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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Quixotic5

So then we have heard a lot about teen sex education , may be child sex education too is required to shield them from getting into unwanted situation.. from what I know, child sexuality is almost never discussed..may be this issue too deserves people's attention..bcoz children are looked up as non-sexual entities..& may be that is not the truth..even children especially young boys capable of erection do actively seek out sexual activities & their curiosities too needs to be properly addressed & pacified..

On one hand we admit that we want to shield children from PDA to retain their innocence or because we feel unconfortable in those situations and on the other recommend sex education for children. 😕 Just how do you think that could be done? I have heard about age appropriate sex education but what exactly do we decide what is appropriate for a particular age? There are wide differences depending on personality, social environment and other circumstances. 🤔

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: zorrro

On one hand we admit that we want to shield children from PDA to retain their innocence or because we feel unconfortable in those situations and on the other recommend sex education for children. 😕 Just how do you think that could be done? I have heard about age appropriate sex education but what exactly do we decide what is appropriate for a particular age? There are wide differences depending on personality, social environment and other circumstances. 🤔


@ bold : its apples & oranges..I dont see how these two could be compared..its similar to the argument - if u support LGBT rights, why on earth would u have a problem with mild sexual PDAs ?!..its bcoz these two r completely different issues & embody different contexts & therefore cannot be compared.. my major point of opposition for sexual PDAs was not the discomfort but the possible effects it could have on kids & simply bcoz sexual PDAs are totally unreasonable & imprudent demands & therefore there is no need to put the general population in an uncomfortable position..if humanity demands that public should get out of their comfort zones for the betterment of the society & refurnish its sensibilities then I am all for it otherwise there is no need to put people through all of that for the sake of imprudent & unreasonable demands ...

Coming to the issue in hand -age appropriate sex education among children - yes its a tricky business indeed bcoz not all children are the same so in that it is definitely different from teen sex education.. however, ignoring the differences is not a solution either..people need to discuss & made aware of this situation pertaining to child sexuality..now for starters I think its quite easy for the parents to identify if their male child could be prone to sexual tendencies at a young age..if the little dude is sporting a boner every morning , at that age, it may not stay hidden from parents .. so they would know that their son carries a potential to seek out sexual activities.. but in order for the parents to take it seriously, this issue, this difference among child sexuality must be brought to the attention of the common public..as for female children, I am not sure how to go about it..females would be able to shed a better light on it..but generally speaking , I dont think females are that much curious & excited about seeking sexual activities when compared with boys capable of erections..but the problem here is female children who r in company of male children capable of erections are at bigger risk of doing sexual things under the insistence of the male child..now that too is a worrisome situation.. which again brings us to the starting point - identifying & guiding the male children with higher potential of getting involved in sexual activities..
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Posted: 10 years ago
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According to me, children of or below age 8 should only know how to protect themselves from sexual predators and should know to address their body parts properly rather than using slang words like pee-wee or poopoo,and maintaining proper hygiene.That's age appropriate sex education.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Quixotic5


@ bold : its apples & oranges..I dont see how these two could be compared..its similar to the argument - if u support LGBT rights, why on earth would have a problem with mild sexual PDAs ?!..its bcoz these two r completely different issues & embody different contexts & therefore cannot be compared.. my major point of opposition for sexual PDAs was not the discomfort but the possible effects it could have on kids & simply bcoz sexual PDAs are totally unreasonable & imprudent demands & therefore there is no need to put the general population in an uncomfortable position..if humanity demands that public should get out of their comfort zones for the betterment of the society & refurnish its sensibilities then I am all for it otherwise there is no need to put people through all of that for the sake of imprudent & unreasonable demands ...

Coming to the issue in hand -age appropriate sex education among children - yes its a tricky business indeed bcoz not all children are the same so in that it is definitely different from teen sex education.. however, ignoring the differences is not a solution either..people need to discuss & made aware of this situation pertaining to child sexuality..now for starters I think its quite easy for the parents to identify if their male child could be prone to sexual tendencies at a young age..if the little dude is sporting a boner every morning , at that age, it may not stay hidden from parents .. so they would know that their son carries a potential to seek out sexual activities.. but in order for the parents to take it seriously, this issue, this difference among child sexuality must be brought to the attention of the common public..as for female children, I am not sure how to go about it..females would be able to shed a better light on it..but generally speaking , I dont think females are that much curious & excited about seeking sexual activities when compared with boys capable of erections..but the problem here is female children who r in company of male children capable of erections are at bigger risk of doing sexual things under the insistence of the male child..now that too is a worrisome situation.. which again brings us to the starting point - identifying & guiding the male children with higher potential of getting involved in sexual activities..

OK I get it that while sex education for children could serve a purpose PDA does not.
The age appropriteness is a real tricky one. Children as young as 5-6 yeras are targetted as being gay for holding hands or putting their hand around the shoulders of their friends. These kids do not understand the meaning of gay and ask their parents. How are the parents or even teachers to address that? Its doubtful if those who tease understand the term themselves.
A child getting an erection is a simple physiological phenomenon. I dont think it should indcate potential for seeking out sexual activity. He may be quite ignorant about it. However there are bound to be individual differences. If the parents are observant they would know the how far their child is likely to venture. If they feel that he is the curious and adventurous type then it might be time to educate him--but what exactly can you tell a 8-10 year old child!? Or did you mean older than that Ermm
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: iMini

According to me, children of or below age 8 should only know how to protect themselves from sexual predators and should know to address their body parts properly rather than using slang words like pee-wee or poopoo,and maintaining proper hygiene.That's age appropriate sex education.

There is talk of teaching children a difference between a healthy touch from a non healthy but that isnt easy as well. Time may not be far when people will think twice before hugging or kissing a baby or a toddler.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: zorrro


<div></div>There is talk of teaching children a difference between ahealthy touch from a non healthy but that isnt easy as well. Time may not be far when people will think twice before hugging or kissing a baby or a toddler.

that will be the parents' fault for not teaching their kids that a hug and kiss on cheeks and head is healthy. Common sense.It's just as easy as that and even if telling that is difficult (I have no clue of how conveying that one sentence is difficult) ,taking the pain to elaborate is worth it.
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Posted: 10 years ago
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@ Zorro
Yes individually this tendency does vary , however, I feel that boys who r capable of erection will often seek out or are at least more susceptible to carry on sexual activities.. and I was talking about boys below 12.. for boys above 12 , the sexual tendencies are a given & they can grasp necessary sex education in my opinion.. but problematic areas are dealing with below 10 , below 5 sex-curious kids..they have no idea about sex but certain boys will seek out sexual activities out of their own free will & they may find themselves in troublesome situations as a result..now how to talk sense into these kids ?.. what must we do to protect them..let me start by what we MUST NOT do..

1. Such kids and kids in general are intuitive , and when these kids seek out sexual activities , they do know at some level that they are doing something that they aren't supposed to do, they do often carry this secretive shame , so if u happen to catch these kids in action, NEVER yell at them..this will only cause unnecessary additional shame which could have far reaching consequences on the kid's adult sex life..
2. Do not try to brush the incidence under carpet by saying just dont do it again & u ll understand things when u r older..this classic statement will in my opinion spur on the curiosity in the kid's mind..what is it that I ll understand when I am older ?.. what is it that I can't be told now ?..
Now let's talk about what u could do as an adult..
1. Firstly try to make the kid as comfortable as u can by saying or showing with a kind gesture that there is no need to be ashamed or frightened..
2. Then comes the tricky part, how to pacify his curiosities ?.. what to talk to him?.. first of all tell him that what he feels is perfectly natural..and then tell him it is not good for him to experiment with his body to such an extent at least for the time being..say things like-can u promise that ? ..When u r a grown up like mommy & daddy , u are free to experiment...and should u feel that u need to talk about it again, do not hesitate..

I believe that this should suffice to pacify his curiosities & anxieties for the time being..although I am not entirely sure about this approach.. but it is the best I could come up with..

Dealing with talks of child sex abuse is a different matter altogether. ..
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Posted: 10 years ago
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Originally posted by: Quixotic5

I have no idea what this topic was about..but it looks like it was about male rapes..and I think RTH has pretty much summed up the problem & i agree with everything except the following :


How can 'feminism' be the solution to this problem ?..😲 😲.. your suggested methods to deal with this problem are spot-on but terming it 'feminism' is counterproductive in my opinion..mainly bcoz victims of male rapes fear being stigmatized as weak sissy boys .a.k.a 'feminine' & if u approach them for helping them with something called 'feminism' they will run away bcoz the terminology is in itself messed up as it will off-handedly confirm victim's stereotypical feminine status.. why name it 'feminism' ?.. cant people come up with a gender-neutral term in this case ?.. if u really intend to help the victim here, you wouldnt have a problem with changing the name to something that is gender-neutral...besides, we have already had our share of debates on what feminism actually stands for in another thread "Feminism in India" ,so i am not looking forward to the same debate again.. my point here is , helping a male victim with 'feminism' is not helping..this help should be made independent of 'feminism' & should be based on 'gender-neutrality'.. only such an approach will help male victims to break away from the stereotypes & seek help, otherwise you ll push these victims further away since ur approach though anti-patriarchal , still is emasculating since u ll further strengthen the belief that the victims are sissy as they are taking a refuge under 'feminism'.. moreover, anti-patriarchal approach need not be feminine-inspired or emasculating , it can also be gender-neutral.. approaching a male victim to help with 'feminism' is further emasculinating for the already emasculated male victim..so help the male victim with proper intentions & people can/should save the aggressive marketing of 'feminism' for some other time...



hmmm..I wonder if feminists have an opinion regarding the above quoted.. 🤔
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Posted: 10 years ago
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I didn't wish to engage in a discussion on feminism again, so I refrained posting.

I'll address it as briefly as possible. For centuries patriarchy has held women down. Feminism aims to end patriarchal notions and bring about gender equality in society. A lot of prejudices men face (boys don't cry, don't be a sissy, real men don't get raped) are also due to patriarchal notions. So when feminism erases patriarchal notions it will end prejudices against men as well. Feminism seeks to create a society where concepts of being a sissy or being emasculated cease to exist.

For men and women who have trouble with the word feminism' or feel that feminism is not male friendly at all, I would suggest following TheModernPrimate on YouTube. The channel is run by a man and self-proclaimed feminist. He talks mostly about current affairs and issues. However, during the Steubenville rape case he released a whole bunch of videos on feminism, rape culture etc. Perhaps feminism from the perspective of a male feminist can help ease some apprehensions people have against feminism.

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Posted: 10 years ago
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Sex education can be very tricky and challenging. Children develop differently. Puberty and adolescence are different from person to person. So it can be difficult to decide when and how to approach them with issues and what exactly to discuss.

That being said medical practitioners and sociologists have been working together for decades to address issues about human health and sexuality. There are trained psychologists who know how to talk to teens about sex in a classroom as well as one on one basis. It should be mandatory for schools to have one or more on staff depending on number of students. Pediatricians also know about child development and behaviors. For young children, parents can always consult with their pediatrician. The pediatrician can give good advice on when and how to approach things with little kids. Another good practice is also annual or biannual health exams. These can help identify physical, sexual and even emotional abuse kids may face.

Since sex was a taboo in India, parents often hesitate to ask their schools or doctors about sex education and sexual health of their children. Things are changing slowly. Parents are being more proactive.

Children are aware of their sexual organs. They psychologically don't understand sex, intimacy or pleasure. However, they get an understanding that these body parts look and feel different. They also observe that boys and girls look different in that aspect. They live in an age of curiosity. So it is very natural for kids to touch their organs. They will also play doctor and examine each other's bodies. This is a very innocent and curious activity. It isn't sexual or shameful. Parents who are concerned should consult with a medical professional to learn what is normal and abnormal and how to properly address such behavior. Reprimanding, punishing or shaming childhood curiosity is not always the best way to deal with it.

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