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Posted: 11 years ago
#41
If this the game you like playing, let's indulge you for a while longer.

Let me refresh your memory. In the not so distant past, you posted this:

Originally posted by: Quixotic5


@ Souro

On the contrary, it is CRYSTAL CLEAR that Sai Baba being a "Muslim" is a major contributing factor to this fiasco...

For your reference I am quoting few lines from TOI article :

"The Shankaracharya, known to be a Congress backer, also took a dig at BJP leader, Union minister Uma Bharti, saying he thought a devotee of Lord Ram had become a Union minister and a Ram temple in Ayodhya would soon be a reality, but she turned out to be the "worshiper of a Muslim" " meaning Sai Baba."

Link to the TOI article :



Shankaracharya has put Hinduism's reputation at stake !..this was highly unexpected from a Hindu religious guru...😔

Look at the italicised words that I posted. That is one statement of Shankaracharya, based on which I said that he has clearly stated his reason for objection to be the non-authorisation by the Vedas and the shastras, and not Sai Baba's Muslim identity. To which you posted the second statement of Shankaracharya, to say that from the second statement it is 'crystal clear' to you that the objection is due to Sai Baba's Muslim identity.

Therefore, you used the second statement to override the first statement. I'm using the first statement to override the second statement. Both of us are doing the same thing but with exactly opposite intention. Yet, you feel you should be allowed to do that but I should not be allowed to do the same. That's quite hypocritical.

And now, you accept that both statements have the same subject, speaker and context, but yet you believe that I am not allowed to use the two statements together. Lol, that's quite rich. Change the rules, shift the goal posts according to your whims and fancies, whenever the opposition tries to prove a point. And then throw a tantrum that I don't want to play this way. You are quite amusing. 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: _Angie_

@ the statement regarding not worshiping Gods who were not mentioned in the Vedas:


The basic premise itself is wrong. He said Vedas and shastras, not just Vedas.
Ramayana and Mahabharata are considered as shastra by many Hindus, so he has not contradicted himself.
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Posted: 11 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: souro

If this the game you like playing, let's indulge you for a while longer.

Let me refresh your memory. In the not so distant past, you posted this:
Look at the italicised words that I posted. That is one statement of Shankaracharya, based on which I said that he has clearly stated his reason for objection to be the non-authorisation by the Vedas and the shastras, and not Sai Baba's Muslim identity. To which you posted the second statement of Shankaracharya, to say that from the second statement it is 'crystal clear' to you that the objection is due to Sai Baba's Muslim identity.

Therefore, you used the second statement to override the first statement. I'm using the first statement to override the second statement. Both of us are doing the same thing but with exactly opposite intention. Yet, you feel you should be allowed to do that but I should not be allowed to do the same. That's quite hypocritical.

And now, you accept that both statements have the same subject, speaker and context, but yet you believe that I am not allowed to use the two statements together. Lol, that's quite rich. Change the rules, shift the goal posts according to your whims and fancies, whenever the opposition tries to prove a point. And then throw a tantrum that I don't want to play this way. You are quite amusing. 😆


Funny that as a DT you crossed your limits by taking the offensive stand & call me a troll & yet here u r goin on & on without even reading the post on which you based such an ABSURD observation...

I have lost the count of how many times I suggested it to you, but here it is again - RE-Read The Post !!..

I am talking about the post where you feel like I tried to override the second statement of Shankaracharya with his first statement..the post where you feel that i made it "crystal clear" that Sai Baba's Muslim Identity is the only reason for this fiasco when it was not..

The post clearly states that Sai Baba's Muslim Identity was a 'Major "CONTRIBUTING" Factor"...and dont blame me if u arent in capacity to distinguish between a "Major Contributing Factor" & "The Only Reason"..thats your fault not mine..

My arguments later on were purely a counter argument to ur stand that his first statement is irrelevant because of his second statement.. I was of the opinion that his first statement is just as important as his second statement.. the GIMMICK used by you was purely yours, stop passing it on as mine , its just another desperate attempt to make ur point.. or else it can be attributed to poor lack of observation..i would go by the second, u displayed it on other thread while dealing with me & other member as a DT..u completely turned a blind eye to the other member's offensive stand / provocations/ instigation & branded me a "troll"...
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: Quixotic5


Funny that as a DT you crossed your limits by taking the offensive stand & call me a troll & yet here u r goin on & on without even reading the post on which you based such an ABSURD observation...

You yourself admitted to your trollish activity. I merely pointed out that such activity is called trolling. Why blame me? 😆
Why do you always assume that I haven't read the post? Is that some kind of standard line that you incorporate in your posts? 🤔

I have lost the count of how many times I suggested it to you, but here it is again - RE-Read The Post !!..

Lol, there you go again. 😆

I am talking about the post where you feel like I tried to override the second statement of Shankaracharya with his first statement..the post where you feel that i made it "crystal clear" that Sai Baba's Muslim Identity is the only reason for this fiasco when it was not..

The post clearly states that Sai Baba's Muslim Identity was a 'Major "CONTRIBUTING" Factor"...and dont blame me if u arent in capacity to distinguish between a "Major Contributing Factor" & "The Only Reason"..thats your fault not mine..

First of all, the post didn't clearly state that Sai Baba's Muslim identity was a 'Major "Contributing" Factor'. You just mentioned the word 'Crystal Clear' as if that in itself proves something. 😆 It would have been crystal clear, had you managed to post a quote of Shankaracharya where he claims that his objection stems from the Muslim identity of Sai Baba. Didn't see that yet from you. 😉
Secondly, the debate was not about the difference between "Major Contributing Factor" & "The Only Reason". Lol, the shifting of goal posts continues. 😆

My arguments later on were purely a counter argument to ur stand that his first statement is irrelevant because of his second statement.. I was of the opinion that his first statement is just as important as his second statement.. the GIMMICK used by you was purely yours, stop passing it on as mine ,

You call it gimmick, I prefer to call it reasoning. 😛
And sir, if you refer to the post that I cited previously, it's quite clear that you were the first one to use one statement to counter the other. I had merely posted one statement. How can I counter one statement with another when I didn't even have 2 statements to begin with. 1 + 0 = 1. You on the other hand had one statement posted by me and another statement that you posted to counter my statement. 1 + 1 = 2. Understood? Phew.
And then I only used the same 2 statements used by you and showed a different point of view. And as admitted by you, those 2 statements have the same subject, speaker and context, and therefore can be logically used together to prove a point.

its just another desperate attempt to make ur point.. or else it can be attributed to poor lack of observation..

And again. You're beginning to bore me with the same accusation that I haven't read the post.

i would go by the second, u displayed it on other thread while dealing with me & other member as a DT..u completely turned a blind eye to the other member's offensive stand / provocations/ instigation & branded me a "troll"...

I didn't brand you a troll, I only did the honours of naming the activity that you described yourself indulging in. Big difference.

Edited by souro - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#45
Edited by Quixotic5 - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
#46
whooahh 😲 its getting impossible to know who siad what, who quoted whom and meant what
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Posted: 11 years ago
#47

Originally posted by: zorrro

whooahh 😲 its getting impossible to know who siad what, who quoted whom and meant what


I know...😆 😆
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Posted: 11 years ago
#48
who started it all----- I think I would blame the Shankaracharya 😆
Whose karma would it be---🤔 😕


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Posted: 11 years ago
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Yes, yes, to you it seems everyone else is ignorant and has not read the posts and articles before commenting. But then it seems to you, and I'm not bothered about what 'seems' to you but what you can prove. Prove that the objection is because of Sai Baba's Muslim identity, like you claimed. That's all I'm interested in. If you can, good. If you can't, stop bringing in lots of other unrelated issues to side track the argument and hoping that I will forget about the main issue here.
Edited by souro - 11 years ago
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Posted: 11 years ago
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Originally posted by: souro


Yes, yes, to you it seems everyone else is ignorant and has not read the posts and articles before commenting. But then it seems to you, and I'm not bothered about what 'seems' to you but what you can prove. Prove that the objection is because of Sai Baba's Muslim identity, like you claimed. That's all I'm interested in. If you can, good. If you can't, stop bringing in lots of other unrelated issues to side track the argument and hoping that I will forget about the main issue here.


I KNEW IT !... This was so so expected !.. when i backed my argument with evidences , u have now resorted to saying that nothing has been supported with evidences & are now back to the starting point ( which i no doubt appreciate bcoz frankly i too am fed up with going around in the circle).. however, i do not appreciate the way u did it.. the reason that u stated is that , it only "seems' to me that my argument is valid which in turn made me out to be some sort of delusional freak..on the contrary, each of my argument was backed with a supporting evidence..

Ok now since we are back to the starting point , let me refresh the original argument AGAIN :

My argument is that the reason for The Shankaracharyas to denounce Hindus who worship Sai Baba is two fold - one, Sai Baba was a Muslim & two, Sai Baba is not included in Hindu Vedas & Shastras..& such a claim is unacceptable & an utter disgrace to Hinduism itself..

Your argument is/was/may be (I ll leave that u to decide) that the reason for The Shankaracharyas to denounce Hindus who worship Sai Baba is only the fact that Sai Baba is not included in Hindu Vedas & Shastras.. the fact that he is a Muslim is irrelevant according to you..and the Muslim identity used as one of the reasons is a baseless claim..and that Shankaracharya is well within his right & doing good to Hinduism by doing such things..right?

Now I have already presented the evidence to highlight the fact that Sai Baba's Muslim identity too is a contributing factor.. u presented a counter argument in which you connected it with his second statement to override his "Muslim" remarks.. to which I too have presented a counter argument explaining that they are two different statements & one cannot be used to overshadow other statement as both are equally contributing factors towards the Shankaracharyas intention in this matter..

As for Sai Baba not being included in Vedas & Shastras claim , there too i had presented a counter argument..let me know if u want me to quote it AGAIN to bring it to ur notice..

So in short , I have already presented a counter argument to his statement one & statement two..now over to you..i am very much looking forward to ur views on my counter arguments..
Edited by Quixotic5 - 11 years ago

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