Improper upbringing responsible for the development of a Rapist-mind? - Page 5

Risk Factors for Perpetration

Individual Risk Factors

Relationship Factors

• Association with sexually aggressive and delinquent peers Not related to upbrining
• Family environment characterized by physical violence and few resources same as above
• Strong patriarchal relationship or familial environment Yes
• Emotionally unsupportive familial environment Yes
  

Community Factors

• Lack of employment opportunities Not related to upbrining
• Lack of institutional support from police and judicial system Not related to upbrining
• General tolerance of sexual violence within the community Not related to upbrining
• Weak community sanctions against sexual violence perpetrators Not related to upbrining
  

Societal Factors

• Poverty Not related to upbrining
• Societal norms that support sexual violence Not related to upbrining
• Societal norms that support male superiority and sexual entitlement Not related to upbrining
• Societal norms that maintain women's inferiority and sexual submissiveness Not related to upbrining
• Weak laws and policies related to gender equity Not related to upbrining
• High tolerance levels of crime and other forms of violence Not related to upbrining

India-Forum Factors

• Your mamma thinks that it is not appropriate for girls to wear short skirts. Super computer has rejected it as unsubstantiated data.

Total factors = 21

Originally posted by: souro

Care to explain a bit more? I am not sure I understood what you were trying to say. Cos as far as I know, nowhere is alcoholism considered as a good culture.

Drinking sometimes is fine, as long as one remains within his/her tolerance limit. But I don't think anyone appreciates excessive drinking and becoming an alcoholic. So obviously, good parenting will include discouraging children from underage alcohol consumption and to make them aware of the negatives of drinking alocohol. Hardly any parent will want their kid to become a drunkard slob, dying of cirrhosis at an young age.

And this is true for anything that can have a negative effect, not just alcohol and not just when it is related to rape. Parents warn their kids about smoking, drugs, rash driving and so many things.

There is absolutely nothing wrong in the consumption of alcohol by itself. The only problem is excessive or binge drinking. It is a slippery slope argument to state that social drinking will lead to excessive or binge drinking. It doesn't follow.

No one has encouraged drinking. Just because someone doesn't condemn drinking doesn't mean one encourages drinking. It is neutral at best. An activity that is neither, encouraged or discouraged but left to an individual's personal discretion. There is also no sane person who actually would condone excessive or binge drinking. Everyone should know their tolerance level and risks of drinking. People should always avoid drinking till it impairs judgment. There should also be one or two designated drivers who also serve as chaperones and prevent escalated problems.

I think the parallels you draw with short skirts and drinking are wrong. However, there still is a different parallel that works. Parents are responsible to talk to their kids about alcohol and how they talk about it makes a difference. Excessive drinking, binge drinking, alcohol related crimes and problems usually arise when people are not educated well enough about responsible alcohol consumption. There are other social and psychological problems like depression that contribute to alcoholism and improper education about alcohol prevents these issues from handled correctly.

Finally even though alcohol is a factor in many crimes there is not a causal relationship. If alcohol was a cause for crime, everyone who got drunk would have propensity to crime. Say a man is taught short skirts are bad. When sober he may just mentally think a girl is loose or titillating him. But when drunk he is more likely to act on the negative thoughts. If a man is taught to respect women. Drinking may make him flirtatious and come on too strong, but he would still be subconsciously aware of boundaries.

There is absolutely nothing wrong in the consumption of alcohol by itself. The only problem is excessive or binge drinking. It is a slippery slope argument to state that social drinking will lead to excessive or binge drinking. It doesn't follow.

No one has encouraged drinking. Just because someone doesn't condemn drinking doesn't mean one encourages drinking. It is neutral at best. An activity that is neither, encouraged or discouraged but left to an individual's personal discretion. There is also no sane person who actually would condone excessive or binge drinking. Everyone should know their tolerance level and risks of drinking. People should always avoid drinking till it impairs judgment. There should also be one or two designated drivers who also serve as chaperones and prevent escalated problems.

@ bold 1- By the same argument a mother s objection to a short skirt by itself cannot be called wrong It is the possible consequences of that action that may or may not lead to other actions that may lead to harm.

@ bold 3- If everyone had the ideal level of awareness of their limits and could stop before they crossed it there would be no violence in the world at all as each would stop before his anger reached boiling point

I think the parallels you draw with short skirts and drinking are wrong. However, there still is a different parallel that works. Parents are responsible to talk to their kids about alcohol and how they talk about it makes a difference. Excessive drinking, binge drinking, alcohol related crimes and problems usually arise when people are not educated well enough about responsible alcohol consumption. There are other social and psychological problems like depression that contribute to alcoholism and improper education about alcohol prevents these issues from handled correctly.

@ bold- That should also hold true for sons whose mothers may dislike short skirts.🤓

Finally even though alcohol is a factor in many crimes there is not a causal relationship. If alcohol was a cause for crime, everyone who got drunk would have propensity to crime. Say a man is taught short skirts are bad. When sober he may just mentally think a girl is loose or titillating him. But when drunk he is more likely to act on the negative thoughts. If a man is taught to respect women. Drinking may make him flirtatious and come on too strong, but he would still be subconsciously aware of boundaries.

By the same argument if a mother's dislike for short skirts was a cause for son turning into a rapist then every boy whose mother disliked short skirts would have turned into a rapist which evidently does not happen.

Teaching men to respect women sounds fine. It would be finer if every person man or woman learns to respect each other. I guess, we could now debate on whether respect needs to be taught or earned --- 🤔

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In response to Zorro's comments

@Bold1 - No one said a mother's objection to short skirts was wrong. How she discusses that issue with her son is key concern here.

@Bold2 - We have reiterated many times - no one said anyone encouraged rape.

@Bold3 - We cannot have an ideal world, but we can strive to educate people to know best.

@Bold - No one denied that. Everyone admits that a certain factor is always nature.

@Final comment - I again reiterate no one said dislike for short skirt causes rape. All we stated is how a mother discusses short skirts may make her children susceptible to rape, sexual assault or s**t shaming.

No one is ludicrous enough to say if mom dislikes short skirts, her son will be a rapist. I don't understand why you and Kanu are missing the point. The point is we have to change the way we impart conservative values. We have to complement it with respect for women and understanding that women have freedom and choose to live life differently.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

No one is ludicrous enough to say if mom dislikes short skirts, her son will be a rapist. I don't understand why you and Kanu are missing the point. The point is we have to change the way we impart conservative values. We have to complement it with respect for women and understanding that women have freedom and choose to live life differently.

Ah -thanks for the clarifications. Better late than never. Some of the earlier comments did seem to suggest the ludicrous 😆 Howsoever a mother may discuss the issue of short skirts with her son I feel sure that no mother would instigate her son towards a crime. If he does so it has to be because of his own twisted mind. Discouragement or encouragement of any dress has nothing to do with it otherwise the rate of rapes in countries with a more liberal sense of dressing wouldn't be as high as they are reported to be. Alcohol is a contributing factor not only in the criminal but also in the victim. Why undermine or overlook that!

Some citations may help. Quoting from no less than the executive summary of a whitehouse report 😛

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/sexual_assault_report_1-21-14.pdf

"Campus Sexual Assault: A Particular Problem. As noted, 1 in 5 women has been sexually assaulted while she's in college. The dynamics of college life appear to fuel the problem, as many victims are abused while they're drunk, under the influence of drugs, passed out, or otherwise incapacitated. Most college victims are assaulted by someone they know - and parties are often the site of these crimes. Notably, campus assailants are often serial offenders: one study found that of the men who admitted to committing rape or attempted rape, some 63% said they committed an average of six rapes each. College sexual assault survivors suffer from high levels of mental health problems (like depression and PTSD) and drug and alcohol abuse. Reporting rates are also particularly low."

Originally posted by: zorrro

Ah -thanks for the clarifications. Better late than never. Some of the earlier comments did seem to suggest the ludicrous 😆

Originally posted by: zorrro

Howsoever a mother may discuss the issue of short skirts with her son I feel sure that no mother would instigate her son towards a crime.

Originally posted by: zorrro

If he does so it has to be because of his own twisted mind. Discouragement or encouragement of any dress has nothing to do with it otherwise the rate of rapes in countries with a more liberal sense of dressing wouldn't be as high as they are reported to be.

Originally posted by: zorrro

Alcohol is a contributing factor not only in the criminal but also in the victim. Why undermine or overlook that!

Some citations may help. Quoting from no less than the executive summary of a whitehouse report 😛

http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/docs/sexual_assault_report_1-21-14.pdf

"Campus Sexual Assault: A Particular Problem. As noted, 1 in 5 women has been sexually assaulted while she's in college. The dynamics of college life appear to fuel the problem, as many victims are abused while they're drunk, under the influence of drugs, passed out, or otherwise incapacitated. Most college victims are assaulted by someone they know - and parties are often the site of these crimes. Notably, campus assailants are often serial offenders: one study found that of the men who admitted to committing rape or attempted rape, some 63% said they committed an average of six rapes each. College sexual assault survivors suffer from high levels of mental health problems (like depression and PTSD) and drug and alcohol abuse. Reporting rates are also particularly low."