Recitation of Vande Mataram against Islam - Page 15

This isn't off topic, but to explain to the members who are thumping the Quran.Please read this piece of news.
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By C.J. Kurrien

MUMBAI (Reuters) - Hundreds of Muslims and Christians will join a colourful parade to immerse a clay idol of Lord Ganesh off the shores of Mumbai on Wednesday, reasserting communal solidarity in a city rocked by religious violence in the past.
The two Muslims say their musical parade carries a strong message of communal harmony.
"I'm no less a Muslim because I do this, in fact I become a better one. Tolerance is Islam's most important message for me."
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I am sure you will be quick to judge these muslims as bad Muslims who are breaking all rules. After all these Indian Muslims are participating in a Hindu festival !!😲 BUT THESE INDIAN MUSLIMS JUST WANT TO SHOW THEIR SOLIDARITY AND AFFIRM INDIA IS A SECULAR NATION AND ISLAM IS A TOLERANT RELIGON!!
The same applies to singing the National song, its every Muslims way of showing solidarity and their love and respect for the Nation. So before you go judging them and thumping the quran , calling them bad muslims, check your self !!!!! India does not need Separtists !!!!

Originally posted by: bluepink

Even in olden times during Mughal Empire common man used to offer salaam to the rulers which was bowing in front of the badshah. So by your definition the very people who brought Islam to India were mushrik because they encouraged people to bow in front of them.

I think Islam is a peaceful and liberal religion. It is only few fanatics who misconstrue the words in Quran and shove their ignorance on average Muslims.

hmmmm, bowing, and touching feet is more like Indian Culture, or u can say South Asian Culture. in SIndh, Pakistan. it is a norm, to touch the feet of an elder or bow their heads. it is due to respect. not because they worship them.

if u know, that many a times, in Muslim families. fathers or uncles. put hand on daughter's or younger ladies head. just another way of blessing them. we don't touch their feet. but bow our head a little, so they can put hand on the head. and say maybe "jeeti raho" or somthing of that sort. we do it to coz we respect them, and they put their hand on our head to show that they are elders and they care. and they bless us. and if they have close relationship with us, they might also kiss the forehead, or on top of the head. its just another way of showing both respect and love.

it is more like culture then religion.

Originally posted by: Ms. Bholi Bhali

hmmmm, bowing, and touching feet is more like Indian Culture, or u can say South Asian Culture. in SIndh, Pakistan. it is a norm, to touch the feet of an elder or bow their heads. it is due to respect. not because they worship them.

if u know, that many a times, in Muslim families. fathers or uncles. put hand on daughter's or younger ladies head. just another way of blessing them. we don't touch their feet. but bow our head a little, so they can put hand on the head. and say maybe "jeeti raho" or somthing of that sort. we do it to coz we respect them, and they put their hand on our head to show that they are elders and they care. and they bless us. and if they have close relationship with us, they might also kiss the forehead, or on top of the head. its just another way of showing both respect and love.

it is more like culture then religion.

Exactly!! It is our South Asian culture. As Minnie mentioned earlier [quote=minnie]vande matram is nothing but a salaam or a salute to the motherland !!!!![/quote]That's why I fail to understand why some Indians are objecting to it and inane reasoning behind it? It is just petty politics.
Only first two lines were asked to be sung on Sep 7th and the translation of first line is Tasleemat, maan tasleemat in Urdu and Mother, I bow to thee in English.

Originally posted by: Ms. Bholi Bhali

hmmmm, bowing, and touching feet is more like Indian Culture, or u can say South Asian Culture. in SIndh, Pakistan. it is a norm, to touch the feet of an elder or bow their heads. it is due to respect. not because they worship them.

if u know, that many a times, in Muslim families. fathers or uncles. put hand on daughter's or younger ladies head. just another way of blessing them. we don't touch their feet. but bow our head a little, so they can put hand on the head. and say maybe "jeeti raho" or somthing of that sort. we do it to coz we respect them, and they put their hand on our head to show that they are elders and they care. and they bless us. and if they have close relationship with us, they might also kiss the forehead, or on top of the head. its just another way of showing both respect and love.

it is more like culture then religion.

beautifully said Saba !!!!

maybe somewhere down the line, someone is getting the whole perspective wrong.....😕

so is it ok to say Vande Mataram yet?

I thought the topic was closed a few days back! 😕

Anyways, I think the topic is going wayyyyyyy out of proportion. Some ppl are getting offended by the things being said here. And there's a bit of personal attacking here too.

Anyways, here's my view. These ppl who think Vande Mataram should be banned are big extremists. In our religion, we call these type of ppl extremists. India's not an Islamic country, it's a country that embraces different religions. And some people said earlier that India is being very fair to Muslims like paying for pilgrimages and stuff so Muslims are welcome in this country.

We don't have to sing the song - no one's forcing us. But we should at least stand up and show some respect. After all, it's our country's song.

Being an extremist doesn't mean ur the best Muslim. Because what it actually means is tolerating other religions.

Look at our Mughal Emperor, Akbar, he was an Indian Muslim and he showed tolerance towards Hindus at that time. That made him a wonderful person, emperor and Muslim. He allowed Hindus to celebrate their festivals, he no longer forced Hindus to convert into Muslims, he banned the tax Hindus were forced to pay and he eventually started dressing like a Hindu and going on pilgrimages to shrines.

Some extremists might think, 'He's a bad Muslim!!!' But he's not. He showed tolerance and he believed all religions were equal to his. ANd that's why he lived to be one of the greatest Mughal Emperors ever known.

So the thing is that you don't have to sing the Vande Mataram if you don't feel like it but that doesn't mean that these religious leaders who feel that their religion is superior to the other ones should brainwash you. It's your life. Do what you want. No one will kill you if you don't sing it.

Originally posted by: bubble_gum

I thought the topic was closed a few days back! 😕

Anyways, I think the topic is going wayyyyyyy out of proportion. Some ppl are getting offended by the things being said here. And there's a bit of personal attacking here too.

Anyways, here's my view. These ppl who think Vande Mataram should be banned are big extremists. In our religion, we call these type of ppl extremists. India's not an Islamic country, it's a country that embraces different religions. And some people said earlier that India is being very fair to Muslims like paying for pilgrimages and stuff so Muslims are welcome in this country.

We don't have to sing the song - no one's forcing us. But we should at least stand up and show some respect. After all, it's our country's song.

Being an extremist doesn't mean ur the best Muslim. Because what it actually means is tolerating other religions.

Look at our Mughal Emperor, Akbar, he was an Indian Muslim and he showed tolerance towards Hindus at that time. That made him a wonderful person, emperor and Muslim. He allowed Hindus to celebrate their festivals, he no longer forced Hindus to convert into Muslims, he banned the tax Hindus were forced to pay and he eventually started dressing like a Hindu and going on pilgrimages to shrines.

Some extremists might think, 'He's a bad Muslim!!!' But he's not. He showed tolerance and he believed all religions were equal to his. ANd that's why he lived to be one of the greatest Mughal Emperors ever known.

So the thing is that you don't have to sing the Vande Mataram if you don't feel like it but that doesn't mean that these religious leaders who feel that their religion is superior to the other ones should brainwash you. It's your life. Do what you want. No one will kill you if you don't sing it.

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Abhijit, I liked the way you debate with facts and proof rather than just feelings and sentiments. 👏 It's good to see debates that can be argued on basis of facts and research rather than just feelings and mere thoughts.

Bubble gum -- well said i agree with you 👏

Originally posted by: Born2rule

lol Koool that means what i heard was right Muslims in India cant ask 4 there Rights else u show them the way to Pakistan Wowwwwwwwww........ LuCkY to Be Borned in pakistan....... Poor indian Muslims!

I dont think most Indian muslims have found any need to ask for any more rights. They already have all of them and actually more, in the form of minority reservations, Haj subsidies and the like.

Muslims in India are the luckiest bunch in the world for having been born in India. They dont have to worry about being culturally isolated. They get to follow their religion without being scanned under a microscope for their faith like many western countries do today. They dont have to deal with war as they are not living in or around Palestine. They dont have to deal with dictatorship or military rule like in Pakistan.

Whatever money (or however poor my country might be) it has given it's people access to free health care, which even the US has not been able to do. This means when your baby gets hurt you can take him to a hospital and get treated for almost free. Indian physicians have helped many babies from many muslim countries. But to know this one must read or in the very least follow the news.

Many muslim countries recieve aid including Pakistan from India in times of natural disaster and floods. This is even when India rejects aid for herself and takes a loan to help her own people during the Tsunami. It might be hard for one to understand or publicise these things. But these are facts that even Indian tax payer understands when they shell out the extra 1000 Rs a month to support Indonesian aid.

India has always supported the right cause even if it meant she would endure more hardship. Eg: Germany and Palesitne . Mahatma Gandhi was probably the only iconic leader in the whole world who understood the Palestine cause and spoke up for Arafat.

India is not strong enough economically to not feel the pressure from international quarters but she is so strong in her principles that she has never bent to what she believes is not right-

Not a single muslim country can point a finger at india and say she exploited them, or their resources. Not one of them can say she attacked them.

India has given to her muslims and to her own among all the difficulties and horror, a home and an opportunity.

All that was suggested that you say thank you, lets sing Vande Mataram to pay tribute to the land that has only helped. Why is that such a big deal? Even if some dont sing Vande Mataram she wouldn't give a damn because I believe God loves India quite a bit to have allowed her to survive for thousands of years since civilization. And there isnt a thing you can do to contest that-

Guys, please chill. Please refrain from attacking any member personally or any country. Born2rule, Rindam please lets not try to prove what country is better and what place is better to live for any community. I don't think any one needs to be proved anything. We all know how Indians live in India despite of many religion including, Hindu, Muslim, Christian, Budhist, Sikh, Parsi and many more. If some people don't want to sing Vande Mataram, let's not take this debate to country. Born2rule- just like Abhijit said, he never used word Muslim or talked about any particular country. Pakistan is not the only country that has muslim community. There are lot of countires in world with Muslim population including India so there is no need to take anything personally.

According to me, each country have their own songs and anthem. If you live in that country you are suppose to go by the rules. If my child lives in US she/he is NOT Indian she is American. She is suppose to sing American national anthem and bow to her motherland. Thats the country that will give her education, food and shelter. Those who do not know how to bow and respect their country that give them life better not live in that country no matter what religion they follow like Abhijit said. When Parsi came to India they were told that there is no place for them and they responded that they will dissolve like sugar in milk and till date they have dissolved themselves and are Indian.

According to me this debate has been discussed and I don't think there is anything new or better to add. This is debate about a country policy and politics, I don't know how and why we made this debate into religous debate.