Gandhiji Vs Bhagat Singh - Page 11

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

6 Maruti Suzuki Automobiles India Limited. Subsidary India 70.00%

this is what i found in their annual report last year...😊

Did you check the shareholding pattern, it says 54.21% belongs to corporate holdings, which is Suzuki.

Originally posted by: souro

Italy has a much higher Per Capita Income than India. Italy is much smaller than India in respect of both area and population, so it's small wonder that it's GDP is lower.

yes maybe we are even below pakistan i guess....😆

Originally posted by: chatbuster

am amazed u'd find that Pakistan MFN conclusion with anything i said. pray, cld u elaborate how u made that wild jump?

as for Japan, so now we're getting into quality of life metrics? not that your statement is very accurate when u look at various studies, but tell it to the folks in India who're too poor. when u need bread on the table, u'll get rid of that nice culture and all those head-turning raagas and quality of life issues in a hurry. whatever ur personal views on economic growth, IMO its still as good a policy to pursue as any.

and yes, underdevelopment is one of the legacies of the Gandhi self-reliance mind-set, which current policies post-1990 are trying to reverse😊

U need a big brother to look imposing - right now USA is big brother to both China and pakistan which works in their favor and so they would register a better economic picture than india.. the question is do we want to do that?

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

6 Maruti Suzuki Automobiles India Limited. Subsidary India 70.00%

this is what i found in their annual report last year...😊

I've PMed you the link to Maruti Udyogs shareholding pattern page, please do check it.😊

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

U need a big brother to look imposing - right now USA is big brother to both China and pakistan which works in their favor and so they would register a better economic picture than india.. the question is do we want to do that?

erm, big brother in debt of trillions of its younger brother? by the time of your post and my post, a few millions $$$ got added

And if we go by "money rules the world" the younger brother is going to be whipping the elder brother's behind pretty soon😉(literally and figuratively speaking if you consider both the younger brothers😆😆)

I would rather be India right now, rather than US, China or Pakistan if you take the current socio-economic terrain, thanks to Narsimha Rao, AB Vajapayee and Manmohan Singh(interesting, no Gandhi or Nehru in there😉)

now please contine on with your regularly scheduled economic meet😃

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Originally posted by: sareg

erm, big brother in debt of trillions of its younger brother? by the time of your post and my post, a few millions $$$ got added

And if we go by "money rules the world" the younger brother is going to be whipping the elder brother's behind pretty soon😉(literally and figuratively speaking if you consider both the younger brothers😆😆)

I would rather be India right now, rather than US, China or Pakistan if you take the current socio-economic terrainRight thats waht i am saying, thanks to Narsimha Rao, AB Vajapayee and Manmohan Singh(interesting, no Gandhi or Nehru in there😉) - Cos they are not there so? If they were there they could have done better possibly....Dont compare their acheivements in a different time frame to their abilities in the current.. They understood the need of the moment...which is more important..

now please contine on with your regularly scheduled economic meet😃

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Originally posted by: chatbuster

am amazed u'd find that Pakistan MFN conclusion with anything i said. pray, cld u elaborate how u made that wild jump?

as for Japan, so now we're getting into quality of life metrics? not that your statement is very accurate when u look at various studies, but tell it to the folks in India who're too poor. when u need bread on the table, u'll get rid of that nice culture and all those head-turning raagas and quality of life issues in a hurry. whatever ur personal views on economic growth, IMO its still as good a policy to pursue as any.

and yes, underdevelopment is one of the legacies of the Gandhi self-reliance mind-set, which current policies post-1990 are trying to reverse😊

All the gains of post 1990 u see are related to two words IT boom. remove it from the picture and you will be back to you pre-90 dismal picture despite all other indutries pitching in.... Gandhi or anybody else have veri little to do with it...😊 Yes we did have economic reform and invited coke and others to india again...

Regarding the continual economic upsurge at a frenzied pace in the country which is largely and mostly attributed to IT off-shoring and BPO - much of it is a part of self-reliance - see home-grown talent and which conforms by MKG's priciple... 😊

Originally posted by: qwertyesque

All the gains of post 1990 u see are related to two words IT boom. remove it from the picture and you will be back to you pre-90 dismal picture despite all other indutries pitching in.... Gandhi or anybody else have veri little to do with it...😊 Yes we did have economic reform and invited coke and others to india again...

Regarding the continual economic upsurge at a frenzied pace in the country which is largely and mostly attributed to IT off-shoring and BPO - much of it is a part of self-reliance - see home-grown talent and which conforms by MKG's priciple... 😊

haha, we seem to be getting deeper into economic aspects and farther away from the thread. maybe this shld be the topic for another debate- it wld be interesting to see how we spin ourselves out of saying that we are better off today than we were before when we had the Gandhi-type economic policies ie. small-scale cottage industries which cant compete with large-scale set-ups, socialist economic philosophy and the corresponding reliance on the Soviets and medieval-era barter arrangements, self-reliance to the point of paranoia etc.

btw, let's not keep adjusting the Gandhi self-reliance mentality till we find something that works. self-reliance ala Gandhi essentially meant being totally self-reliant in almost all ways and cutting ourselves off from others in the world. it meant not only growing your own pot, but smoking it too. 😉now, we are more integrated with others. and that has paid off, in terms of generally fast-rising standards of living, easier communication via cell phones, improving infrastucture, housing, medical facilities etc. Perhaps the initial driver was ITO/ BPO services, but today it is real estate, steel and various consumer industries as well, which often is the case in thriving economies after we reach take-off.

IMO u might have better luck questioning the cultural aspects of the post MG-transformation, not the economic ones.😊

Originally posted by: chatbuster

haha, we seem to be getting deeper into economic aspects and farther away from the thread. maybe this shld be the topic for another debate- it wld be interesting to see how we spin ourselves out of saying that we are better off today than we were before when we had the Gandhi-type economic policies ie. small-scale cottage industries which cant compete with large-scale set-ups, socialist economic philosophy and the corresponding reliance on the Soviets and medieval-era barter arrangements, self-reliance to the point of paranoia etc.

btw, let's not keep adjusting the Gandhi self-reliance mentality till we find something that works. self-reliance ala Gandhi essentially meant being totally self-reliant in almost all ways and cutting ourselves off from others in the world. it meant not only growing your own pot, but smoking it too British were making india a dumping market and his self-reliance was in response to the need of the moment although he wore dhoti dont forget he travelled to foreign countries when most indians couldnt speak english . 😉now, we are more integrated with others. and that has paid off, in terms of generally fast-rising standards of living, easier communication via cell phones, improving infrastucture, housing, medical facilities etc. Perhaps the initial driver was ITO/ BPO services, This is the CORE everything else is to keep IT /BPO guys from feeling overly arrogant but today it is real estate what suddenly people have woken out of sleep to buy houses and build malls.. this is a direct result again of the above too since buying power is increased... real-estate in bangalore is soaring high.. is it because people are not finding a roof ovee their head!!!!??? IT set the ball rolling , steel and various consumer industries as well dont fool yourself.. just take out IT and see what happens to the economy no one there to buy houses, no one there to buy that expensive consumer crap...😆, which often is the case in thriving economies after we reach take-off...... Dont talk like a politician infact a communist... As a team lead you are talking about a team effort when in reality there was one ace in your team who must have done that single-handedly?

IT boom had no pro-active political involvement..or a drastic realization on any policy its what americans figured out on their own..

IMO u might have better luck questioning the cultural aspects of the post MG-transformation, not the economic ones.😊 Really if above arguments dont convince you then nothing will .. heard of the saying.."people can be convinced against their senses not their will"

in terms of leadership styles, Bhagat Singh's was a more entreprenurial, go-it-alone style. leadership by example, self-sacrifice, with a pro-active plan. Gandhi's was more persuasion and extracting the lowest common denominator across different segments of the masses. in general, if one had to choose, one might prefer the Gandhi method of taking people along on your decisions. only thing then is that the plan better be a good one. problem was that Gandhiji's plan, if any, was a painstakingly slow one. not sure also that it wasn't just a series of adhoc reactions to various events along the way. 😊 not sure also that it didnt leave us with a lot of ideological baggage😊