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Posted: 11 years ago

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K, I was in USA for a holiday, not to gauge the mood of the people over one of the many issues plaguing America right now, pardon me for drawing conclusions without any scientifc approach.

I talked to people on Subway, normal working people, friends of mine who settled there, their acquaintances, people who have nannies, or put their kids in day care , who work as housekeepers. I did not prepare a questionnare and approach people with statistically distributed sampling questions. Sorry for presenting a layman's view, talking to few layman , in UN Assembly debate.

As for casting aspertions, NO. I said, It is entirely possible maid is not so innocent , the lawyer might have other motive and devyani may or may not be guilty. Aren't you reading too much and putting words into my mouth?

There is no harm in trying to see if there can be any other side to the story.

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Posted: 11 years ago

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Originally posted by: LeadNitrate
K, I was in USA for a holiday, not to gauge the mood of the people over one of the many issues plaguing America right now, pardon me for drawing conclusions without any scientifc approach.
I talked to people on Subway, normal working people, friends of mine who settled there, their acquaintances, people who have nannies, or put their kids in day care , who work as housekeepers. I did not prepare a questionnare and approach people with statistically distributed sampling questions. Sorry for presenting a layman's view, talking to few layman , in UN Assembly debate.

LN, I know you didn't. As someone who took a stand in the debate (against Devyani and for Sangeeta), I am compelled to defend my position and make sure that the listeners are not swayed by opinions, anti-US sentiments, casually conducted interviews and such. At the same time, if we all agree that we need to wait till the trial is over, this debate wouldn't proceed past page one.

So, my endeavor here is to analyze facts for what they are and not get sucked into all the outrage, the sensationalism, the resentment portrayed in the Indian media and verbalized by a few in this thread. Hence the forcefulness of some of my responses.

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Posted: 11 years ago

#203

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

LN, I know you didn't. As someone who took a stand in the debate (against Devyani and for Sangeeta), I am compelled to defend my position and make sure that the listeners are not swayed by opinions, anti-US sentiments, casually conducted interviews and such. At the same time, if we all agree that we need to wait till the trial is over, this debate wouldn't proceed past page one.

So, my endeavor here is to analyze facts for what they are and not get sucked into all the outrage, the sensationalism, the resentment portrayed in the Indian media and verbalized by a few in this thread. Hence the forcefulness of some of my responses.

I agree with this part. Opinions of a couple of people ideally shouldn't be presented in a debate, cos it may or may not be reflective of the opinion of the majority of the population. Also, where there is a chance to get judged by what you say, most of the times people tend to present views that they think will please their audience. So, amongst Indian origin audiences they might nod in support of Devyani, whereas amongst whites they might show their sympathy for the nanny.

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Posted: 11 years ago

#204

Originally posted by: souro

Also, where there is a chance to get judged by what you say, most of the times people tend to present views that they think will please their audience. So, amongst Indian origin audiences they might nod in support of Devyani, whereas amongst whites they might show their sympathy for the nanny.

Ideally, we shouldn't subscribe to this notion unless this too is backed by some type of a social psychology experiment but I think I agree with the underlying theme of conformity assumed here.

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Posted: 11 years ago

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"The US embassy and its consulates might be violating the laws of their country concerning the wages paid to the Indian staff employed by these missions, as well as by individual diplomats, informed sources said on Sunday.

Keeping up the pressure on the US, a special group set up in the external affairs ministry will meet in New Delhi on Monday to scrutinise the available information regarding the wages being paid to Indian staff, amid indications that these may be violative of the laws.

US embassy and its consulates are still dragging their feet in furnishing to the government the details it has sought about the number of Indian staff employed both in the diplomatic mission and also at the residences by their diplomats. The details sought include the wages paid as well as the tax details.

The deadline to provide such information was December 23 but according to the Ministry of External Affairs no information has been provided as yet."

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Posted: 11 years ago

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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- (2009 report) A new State Department report says some local employees hired by U.S. embassies and other posts around the world are so poorly paid they have to cut back to one meal a day or send their children to peddle on the streets.

The report from the department's Office of the Inspector General looked at how the U.S. pays more than 51,000 local, non-American employees in about 170 missions. In addition to the hardship caused to the workers because of inadequate pay, the report found that the U.S. is losing staff to other higher-paying employers and may not be able to fill vacancies with qualified people.

Some U.S. missions are in impoverished parts of the world where low salaries are common, and there is a wide range in pay depending on what jobs are performed and where. But the report sets out a stark picture of the richest country in the world paying some of the lowest salaries.

"Twenty-seven missions presented compelling arguments that their lower-grade employees fall short of minimal living standards," the report said.

"These arguments included accounts of LE [locally employed] staff: removing children from school, cutting back to one meal a day, sending children to sell water or little cakes or toiletries on the streets ... employees depending on salary advances and defaulting on loans in order to cover basic expenses ... [pay]grades 1 to 3 earning less than $1.00 per day."

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Posted: 11 years ago

#207

The indian nanny was much better off than these. 🤓

No one pays people less wages than minimum wages to ensure justice while in Uncle Sam's country but people from Uncle sam are free to pay less outside their own country. It does not constitute injustice once you are out of its hallowed soils- or so it appears!🥱

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Posted: 11 years ago

#208

^^HOW effing dare you. 😡
Don't you know that THE Unca Sammah is the EPIDOME of equality and jusdice all 'ver the vorld? Doncha dare point out any of its misdemeneaours, for they are nought but just small, minscule specks compared to the ocean of inhuman behaviours that is the rest of the world.

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Posted: 11 years ago

#209

Ooops. You mean for this I could even get evicted out of my own country by Bharara or any attorney! 😲 I am scared now Krystal 🤪

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Posted: 11 years ago

#210

Originally posted by: zorrro
The indian nanny was much better off than these. 🤓

No one pays people less wages than minimum wages to ensure justice while in Uncle Sam's country but people from Uncle sam are free to pay less outside their own country. It does not constitute injustice once you are out of its hallowed soils- or so it appears!🥱

Depending upon which school of economics you champion, the news which evoked this particular reaction is either appalling or has no moral implication. For instance, you could view it as a voluntary sale of the laborer's time and effort or you could view it as wage slavery where the laborer has no bargaining power. Further discussions would deviate us from the main topic but suffice it to say, if you really would like to know where I stand in case deliberations on those subjects open up, I would say I support utilitarianism.

Specific to the issue that was raised, US maintains that prevailing local rates were paid. If local laws were broken, they should be absolutely be liable.

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