Civilization - Aryans or Dravids - Page 2

Nice topic!

Very informative.I feel somany things in History are just hype.But still we need to be curious about the things happened and things happening.

Subha Di!

I too use Google uncle a lot.

Originally posted by: mythili_Kiran

Subha Di!

I too use Google uncle a lot.

hehe, that was just to be funny. i took that line off already.. Enjoy and CONGOS for being the Golden GrrrrrrL 😃..
subha di

Originally posted by: mythili_Kiran

Nice topic!

Very informative.I feel somany things in History are just hype.But still we need to be curious about the things happened and things happening.

Subha Di!

I too use Google uncle a lot.

google bhi uncle....

Excellent. I will definitely come back to this topic.

Originally posted by: caramelcj

If we start debating on what happened in history, we can go on forever and never come to a conclusion...

Perfect documentation is not available to approve or disprove this theory...

Yeh gadda murda kidher se aa gaya😆😆

THnaks Somya fro digging it oit..back in my mind I always though how come DM was not interested in our History.

Caramel ji, I agree there are not enough proof or may I say Valid proofs. Does that mean we should just accept the facts as are being presented to us in a golden plate. Glorifying Europeons and fading out our ancestors.

Originally posted by: Maya_M

My knowledge is based on various sources on the net and the books I read. I don't know if we can actually debate on it as we don't know which facts to believe. I too studied Aryan invasion theory in that past and believed it but as time went by and referring to various articles and finds with proof I have come to the conclusion that it is a myth. Main thing is the language. All the Indian languages are based on Sanskrit. I am talking about the 'shudh bhasha' not the one influenced by Persian and other languages. The basis of all Indian language is 'Sanskrit'.

I will get back on this. I like what Tina, Prara, DF, SR posted and the proof provided.

I beg to differ on ur statement that all languages in india was based on sanskrit, the tamil language , was one of the original languages in the world whcih wasnt derived from sanskrit or any other language . It was formed from scratch ,

here is the link to confirm the same

The origins of Tamil, like the other Dravidian languages are unknown, but unlike most of the other established literary languages of India, are independent of Sanskrit. Tamil has the oldest literature amongst the Dravidian languages (Hart, 1975), but dating the language and the literature precisely is difficult. Literary works in India or Sri Lanka were preserved either in palm leaf manuscripts (implying repeated copying and recopying) or through oral transmission, making direct dating impossible. External chronological records and internal linguistic evidence, however, indicate that the oldest extant works were probably composed sometime in the 2nd century CE.

Tamil (????? tami?) is a classical language and one of the major languages of the Dravidian language family. It is also the Dravidian language with the oldest extant literature.

The meaning of Classical language is given below

Classical language

Tina, As far as I remeber Calssical Sanskrit and Tamil were derieved from Vedic Sanskrit or atleast both sprung from some common source. Yes there may not be valid proof..atleast I donot have it. But to me they both are originating in India. So a part of Drawid civilization. which later most probably gave birth to latin, French etc.
In this debate, concentration is more towards about theories impossed on us by invaders, just to prove that they are superior to us.

Originally posted by: Swar_Raj

Yeh gadda murda kidher se aa gaya😆😆

THnaks Somya fro digging it oit..back in my mind I always though how come DM was not interested in our History.

Caramel ji, I agree there are not enough proof or may I say Valid proofs. Does that mean we should just accept the facts as are being presented to us in a golden plate. Glorifying Europeons and fading out our ancestors.

Oh No...
as you say we have no valid proof..
I never said anything about accepting what europeans have written...
We have our own beliefs...
but then we can never disprove what we dont believe in to everybody's satisfaction....

Originally posted by: caramelcj

If we start debating on what happened in history, we can go on forever and never come to a conclusion...

Perfect documentation is not available to approve or disprove this theory...

umm.. i agree wiv u!😊

Take Care

Anoli

xxx

Originally posted by: abhijit shukla

Subhagya;

As our own genetic expert, I take your word for it. I did not see this post first and wrote the same.

I already edit my post 5 times ever since the English-police was employed! Now you are giving me a bigger responsibility Dr. ji! I appreciate the trust and will google / yahoo before making a stupid comment! 😳

You are saying that yes there is mixing but not necessarily invasion. In that case should there not have been people with mitochondrial Aryan DNA and Chromosomal Dravidian DNA with equal frequency? Does not the mixing of this amplitude only in one direction suggest subjugation?

First of all, the "Aryan-love-machine" comment was me trying to give another spin to the overly-emphasized invasion theory. If Aryans at all came to our land and created some of us, if Vedas are truly the knowledge that they brought along, I cannot accept that such gurus were unruly invaders/ destroyers. Hence I find ways to look at them in a different light.

If "Aryans" were the explorers / seekers of remote civilizations/ sailors, perhaps they did not move around as a family but instead as single men. Only after discovering the civilizations such as Mohenjodaro, Harappa, & others that Aryans are blamed to have destroyed , perhaps they settled as members of those civilizations. The gene pool could have got biassed because of the lack of / low abundance of female explorers that came with them. Hence the counter low abundance of Dravidian chromosonal DNA with aryan mitochindrial DNA is believable. If a few women at all came and mingled with original settlers, they perhaps carried dravidian chromosomal DNA that remains yet undiscovered in certain races! As you mention later, 300 people do not make a true sample. Interestingly, if both men and women arrived here, one also wonders where the pure aryan-aryan progeny disappeared? None of them in-bred at all??

Another thing is: if Aryans were so open minded as to freely mix with dravids, why is it that all of a sudden there was caste system where even people with the same genetic pool could not marry?

When exactly did the caste system arise is another mystery. Apparantly, it was designed to be a classification based on one's functional role in the society. If "Aryans" were the travellers seeking new lands, they were possibly comparatively more knowledgeable as well as brave. One can claim that their progeny became self-procliamed superior races.
However how does one explain caste system prevalent even in particular Dravidian races (in-bred)? Aryan invasion / loving 😉 fails to explain that.
I think that caste-system is a different ball game altogether.

Thogh I have to admit: a sample size of 250 out of a billion sounds too small to prove anything. Other questions is what where the questions that the researchers were asking before embarking upon the study...or was it a case of conclusion first, research next?

I concur! These DNA analyses are just screens! Taking a huge risk of sounding cocky, I will say that such research and interpretations can shed more light on past than future. Seggregating Aryans & Dravidians will achieve exactly what? Don't we have enough issues already because of the diversity? Or are we trying to justify them by blaming it on the so-called aryans / aliens?? 😕 There are several races, indicating a specific amplified occurance if genetic disorders. The study of Dravidian vs Konkanastha Brahmins from maharashtra / khstatriya's from Haryana seems to be more of a vested interest of a few believing in the Aryan Invasion-Origin of such a divide!

Subhagya