when she has had it until her threshold of tolerance she might just take the matters into her hands & teach us a lesson for being such an inconsiderate insufferable know-it-all..😆..so in that aspect , i feel we are different from other current species, other species adapt according to changing environment & we too do that ,but the difference is ,i think we might be forcing mother nature to adapt according to us way too much..so in our case, its more like the other way round..😆..but then again it seems like out of all the species alive on earth , only humans seem to be capable of thinking of other's welfare , realizing its own mistake & taking the required measures accordingly(you know ,like we do understand the imbalance that we are creating in nature, so we do try to make up for it through various means - spreading awareness,implementation of man-made rules for protecting mother nature from further harm )..so that i think is the reason y mother nature let our species rule the world..its not bcoz we are evil , its bcoz we are capable of many many things & therefore deserved to be in this position..i think its similar to what u said about counter-forces being active to restore the balance..hmm,what kind of game is mother nature playing here ?..🤔..how long will she let us be in control to this extent ?..may be as long as we dont cross her threshold of tolerance 🤔 😈

am i confusing you again ?..😕 if not i am certainly putting you to sleep with my random thoughts..🥱 ..its just that my views in this matter seems to be very complex & i am not sure if i should be imposing it others..☢️ ..its best if it stays in my complex head.. 🤣





Originally posted by: Angel-likeDevil


Quixotic, sometimes I get the feeling that some percent of the assault/harassment(of all/any kind) faced by women can be cut down if men werent asked to be 'men'.

One can court his wife post marriage too 😳



I guess when balance is disturbed due to forces, there will counter-forces to retain the balance...i agree :)



I second all of it !..


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Posted: 10 years ago
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sorry for the slightly late reply to this 😛 reallly.

Originally posted by: Quixotic5

Angel, my perception of law of nature is "Survival of the fittest" in its primeval form - men compete ,women choose only the best & only the best genes are passed on the next generation - and to achieve this men were required to be certain way & women were required to be certain way , which more or less confirms the gender stereotypes.. ..so given a choice i would definitely choose my modern human sentiments governed by my perception of humanity over my perception of law of nature..😊..consequences of such choices in the long run for the human species gaye bhad mein !..Tongue..i ll do, promote & standby what appeals to my perception of whats right & whats wrong in modern times (which is mostly if not always dictated by my religion - Hinduism )..😊

Please elaborate! My mom is the same.
You should read social sciences - sociology/anthropology, it'll be nice for people like you especially :)
@red --- I have a different opinion, and writing it down would take a long time for me to type/you to read. To sum it up, I believe females are naturally subservient, receptive, calm, modest blah blah blah originally, but the society... the 'civilization' took her for granted and the stereotyping was thrust into her even when she didnt put up with it(she was basically the stereotype, but due to other factors that made her say no)... Same with men. Watch a woman in love(with her baby/man/family/career/life/anything) - she submits herself to it. I cant explain, but I believe in this.
I believe in stereotypes, when they happen naturally... for it all to happen naturally, conditions have to aid the man/woman. But going away from steoreotypes shouldnt be looked down upon AT ALL. Steoreotyping applies for a few general characteristics, human is much more complex than that.
And, NOO, whatever happens the human race will as an entity do things in conformity with laws of nature, one way or another... 😆 One can never escape from the basic nature :)
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Quixotic5

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Angel-likeDevil

sorry for the slightly late reply to this 😛 reallly.
Please elaborate! My mom is the same.
You should read social sciences - sociology/anthropology, it'll be nice for people like you especially :)
@red --- I have a different opinion, and writing it down would take a long time for me to type/you to read. To sum it up, I believe females are naturally subservient, receptive, calm, modest blah blah blah originally, but the society... the 'civilization' took her for granted and the stereotyping was thrust into her even when she didnt put up with it(she was basically the stereotype, but due to other factors that made her say no)... Same with men. Watch a woman in love(with her baby/man/family/career/life/anything) - she submits herself to it. I cant explain, but I believe in this.
I believe in stereotypes, when they happen naturally... for it all to happen naturally, conditions have to aid the man/woman. But going away from steoreotypes shouldnt be looked down upon AT ALL. Steoreotyping applies for a few general characteristics, human is much more complex than that.
And, NOO, whatever happens the human race will as an entity do things in conformity with laws of nature, one way or another... 😆 One can never escape from the basic nature :)


Well nothing much to elaborate , except that my religion has always been a HUGE factor in shaping up the way i see the world or want to see the world.. I lean more towards Shaktism & then Shaivism , not a fan of Vaishnavism..I feel Shaktism-Shaivism represents an ideal state of being as opposed to Vaishnavism which i always found to be a little bit misogynistic, though if one looks deeper in this sect of Hinduism even that can be discarded as a false impression...that being said,still i feel more comfortable with Shaktism-Shaivism bcoz for me Shaktism-Shaivism truly symbolizes "Equalism" ..besides, no matter who we worship , we are ultimately worshiping the one supreme being who is formless, gender-less,omnipotent & omnipresent..

About stereotypes, I completely agree !.. in fact this is what i have been asking all along , what if women want to be women & not men ?..cant u leave them alone & respect them for who they are ?..my problem with stereotypes is that it is often used to look down upon someone..may be thats something that we should be working on..stereotypes dont mature out of thin air , they often have a logic behind their origin..the logic it seems has become offensive to most people ..and may be thats something that people need to work on..its ironic how certain 'movements' designed to end such stereotypes often end up cannibalizing its own cause by asking people to refrain from being who they are and in effect confirming & standing by the negativity surrounding such stereotypes..wonder what it would take people to have a neutral approach towards such things ?..i wonder what it would take for people to believe in Equalism ? 😆

Another problem with stereotypes is that sometimes it is even seen as bad thing if someone fails to fit into the stereotypes , for example, men should be men & women should be women..its not possible for everybody to fit into such stereotypes..people are diverse & varied..though majority can easily make themselves at home with such stereotypes , many people inherently lack this ability to fit into such boxes..so in that sense too stereotypes are harmful..i mean its fine that it works for the majority of us but what about the minority ?..and thats when i feel like a 'neutral' approach is whats required , which yet again takes us back to 'Equalism'..😆

Angel, i think i am back to discussing something that i dont want to..so its best if i wrap it up..i felt compelled to reply since u asked me to elaborate, otherwise i was done with this place..

@ Blue : i will certainly consider it ..apparently, i have been told that i lack the ability to distinguish between 'social science & natural science' so it might do me some good if I follow this advice..😃
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Posted: 10 years ago

Originally posted by: Quixotic5

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Well nothing much to elaborate , except that my religion has always been a HUGE factor in shaping up the way i see the world or want to see the world.. I lean more towards Shaktism & then Shaivism , not a fan of Vaishnavism..I feel Shaktism-Shaivism represents an ideal state of being as opposed to Vaishnavism which i always found to be a little bit misogynistic, though if one looks deeper in this sect of Hinduism even that can be discarded as a false impression...that being said,still i feel more comfortable with Shaktism-Shaivism bcoz for me Shaktism-Shaivism truly symbolizes "Equalism" ..besides, no matter who we worship , we are ultimately worshiping the one supreme being who is formless, gender-less,omnipotent & omnipresent..
acha... IDK much about the two, but my mother is a big Shiva-Parvati bhakti..

About stereotypes, I completely agree !.. in fact this is what i have been asking all along , what if women want to be women & not men ?..cant u leave them alone & respect them for who they are ?..my problem with stereotypes is that it is often used to look down upon someone..may be thats something that we should be working on..stereotypes dont mature out of thin air , they often have a logic behind their origin..the logic it seems has become offensive to most people ..and may be thats something that people need to work on..its ironic how certain 'movements' designed to end such stereotypes often end up cannibalizing its own cause by asking people to refrain from being who they are and in effect confirming & standing by the negativity surrounding such stereotypes..wonder what it would take people to have a neutral approach towards such things ?..i wonder what it would take for people to believe in Equalism ? 😆
IDK... life goes on 😆

Another problem with stereotypes is that sometimes it is even seen as bad thing if someone fails to fit into the stereotypes , for example, men should be men & women should be women..its not possible for everybody to fit into such stereotypes..people are diverse & varied..though majority can easily make themselves at home with such stereotypes , many people inherently lack this ability to fit into such boxes..so in that sense too stereotypes are harmful..i mean its fine that it works for the majority of us but what about the minority ?..and thats when i feel like a 'neutral' approach is whats required , which yet again takes us back to 'Equalism'..😆
@bold --- nothing more to add, perfect 👏
Actually, a human has both yin and yang in him(both acquired from parents). Stereotypical characteristics manifest in his social life... okay, this is confusing 😆
Angel, i think i am back to discussing something that i dont want to..so its best if i wrap it up..i felt compelled to reply since u asked me to elaborate, otherwise i was done with this place..
okay :):)

@ Blue : i will certainly consider it ..apparently, i have been told that i lack the ability to distinguish between 'social science & natural science' so it might do me some good if I follow this advice..😃
social science is the interaction of all the sciences if you ask me!! ❤️ in a broader perspective though.

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