R.I.P our martyrs - Page 13

Originally posted by: sharpshooter

You're contradicting yourself now. You started off by questioning India's role in the 1971 war and then when I gave you the valid reason you downplayed it by saying the attack on India was a mere side effect. Double standards no?

I don't give two cahoots for any country, or a government that pushes people to war. Sending them to their deaths by brainwashing them to fight for this and that I feel that is foolish.

Originally posted by: sharpshooter

You're contradicting yourself now. You started off by questioning India's role in the 1971 war and then when I gave you the valid reason you downplayed it by saying the attack on India was a mere side effect. Double standards no?

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

I think we have a lost in translation here.

You state that the air strikes were the cause of Indian
involvement in the 1971 war.

Axeion states that the air strikers were the result of Indian
involvement in the 1971 war.

Both of you now need to provide citations to confirm whose
claim is true.

If anyone asks, I'm Korean.

Check out the multiple sources on Wikipedia. This has also been confirmed by former Pakistani Air Force chief A.Khan and veteran Pakistan journalist Najam Sethi on Geo TV. Go to YouTube and type 'Najam Sethi on Indo- Pak wars'.

Originally posted by: silverbug

Yeah lets put the blame for 26/11 on a) BSF b) Insiders but lets not blame the Pakistani infiltrators. Likewise, shouldn't Pakistanis put the blame for 1971 on a) racist attitudes of their own politicians towards Bengalis b) Depriving Bengalis of resources c) Isolating East Pakistan in every prior war and compromising their security to protect West Pakistan. Why blame India ?

Who is under India's jurisdiction? India's border security and India's people; or the infiltrators.

Why blame something outside the jurisdiction? Risk and infiltration are a given. The ability to withstand it should be of penultimate importance.

You can look at it in two ways. You can look at it as merely "blaming" India. Or you can look at it as asking the right questions to make national security more accountable.

Originally posted by: kvlt

Who is arguing that? I wish you had used a better word than 'cribbing' when talking about the issue at hand.

Yes. The nation's security is not upto the mark. Why? Shame on us. Do not think that the GoI has not been slammed and screamed on enough. And I do not take me or any other to be as stupid as to blame Pakistan for all our problems. Yet, this has been going on since independence. And the issue which is Kashmir, still stands unresolved. So, yes, the other nation does violate us by killing our soldiers today. So, I shall crib, because I'm angry.

Originally posted by: sharpshooter

I think we have a lost in translation here.

You state that the air strikes were the cause of Indian
involvement in the 1971 war.

Axeion states that the air strikers were the result of Indian
involvement in the 1971 war.

Both of you now need to provide citations to confirm whose
claim is true.

If anyone asks, I'm Korean.

Check out the multiple sources on Wikipedia. This has also been confirmed by former Pakistani Air Force chief A.Khan and veteran Pakistan journalist Najam Sethi on Geo TV. Go to YouTube and type 'Najam Sethi on Indo- Pak wars'.

Not my job. The burden of proof lies on the person making the claim. I don't believe any factual claims unless I have a non-crowd sourced college approved citation. That goes for Axeion as well.

Originally posted by: -Chandramukhi-

This has nothing to do with him or his opinions. But how would him being a Pakistani or not have anything to do with his opinions. Why are you implying that it can only be someone from a Pakistani descent to have a contrasting viewpoint. I am sure even the Pakistanis of the forum would respect anyone losing their lives for their country. And whether you have Pakistani friends or how didaar they are has nothing to do with the fact that you just judged someone from his comment of being a Pakistani. If you can't see the issue here, then I got nothing more to say.

I just request not to bring countries here in any opinionated way since this forum is filled with people from various backgrounds.

Not that I owe you or anybody an explanation but I'll try once again.

TM : Soldiers die a gruesome death.
A : They deserve it for being Soldiers.
B: That's inhumane.
A: They signed up for it.
B: Are you of Pakistani descent, to feel this way?

If this is indeed war, and Boss is indeed a Pakistani, he wouldn't feel sympathy for the Indian Soldiers because casualities are a part of war and happen on both sides just like an Indian wouldn't feel for the Pakistani soldier, IN THE ACT OF WAR. But this wasn't WAR.

I realize you have a personal vendettta , against me, that you're trying to fulfill here but this is not the time or the place for it. Peace.

PS : This is not even half as offensive as saying Soldiers deserve this type of death. Maybe you should look into that.

Originally posted by: TheBoss

I don't give two cahoots for any country, or a government that pushes people to war. Sending them to their deaths by brainwashing them to fight for this and that I feel that is foolish.

The total amount of GDP that our dear country invests in wars could be very well utilised if they put them to right causes but offcourse fighting for your nation defending the pride and dying a death is far more glorious than dealing with pressing issues and doing something about it, instead of snatching away sons and daughters and husbands and wives by sending them to war and cutting short their lives is national service right?

Originally posted by: TheBoss

I don't give two cahoots for any country, or a government that pushes people to war. Sending them to their deaths by brainwashing them to fight for this and that I feel that is foolish.

The total amount of GDP that our dear country invests in wars could be very well utilised if they put them to right causes but offcourse fighting for your nation defending the pride and dying a death is far more glorious than dealing with pressing issues and doing something about it, instead of snatching away sons and daughters and husbands and wives by sending them to war and cutting short their lives is national service right?