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Originally posted by: abhijit shukla
😆 Yes...it is OK to say Vande Mataram. It always was it always will be.
VANDEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE MAAAAAAAAAATARAAMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
There is no problem, at least in the way I see it, with muslims reciting vande matram. The problem arises in it being mandated that people have to recite it. If someone wants to recite it because they love India and they dont feel their religion or morals are conflicted by reciting it then they should definitely do it, however if someone does feel that they are being forced to accept hinduism (due to the refrences to the goddesses) or go against their religion (due to bowing to the land reason) then they shudnt be forced to do that. No one should ban muslims from reciting it those that want to should, and those that dont shouldn't. If its not fair to ban someone from reciting it then its not fair to mandate someone to recite it either.
I so agree with you. The song shouldn't be imposed on anybody.
but no one should be forced not to sing it too😊
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Singing of Vande Mataram not un-Islamic, say Muslim bodies
Bhopal, Sep 6 (IANS) Several Muslim organisations in Madhya Pradesh say singing of the Vande Mataram is not against the basic tenets of Islam.
A spokesperson for the Rashtravadi Muslim Vikas Samiti told IANS: 'The song has been the unifying force for people from different religions ever since the freedom struggle.'
Mustafa Khan, the Samiti's secretary said, 'Its singing is not against the fundamentals of Islam. Praising of motherland has been encouraged in Islam.'
Singing of the national song to mark its centenary Sep 7 has been made compulsory in Madhya Pradesh.
Saying that his organisation would try to ensure that the song is recited by all Muslims, Khan said, 'Muslims are an integral part of the country's culture and should not fall prey to opportunist plots of political leaders.'
A large number of Muslims took out a procession here Saturday to show their support for the national song.
The procession organised by the All-India Muslim Teohar Committee (AIMTC) was led by Maulana Maqbool Ahmed Mansuri (head of the Mansuri sect), Haji Hakim Qureshi (head of the Qureshis) and Syed Shaukat Ali (head of the Sufis).
'There is no wrong in praying for our motherland and Vande Mataram is a 'salaam' (salute) not a 'naman' or 'ibadat' (worship). It is a prayer for the nation,' a member of the committee said.
'Misconceptions among Muslims exist because the song is in Sanskrit - a language they don't understand,' he added.
Madhya Pradesh Madrassa Board Chairman S.K. Muddintoo had earlier issued a circular asking the 2.75 lakh students in 5,300 seminaries to sing the national song as there was nothing un-Islamic about it.
Muddin told IANS: 'I have instructed all madrassas to ensure students sing the song. It's a salute to the nation.'
His words echo the sentiments of other Muslims too.
The All-India Muslim Women's Personal Law Board (AIMWPLB) president Shaista Ambar during her recent visit to the state said that the singing of the national song is not 'un-Islamic'. The AIMWPLB is also organising a seminar in Lucknow Sep 10 on the sacrifice of Muslims in the freedom movement.
The government has already sent the circular to all educational institutes to ensure the recitation of Vande Mataram to mark its centenary Sep 7.
Governor Balram Jakhar has said singing of the national song is not part of any religious ritual. It should be recited as a mark of respect, Raj Bhavan sources said.
Indo-Asian News Service
Sikh body fine with singing of Vande Mataram
Chandigarh, Sep 6 (IANS) The highest body of the Sikh politico-religious affairs - the Shiromani Gurudwara Prabandhak Committee (SGPC) - Wednesday said that it had no problem with members of the Sikh community singing Vande Mataram, India's national song.
'The Sikhs are an important part of India and this is the country's national song. Sikhs and Sikh gurus have made sacrifices for the country. We even sing the national anthem in our institutions so there should be no problem in singing Vande Mataram,' SGPC president Avtar Singh Makkar said.
Earlier reports had suggested that SGPC did not want Sikhs to sing Vande Mataram on its anniversary Sep 7. Makkar claimed that he was quoted out of context.
The SGPC is dominated by the Shiromani Akali Dal led by former chief minister Prakash Singh Badal. The Akali party is a political alliance partner of the Bharatiya Janata Party in Punjab and at the centre. The BJP is pressing for the singing of Vande Mataram in all educational institutions.
Radical Akali leader Simranjit Singh Mann, however, opposed the 'forcible' singing of Vande Mataram. He said that his party leaders would go to schools across Punjab Sep 7 to ensure that Sikh students were not forced to sing the song.
Separatist Sikh body, Dal Khalsa, urged Sikh community members not to send their children to school Sep 7 and to oppose the singing of Vande Mataram.
Indo-Asian News Service
Vande Mataram not a Hindu-Muslim issue: Muslim scholar
Patna, Sep 6 (IANS) While debate rages over the singing of the Vande Mataram in India to mark its centenary, an eminent Muslim social scientist says its singing should not be seen as a Hindu-Muslim issue.
Imtiaz Ahmad, a political sociologist, told IANS in an email interview: 'I feel that posing the opposition in Hindu-Muslim terms is misleading. The opposition is really between a religious or sectarian vision and a secular-democratic worldview. This is how the issue should be looked at.'
Ahmad, who has taught at Jawaharlal Nehru University in New Delhi, said it was not right to say that all Muslims are opposed to the singing of Vande Mataram. 'I am sure that many Muslims sing it by exercising their freedom of choice. Therefore, it is necessary to distinguish between Muslims who oppose the song on the ground of religious ideology and those who do not bring religion into this, though they are equally Muslim,' Ahmad said.
Ahmad recalled how he would sing it in school when he was a child.
'Muslims alone are not opposed to the signing of the Vande Mataram. Many people with a secular bent of mind are also opposed to its singing and for sound reasons. Muslims may find this song distasteful because of its Hindu flavour, but even secular-minded Hindus find its religious undertones unsavoury and unpalatable.'
According to Ahmad, the inheritance of the song is both sectarian and religious and the context out of which it originated was shaped by a notion of narrow nationalism, which sought to equate the nation with Hindus, and used Hindu imagery to appeal to the Hindus to rise up against Muslim colonialists.
'It has sometimes been argued that the Muslim in Bankim Chandra Chattopadhyaya's 'Anand Math' was a surrogate for the British, but this does not make a difference. The song is an invocation to Hindu goddesses as well as to the country deified as the Mother.
'If Muslims fight this battle on a religious terrain alone, the fear expressed by many that it will harm the interest of Muslims would turn out to be real. If the issue is fought on a secular and democratic terrain, that fear is unfounded.
'For one thing, Muslims should cold shoulder the overtures of their communal leadership and ignore them. Second, if they are opposed to the singing of Vande Mataram, a right the constitution guarantees them, they should pose their opposition in strictly secular and democratic terms and not in Hindu-Muslim terms,' he said.
'Muslims are equal citizens of the country and if a sectarian and narrow Hindu nationalist opinion seeks to inflict the singing of a sectarian song to an extent that democratic freedom is compromised, then not opposing it for fear such opposition would open Muslims to be seen as fundamentalists or conservative would do greater harm,' he said.
Ahmad, author of half a dozen books on socio-economic aspects of Muslims, said if people adhere to this dictum, the rightwing forces on both sides will be isolated and will find themselves beating their wings in the void without any tangible advantage.
Indo-Asian News Service
Shia cleric urges dialogue on Vande Mataram
Lucknow, Sep 5 (IANS) Prominent Shia cleric Maulana Kalbe Sadiq Tuesday urged a dialogue to resolve the ongoing controversy over the recitation of national song Vande Mataram in educational institutions on its anniversary Thursday.
Kalbe, the vice president of the All India Muslim Personal Law Board, also clarified he was not against children going to school on Thursday.
'But they should not utter the word vande since its meaning is still unclear. But boycotting school is bound to create complications,' he pointed out.
'I see nothing wrong in reciting the national song as long as it does not amount to worshiping,' Sadiq told IANS.
He said: 'Islam just does not permit worshipping anyone other than Allah. You cannot even worship the Prophet. Therefore, the opposition to the move should not be construed as any kind of disrespect or disloyalty to the nation.'
He felt the 'Need to bring leading Islamist as well as Sanskrit scholars to decipher the real meaning of the word vande. And if it is found that it simply means salutation or praise, then there would be no cause for any opposition.'
Asked if the Muslim opposition to Vande Mataram would not give a handle to the Bharatiya Janata Party to polarise its Hindu hardline vote bank, the Maulana shot back: 'Gone are the days when people of this country would get easily carried away by such campaigns. People can see when unscrupulous politicians are playing their games. I do not think BJP will stand to make any political gains out of it.'
And to substantiate his assertion, he went on to cite the terror bomb blasts in Varanasi and Mumbai.
'Ten years ago if such terror blasts had taken place, there would have been bloodshed and Muslims would have been at the receiving end. But see the understanding and compassion people have for each other now. They clearly understood that it was the task of crooks and any clash between Muslims and Hindus would have amounted to playing into the hands of those very mischief-mongers,' he added.
Indo-Asian News Service
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