Ragging , in what world is it acceptable ?

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Posted: 10 years ago
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We all have heard some pretty awful things about ragging & as far as i am concerned "ragging" is an out n out negative concept which shouldn't be tolerated in any form , however , i was quite taken aback to know that a lot of people still support ( may be thats a strong word ) or are OK with ragging being a part of the college culture..some people are of the opinion that ragging facilitates social bonding between seniors & juniors 🤢.. they feel that minor form of ragging is similar to an elder sibling bulling/troubling his/her younger sibling 🤢 ..which in effect forms a strong/special/unique bond between seniors & juniors.. i got to say that it provided me a completely different perspective of this otherwise awfully brutal concept , ragging..during my welcome party in college as a fresher i was quite puzzled how the faculty was supportive of seniors asking the juniors to come and introduce themselves & make fun of them in the process by making some sort of funny(insulting) remark or asking them (demanding) to sing a song , dance etc..from the looks of it , it seemed like the college faculty were having fun time while monitoring that seniors dont completely cross their limits..it seemed like as long as ragging is within its limits , its perfectly harmless & quite good actually..i will never understand this 😕.. as far as i am concerned , ragging in any form is completely unacceptable.. and its weird to compare seniors & freshers with siblings bonding..especially since the seniors & freshers dont know each other , so a more appropriate ice breaker would be a proper civil introduction- or is that option too "pretentious" or too "formal" that stands in the way of "genuine bonding"?.. as far as i am concerned , ragging/bullying is akin to rape mentality & unacceptable in any form - major or even minor !!.. your thoughts ?

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Ragging is a traditional rite of passage in many institutions. In the United States the process is called hazing. It has also come under similar fire for bullying and abuse.

There is a fine line between fun and bullying. Light hearted harmless pranks are acceptable. One of my classmates dressed up in a saree and pretended to be a sociology professor for the junior batch. We conspired with the sociology teacher to let her take the first class. She was very strict and gave them tons of homework. We all had a good laugh at their gullibility. No one was really personally harmed. I think demanding a small song and dance routine or a mild dare like eating hot chilli peppers is acceptable.

I think the rules should be

- No one should be forced to do anything they are not comfortable doing. Think of something else if someone doesn't like the task.

- There should be no personal remarks, insults or any bullying behavior

- Absolutely nothing personal or sexual like stripping, trying to pickup someone etc

- Absolutely nothing dangerous or risky that could harm someone like stunts, alcohol consumption, drugs etc

- The goal should be fun everyone involved can laugh at in the future, not to assert dominance over anyone

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Completely agree with you. There are better ways to break the ice between seniors & juniors. Ragging is not acceptable!


Sometimes it's just about "singing a song" & sometimes juniors are beaten, stripped off their clothes etc.


I got to know about this hindi movie called 'Hostel' where the seniors force juniors to strip, ask them to bark like a dog, lick senior's feet, do drugs, have sex with prostitute & even gang-rape a male student


Even in real life, ragging in hostels is worse. They'll enter your room anytime & ask you to do things, won't even let you study or just beat you up. Remember Aman Kachroo case?


By the grace of god I never faced such horrible things. I was just asked to sing a song & I was really besura. 😆


I agree with return_to_hades that harmless pranks or jokes are acceptable but as soon as they force you to do things which no one is comfortable with, it's just not acceptable.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Ragging is a traditional rite of passage in many institutions. In the United States the process is called hazing. It has also come under similar fire for bullying and abuse.

There is a fine line between fun and bullying. Light hearted harmless pranks are acceptable. One of my classmates dressed up in a saree and pretended to be a sociology professor for the junior batch. We conspired with the sociology teacher to let her take the first class. She was very strict and gave them tons of homework. We all had a good laugh at their gullibility. No one was really personally harmed. I think demanding a small song and dance routine or a mild dare like eating hot chilli peppers is acceptable.

I think the rules should be

- No one should be forced to do anything they are not comfortable doing. Think of something else if someone doesn't like the task.

- There should be no personal remarks, insults or any bullying behavior

- Absolutely nothing personal or sexual like stripping, trying to pickup someone etc

- Absolutely nothing dangerous or risky that could harm someone like stunts, alcohol consumption, drugs etc

- The goal should be fun everyone involved can laugh at in the future, not to assert dominance over anyone


Well i never faced any harsh ragging but yeah i was almost on the verge of facing it..i didnt mind the minor playful stuff at the welcome party.. but few seniors were intent on having fun after the welcome party..i was asked to button up my shirt & show some respect to the seniors..i straightaway refused to do it..things got a little rough..the matter went to the principal & it was laid to rest..nothing happened after that..😊

However, i just fail to see why this "traditional rite of passage" should be entertained at all..😕..viewing ragging as a harmless & fun way of ice breaking is something that i ll never understand..i mean what motivates people to "have fun" at others expense combined with such an evil intent is something i ll never understand..i agree that ragging when done in a playful manner doesnt harm anyone & such type of ragging always fall under the points/rules highlighted by you except the part highlighted in bold .. i think all forms of ragging/hazing/bullying (whether major or minor) have one basic theme - "asserting dominance ", showing people "who is the boss/senior " .. & i find that unacceptable..it was heartbreaking for me to see my friends turn into such aggressive beasts when we turned seniors..it was like, all of a sudden i was wondering " who the hell are these people?..i dont think i know them ".. & i was surprised that my friends were surprised that i wasnt going to rag anyone, for some reason they felt like i ll be in the forefront ..🤔

But looks like most people feel ragging is perfectly acceptable & actually quite good when done in a playful manner..puzzling, very puzzling indeed.. i admit i am quite fond of practical jokes 😃 😈..and the points/rules highlighted in above quoted post are the things that i take care of while playing a prank.. however, i m definitely not ok with practical jokes used for the purpose of 'ragging'... For me, its the whole context of 'ragging' that makes all the difference..bcoz i feel that ragging as such has an inherent evil touch to it , so much so that it is enough make something like harmless playful practical jokes seem evil.. i wish "ragging" was completely eliminated from every culture..there are better ways to break the ice , get to know people & socialize without imposing the risk of completely eliminating the 'fun' element from people's lives..
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Posted: 10 years ago
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IDK why anyone would want to bother or be bothered by anyone else, in such ways especially.. And today's "youngsters"(my peers) make me cringe just with their manner of walking, talking, expressing, content of their talk, etc.. shallowness written all over them, and the pretention of being this/that... Strange planet Earth has become. I should've been born a 100 years ago.
Anyways, I have nothing so say about ragging. Gladly, I'm out of college and never witnessed what it's like, though I keep reading stories on the daily. The government / college authorities can't do much, it's hard to take preventive measures. It's a sensitive complex issue, (broadly speaking) -
- Teens gang up(hang out) in places other than the premises of the college - difficult to keep a vigil.
- OK, one may guard them in the premises, what about cyber-bullying, cyber-crimes, etc?
- Authorities cannot take extreme measures for ragging, unless it involves suicide, MMS, murder, or something BIG like that. This way, many youngsters that are harassed emotionally can never really come to the fore.
- Taking punitive measures like suspension for 3 months/6months/1yr/2 years or complete expulsion from college etc. wouldnt be a viable solution as one's career would get disrupted, and personally, I believe a career is essential in anyone's life, career cannot be compromised for mistakes done in due sillyness.
- And in cases of emotional harassment, one cannot provide proof to the administration.
- Counselling(for the senior bully) is a great idea, but, not many are positive about it, if people were positive enough to be receptive of what counsellor's telling them, they wouldnt engage in things like that...and I think there's a shortage of counsellors/psychiatrists as well..
Indian students are bizarre.. super annoying, atleast for me. Dont know in what world I was blind untill my first year in college.
Edited by Angel-likeDevil - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Angel-likeDevil

IDK why anyone would want to bother or be bothered by anyone else, in such ways especially.. And today's "youngsters"(my peers) make me cringe just with their manner of walking, talking, expressing, content of their talk, etc.. shallowness written all over them, and the pretention of being this/that... Strange planet Earth has become. I should've been born a 100 years ago. ...This is how i feel most of the times...😔

Anyways, I have nothing so say about ragging. Gladly, I'm out of college and never witnessed what it's like, though I keep reading stories on the daily. The government / college authorities can't do much, it's hard to take preventive measures. It's a sensitive complex issue, (broadly speaking) -
- Teens gang up(hang out) in places other than the premises of the college - difficult to keep a vigil. ... I dont think its possible to monitor or virtually be with every fresher or even seniors all the time..the best way is ofcourse installing cctv camera wherever possible in college & hostel premises.. thats that.. but what would prove effective is taking appropriate measures to ensure that everybody is well aware of places to go for help, rules & regulations & the consequences of such an event..more importantly proper implementation of the said measures is required..
- OK, one may guard them in the premises, what about cyber-bullying, cyber-crimes, etc? ...there are cyber laws .. proper counselling for the victim & identifying & punishing the culprit is required.. identifying the culprit might be tricky sometimes , near impossible but not impossible.. most importantly students should be kept well-informed regarding where to go for help & should be assured of the confidentiality of the matter & the ways that it will be dealt with..
- Authorities cannot take extreme measures for ragging, unless it involves suicide, MMS, murder, or something BIG like that. This way, many youngsters that are harassed emotionally can never really come to the fore. ...I dont think so..if the rules & regulations are implemented properly , students facing any sort of trauma ( even minor ones ) can seek help ..
- Taking punitive measures like suspension for 3 months/6months/1yr/2 years or complete expulsion from college etc. wouldnt be a viable solution as one's career would get disrupted, and personally, I believe a career is essential in anyone's life, career cannot be compromised for mistakes done in due sillyness. ..i think such punishments will take the seriousness of the crime into consideration b4 arriving at proper conclusion..and if the culprit qualifies for such punishments then why not ?..the culprit deserves it..
- And in cases of emotional harassment, one cannot provide proof to the administration. ..this is a tricky business again but once again its not impossible..
- Counselling(for the senior bully) is a great idea, but, not many are positive about it, if people were positive enough to be receptive of what counsellor's telling them, they wouldnt engage in things like that ...I beg to differ, even dangerous convicts are provided help this way , add to that , the possible severe consequences of such actions & most will think twice..& those who still go ahead with such activities should be punished appropriately & thus setting an example for other seniors..
...and I think there's a shortage of counsellors/psychiatrists as well.. ..Yes...
Indian students are bizarre.. super annoying, atleast for me. Dont know in what world I was blind untill my first year in college.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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It is possible to have fun with freshers without having to bully/rag them. It is possible for the seniors and juniors to get friendly without ragging or bullying. So why do people resort to ragging? Could it be that it gives them a perverse pleasure to dominate someone?
The worst form of ragging is seen in the hostels. The juniors are often forced to smoke, drink, hand over money, do the senior's homework, beaten up and worse. The mental trauma can be too much to bear and there have been many cases of suicide. At times the ragging is done out of prejudices and discrimination towards students of a particular region or caste. The college authorities would find it impossible to monitor the "good" from bad forms of ragging. Some have not been able to prevent it inspite of the total ban on ragging. The college administration must be made accountable when it fails to prevent a banned activity in its premises.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I just noticed that there is another topic made on the same subject - Ragging - good or bad?

Edited by Quixotic5 - 10 years ago
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Quixotic5


I just noticed that there is another topic made on the same subject - Ragging - good or bad?

Yes topics get repeated all the time.
Since the menace continues a new thread is justified.😛
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Posted: 10 years ago
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The problem lies not only with the student body, but with the professors. When there are no consequences for ragging in college, why would students stop? I give more responsibility to the college authorities who allow this type of bullying and mental/physical trauma in the name of "fun". In fact, students who often complain about ragging are given punishments by the professors. 🤢

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