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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: ParaDiseMb


Ola ! Don't worry i made this topic focusing on people's responses in relation to the topic title. I need some opposing comments for the better of my Research paper lol. A good academic piece of writing is not favorable without a balance argument. I myself am in contrast to the statement, due to the fact there are several summer born known to me who are have a very cognitive mind, but then again no assumptions can me made without any reasoning right? Sure, I would love to share my findings with you. If you want to have a little insight into the research i have come across so far, then drop me a PM. :) Toodles.




hey ur topic is nice n interesting😊

ur post never revealed that u r agreeing to that statement n u r not ... right?

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Posted: 13 years ago
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I am Summer so should know better.
Perhaps the summer heat fries the Brains 😆
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: Summer3

I am Summer so should know better.
Perhaps the summer heat fries the Brains 😆

Bravo! You have connected the dots :O 😆 Guess we should all stick our heads inside refregators, I bet that would be a marvel and cause some costernation.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: be-happy-always


hey ur topic is nice n interesting😊

ur post never revealed that u r agreeing to that statement n u r not ... right?

It's interesting to the extent that it shows how misunderstood some researchers are and it also makes you ponder over how they had come up with such a ermm... 'revelation' lol. This again makes you think, what had ignited their cognitive minds to bounce around this statement. Could there be some truth? They might have had based their findings on a small sampling frame and not looked at it interms of globality, which again makes you think, is the research reliable? and Nope i am not agreeing to the statement. Its obviously preposterous.
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: ParaDiseMb



Bravo! You have connected the dots :O 😆Guess we should all stick our heads inside refregators, I bet that would be a marvel and cause some costernation. ]

😉
Perhaps it's written in the stars.
I am a November person and my friend's brother too was born on the same day and year as me ( but in different countries). Our academic and career paths are entirely different. Also he smokes and I do not. He never did any tertiary education either. Their family has 4 brothers and his siblings are all brilliant in studies.


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Posted: 13 years ago
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I have never heard something like this before Minz. It must be a downright miracle that I know several summer born people who are doing perfectly fine with their studies and i can admit they are more intelligent than me and i'm a winter born.

by research are they saying they took a survey and drew up statistics on summer borns and winter borns? Cuz this all just sounds ridiculous and we can't really rely on statistics fully to prove something anyway..
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Posted: 13 years ago
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It appears that research shows those born in Summer are less likely to go to a University. It is there in the statistics of when children were born and how much they studied. Seems like a load of bull doesn't it. How could being born in a particular season determine the future of a child? There doesn't appear to be any logical reason why summer births inhibit a child's education. What we have is a correlation. The trick is to figure what is the causation.

So Levitt & Dubner, I tried to think if there was an external reason that makes summer born kids less likely to go to a University. Based on North American culture, that is prevalent in many parts of the western world I have a probable theory that could explain this correlation.

Summer months are June, July, August.(In North America) That means the children were conceived in the October-January period. Many of these pregnancies happen to be the following
- Unwanted or unplanned pregnancies following drunken debauchery on Halloween, New Years, Christmas parties etc.
- Boredom pregnancies or winter babies where people conceive because there is nothing else to do
- Pregnancies amidst laid off construction or farm labor or similar blue collar families
- Busy executives who are heavily committed to work tend to conceive only during the 'holidays' when they actually spend a day or two with family

The first two groups make poor parents that tend to be irresponsible so their children are less likely to be raised with incentives to go to college. The third category is less likely to be able to afford college and tend to have their kids work in the same fields as parents. The fourth category even though well to do often tends to ignore children leading to rebellious children less likely to go to college. These groups create summer children who are less likely to go to University.

Whether one goes to college or not depends on parents or upbringing, NOT the season one was born in. It just so happens that parents less likely to have college going kids are more likely to give birth in summer - creating the correlation between summer births and not going to college.

Should a summer born be worried - not at all. If you were born to the right parents, they will do everything to get you a good upbringing and education. Even if you were born on the wrong side of the tracks or to the wrong parents, if you are smart and capable you can and will go to college irrespective of who your parents were or when you were born.

Of course this is just my theory to explain the correlation.

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Posted: 13 years ago
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This is interesting:



August babies are less likely to go on to top universities, says study
Researchers say August babies underperform compared with older children in their school year throughout their working lives
• Get the data

August babies are less likely to go to top universities, a study has found. They are more likely to study vocational courses. Photograph: Andrew Fox/Alamy
Jessica Shepherd, education correspondent
The Guardian, Tue 1 Nov 2011 00.01 GMT
Children born in August, the youngest in each school year, are less likely to go on to study at top universities than their older classmates, a thinktank study has found.
Researchers at the Institute for Fiscal Studies (IFS) examined whether there was a link between the month in which a child is born and what they tend to do when they leave school.
They studied three data sets, which represent the records of 48,500 children and teenagers in England. They found children born in August were 20% less likely than their classmates born 11 months earlier. in September, to go to Russell Group universities – the top flight that includes Oxford and Cambridge. They were more likely to study vocational courses instead.
Claire Crawford, one of the authors of the study, said August-born children may "end up doing worse than September-born children throughout their working lives, simply because of the month in which they were born".
"Studying for academic qualifications, attending a Russell Group university, and believing that you have control over your own life are all associated with a greater chance of being in work and having higher wages later in life," she said.
A previous study by the IFS, published in 2007, showed August-born children were significantly less likely to be academically successful than their September-born classmates. The latest study – Does When You Are Born Matter? – found parents tried to compensate for any potential disadvantage by reading to August-born children more. But they began to help them catch up only after the children started school.
The researchers found teachers were two and a half times more likely to regard August pupils at seven as below-average in maths. While 63% of teachers deemed September pupils "very ready" to start secondary school when they were nearing the end of their last year at primary school, only 49% did for August children. The researchers said this might imply that there needs to be extra help for August children to make an easy transition between school stages.
August children were less likely to be confident in their academic abilities than their September peers and twice as likely at seven to report that they have been bullied.
The study found the differences were at their most stark at primary school. Children in England start primary school in the September following their fourth birthday. The researchers said it could be that September-born children are significantly older than their August-born classmates when they sit national tests.
Ellen Greaves, another of the authors, said the government "should be concerned about the wider educational experience of summer-born children, who appear to be at a disadvantage in terms of their wellbeing as well as their test scores".
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Perhaps August borms are already intelligent and do not need to go to the U. 😆
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Posted: 13 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades

It appears that research shows those born in Summer are less likely to go to a University. It is there in the statistics of when children were born and how much they studied. Seems like a load of bull doesn't it. How could being born in a particular season determine the future of a child? There doesn't appear to be any logical reason why summer births inhibit a child's education. What we have is a correlation. The trick is to figure what is the causation. But what arises the curiosity in me is what could have triggered their brain's to come up with such a hypothesis, since there are many living proof out there which contradicts the statement. lol.

So Levitt & Dubner, I tried to think if there was an external reason that makes summer born kids less likely to go to a University. Based on North American culture, that is prevalent in many parts of the western world I have a probable theory that could explain this correlation.

Summer months are June, July, August.(In North America) That means the children were conceived in the October-January period. Many of these pregnancies happen to be the following
- Unwanted or unplanned pregnancies following drunken debauchery on Halloween, New Years, Christmas parties etc.
- Boredom pregnancies or winter babies where people conceive because there is nothing else to do
- Pregnancies amidst laid off construction or farm labor or similar blue collar families
- Busy executives who are heavily committed to work tend to conceive only during the 'holidays' when they actually spend a day or two with family

The first two groups make poor parents that tend to be irresponsible so their children are less likely to be raised with incentives to go to college. The third category is less likely to be able to afford college and tend to have their kids work in the same fields as parents. The fourth category even though well to do often tends to ignore children leading to rebellious children less likely to go to college. These groups create summer children who are less likely to go to University.

Whether one goes to college or not depends on parents or upbringing, NOT the season one was born in. It just so happens that parents less likely to have college going kids are more likely to give birth in summer - creating the correlation between summer births and not going to college. I am in consent to your thoughts. Parent's and upbringing play a major role in depending where one goes to university or not. Some parent's are very dedicated and want their children to achieve the best, while others are not so bothered - that itself is another question to ponder over about and its causes can be generated by numerous reasons.

Should a summer born be worried - not at all. If you were born to the right parents, they will do everything to get you a good upbringing and education. Even if you were born on the wrong side of the tracks or to the wrong parents, if you are smart and capable you can and will go to college irrespective of who your parents were or when you were born.

Of course this is just my theory to explain the correlation.


Your explanation in response to the correlation is very much understandable and agreeable. It does make a whole lot of sense as well and are interlinked to some extent. Researchers are just basing their findings on mere statistics and some controversial points here and there, but what they are failing to do is look at an individuals external and internal factors. If we look at bronfenbrener's ecological systems theory - he looks into a person's external and internal factor and states that an individuals development are influenced by several environmental factors. These include the Mesosystem, Exosystem , Macrosystem and chronosystem.

  • 'Mesosystem: Refers to relations between microsystems or connections between contexts. Examples are the relation of family experiences to school experiences, school experiences to church experiences, and family experiences to peer experiences. For example, children whose parents have rejected them may have difficulty developing positive relations with teachers.
  • Exosystem: Involves links between a social setting in which the individual does not have an active role and the individual's immediate context. For example, a husband's or child's experience at home may be influenced by a mother's experiences at work. The mother might receive a promotion that requires more travel, which might increase conflict with the husband and change patterns of interaction with the child.
  • Macrosystem: Describes the culture in which individuals live. Cultural contexts include developing and industrialized countries, socioeconomic status, poverty, and ethnicity. A child, his or her parent, his or her school, and his or her parent's workplace are all part of a large cultural context. Members of a cultural group share a common identity, heritage, and values. The macrosystem evolves over time, because each successive generation may change the macrosystem, leading to their development in a unique macrosystem.
  • Chronosystem: The patterning of environmental events and transitions over the life course, as well as sociohistorical circumstances. For example, divorces are one transition. Researchers have found that the negative effects of divorce on children often peak in the first year after the divorce. By two years after the divorce, family interaction is less chaotic and more stable. As an example of sociohistorical circumstances, consider how the opportunities for women to pursue a career have increased during the last thirty years'

If researchers are in need of finding reliable evidence to proof their theory, they should look into other important factors and not look into seasons itself...


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