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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Arwen.

^^😆😆😆

Wanna share some of his gems 😆?

Ramez raja: Soft ball has been hit quite hard😆
Afridi has an experienced HAND.😕
Jamshed is pushing smoothly. His partner Akmal is satisfied today.😲😆😆

Today India need to beat South Africa by at least 32 runs then there is chance...
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Posted: 12 years ago
Ye cheeezz!!! 🥳

I love South Africa [:D/]
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: Arwen.

Ye cheeezz!!! 🥳

I love South Africa [:D/]

I Love Bookies !!!😆
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Posted: 12 years ago
^^ Aw c'mon 😆😆😆



I was watching the Barca vs Benfica match last night ... That was one ugly injury Poor Puyol ... if it was me, i would have fainted 😳
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

With respect to the bolded part: which part of the brain? which processes?

I need to give a background as well so my reply will be a little long. lol
1) Here we are talking about a long term memory (LTM) i.e. information that is encoded, stored and can be retrieved even after a long time. LTMs are divided into declarative (consciously recalled) and non declarative (un-consciously used). Declarative is further divided into 1) episodic (events) and 2) semantic (facts, knowledge). The movie Sholay is a episodic declarative LTM. It is a past episode in your life which was important enough to move from short term memory to a long term one and therefore encoded and stored. It was stored as established networks (Engrams) which are either dedicated neurocircuits (meaning separate one for an episode) or a pattern of involvement of neurocircuitry (different firing pattern for different event). As I said before I am not clear on that. The network has stronger synaptic connections.
The episodic and semantic (declarative LTM) are encoded and stored largely by medial temporal lobe structures such as hippocampus, different cortices in temporal lobe etc. We should also note that it is not like they are the only structure involved in this process. Besides sensory processing areas, frontal lobe is also involved in the sense that it is responsible for attention towards an event which is in turn one of the factor that is involved in decision of encoding a short term memory to LTM and also in level/quality of encodining.
2) Encoding sholay would mean putting together or integration of different sensory stimuli (coming from their respective sensory cortical areas/lobes located all over the brain largely lateral cortex) and it is more than just sound and visual coming from the movie. It involves the context, the surrounding, the time and many other aspects. For example you may have thought of a western cowboy movie watching the initial scene when the train arrives and the inspector heads for Thakur's home. That thought is also encoded. The most important region is Hippocampus. All the input goes to this region of medial temporal lobe.
3) All this happened 5 years ago. Now you were going somewhere and suddenly you saw a person looking like Gabbar Singh. That is a cue. The information will flow from visual cortex towards medial lobe. Frontal lobe here also plays an important in conscious retrieval of stored memories (you wonder who he resembles) and directs it to temporal lobe. Once it is there it reactivates that network/patten/Engram (similar to one that resembles Gabbar Singh) which in turn stimulates the whole pathway in reverse order i.e. involves all sensory cortices which were responsible for stimuli and there you go you are able to recall Gababr singh and related memories lol. It is kind of like that. By watching a person you concisously asked a question and it was directed to temporal lobe which retrived a memory closest to the input.
Note the reason we do not see Gabbar singh or hear him is that we are talking about activation of sensory/stimuli processing area and not going from those areas to respective sensory organs. That I believe is a one-way traffic. This is why you imagine it in your mind but it does not replace what you are seeing, hearing it at that time and hence it is not similar to experiencing a true event.
Though we have the capacity to store a lot still we cannot recall a lot and that to at once or in a order. The reason is our brain is not like a DVD which exactly encodes what you write on it. There are lots of things going on majority of which we filter out. It is the one we pay attention to that is encoded and that is not alone. It stores relatively (episodic memory i.e.) and therefore we only store and remember things relevant and improtant to us.
In conclusion above are the regions involved. Initially the experience was living the event (sensory organs + sensory areas processing information) while when you retrieve it involves medial temporal lobe and sensory processing areas recreating a memory. I guess it is these two that largely experience it on retrieval.
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Posted: 12 years ago
K-A-L, undoubtedly your knowledge in this area is impressive. However my questions pertain to two specific problems:

a. The binding problem
b. The combination/integration problem.

If a scene from Sholay is the object of your brain, who is the subject? Which processes experience that one scene together as a single scene? How did the unity happen?

Some links for your reading pleasure:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binding_problem#The_combination_problem

http://lifesci.rutgers.edu/~auerbach/binding%20intro.pdf

http://thebrain.mcgill.ca/flash/d/d_12/d_12_cl/d_12_cl_con/d_12_cl_con.html

http://leon.barrettnexus.com/papers/fluents.pdf

http://www.ratical.org/co-globalize/MaeWanHo/brainde.html

P.S: If the answers could be easily found, I wouldn't ask :)

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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: K.Universe.

K-A-L, undoubtedly your knowledge in this area is impressive. However my questions pertain to two specific problems:

a. The binding problem
b. The combination/integration problem.

If a scene from Sholay is the object of your brain, who is the subject? Which processes experience that one scene together as a single scene? How did the unity happen?

Some links for your reading pleasure:

P.S: If the answers could be easily found, I wouldn't ask :)

Your questions are not easy to understand either. lol.
To be honest with you I do not have a clear answer. However it seems (looking at those links) you are already on the task so I don't know what can I add here lol. What I will say is that I do not believe there is one processing area where all information is binded and then we experience it as a single scene. On the contrary individual sensory areas process their respective stimuli, experience it and the overall experience is merely their simultaneous working. The third link is was extremely helpful in this regard.
I have read few articles and understand the depth of your question. However I am not commenting on it right now as before I need to be clear myself. I do not want to give opinions for the sake of it. If I come up with something I will share my take for sure.

I want to thank you for a superb discussion.
Now enjoy this song from another K.
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Posted: 12 years ago
Presidential debate is over... I think CNN is liberal... 🤓
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Posted: 12 years ago
I already know about the debate 😆 I always thought Obama is a great speaker while Romney is an accident that has already happened but it was the opposite during debates😆 (not that i watched .. but have read reports😛)

SO,

how was the Rumble 😃?


@T20WC - wow!! SL vs WI? i wasn't expecting that 😳 But boy i loved the Aus vs WI semi 😆 Chris Gayle .. whaata man😎
towards the end of WI innings, i told my brother that this is a high scoring match and so he went downstairs to watch it (we both watched that final over) .. and he then ended up watching the whole match, which led to clashes between him and my mum bcos mom wanted to watch the 8 pm serial 😆😆😆 i guess there was alot of to and fro during ad breaks 😆😆

speaking of semis, any opinions about #rainanephew/#nephewgate 😆😆😆? Personally, i m inclined to believe him bcos all of his tweets are in impeccable English and that one was 👎🏼But as some of my friends' say.. time of the tweet makes it a little suspect 😛
Edited by Arwen. - 12 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago
'Sri Lanka Vs West Indies' final today ...just wanna say kindly adjust contrast and brightness on ur Television sets before watching ...

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