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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: hindu4lyf

Anyone else feel like they're back in kindergarten? Grow up people! Out of all the possible blah blah conversations in DM, never did I expect there to be a discussion on integers!

*grabs bag of popcorn* kidding! :P



I don't know. I'm a weirdo. I think of Britney Spears. 😆

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-sxSd1uwoU[/YOUTUBE]
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Posted: 13 years ago
Next topic of discussion! A catastrophe that could stop the earth from spinning and fling us all in the air. How does Justin get a duet with Mariah Carey?

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGFNmEOntFA[/YOUTUBE]
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: Arwen.

On most points there aren't any/minor points of difference... but u decide your path depending on a)the scholar whose teachings you follow OR b) do your own study of the available material and decide which one makes most sense (to you)

Is it the right path? we sort of leave it up to fate 😆

Yes i m Shia .. But about the above ... its not dismissed merely bcos u dislike it... There tend to be discrepancies ... hadiths contradicting each other ... different interpretations of pretty much the same word/event .. eg reason for Shia sect's emergence? Shias believe that at Ghadir, Prophet Mohammad declared Ali to be the Caliph after his death .. Sunnis don't dispute the event.. they say that Prophet said Ali is his friend...

I honestly don't know much about Ayesha .. but just before the post was closed for the first time ... some member posted stuff which seems to dispute the historical authenticity of those hadiths attributed to Aisha about her age... So when there are contradictions.. u go with what makes most sense to you.. and your own inherent faith



I'm not too familiar with Shia Hadeeths, the main contention between the Sunnis and Shias is over the issue of succession as you mentioned, as a result, the Shia's reject narrations that have not come from Ali or members of Muhammad's family.

However, as far as Sunni Islam is concerned, there is no disagreement over Aisha's age, Sahih Bukhari, Sahih Muslim and Sunan Abu Dawud are all unanimous with regards Aisha's age at consummation.

There is also a Quranic verse which specifies the iddah term for a girl who has not yet started menstruation, which implies that child marriages were acceptable by society at the time.


Originally posted by: Arwen.

have they 😕? Minimum age is from the onset of menses 😕



Not quite, in premodern times, the concept of puberty differed amongst cultures, it was a culturally subjective term, and different societies defined puberty in different ways.

In Islam, a girl can attain puberty in four ways:

1 - Nocturnal emissions (wet dreams)
2 - Hair growth around the private parts
3 - Reaching the age of fifteen
4 - Menstruation

If any of those signs manifest, she is considered pubescent. So in theory, a girl can be considered pubescent even before she has started menstruation, and thus eligible for consummation.

Originally posted by: Arwen.

U mean other than the faith aspect? I know i don't have much to go on after that😆 I do remember reading that most of the verses were present in their textual form even during the life of Mohammad (PBUH) (though those texts are lost now) and i dont think there have been changes in the text of Quran from the earliest discovered copies till now ... so like Jews and Christians out there... i could say that even if Quran isn't in its original form now (which us Muslims inherently don't agree with 😆) i'll make do with what is available 😛




I said it was compiled into a book form decades after Muhammad's death. During Muhammad's lifetime, bits and pieces of the Quran were indeed written on perishable materials, which were ultimately lost, most of it was supposedly memorised. However, the compilation of the Quran into a single book happened much later.

During the reign of Uthman, there were many different versions of the Quran floating around, and Muslims disagreed over which verses were authentic, as a result, Uthman initiated a project to compile the Quran into one written book form, and to destroy all the other copies.

Also, the Sana'a manuscripts discovered in the 70's in Yemen, believed to be the oldest existent version of the Quran available, already shows discrepancies between that and the version of the Quran we have today.
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Posted: 13 years ago


Weren't you? I thought in both threads you were trying to have your say but got shut down. My bad if I assumed incorrectly.
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: return_to_hades


Weren't you? I thought in both threads you were trying to have your say but got shut down. My bad if I assumed incorrectly.


Ooops, my bad. I misundertood it.
Although in the Islam thread I deliberately didn't try to say much.

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Posted: 13 years ago
Dmn...the only thing worse than sitting on a cold toilet seat is sitting on a warm one...
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Posted: 13 years ago

Originally posted by: souro


Ooops, my bad. I misundertood it.
Although in the Islam thread I deliberately didn't try to say much.

Islam thread title could have been better phrased.
It seemed offensive and I did not like the disrespect shown to the prophet.
Some saints too have certain bad habits but I guess their good points more than makes up for the lapses.
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Posted: 13 years ago
@Cunning - Shias don't think much of Ayesha anyway 😛 So i don't know if they even find the need to have a consensus on her age and all 😛

I didn't even know about the ayat about iddah 😳

I know that Quran was compiled after the death of Prophet Mohammad .. that's why i mentioned the faith aspect 😆 faith that the version which was preserved and passed down is the true one ... how it will turn out... who knows ... but there was consensus in his own time that the version Usman had compiled was the true one ... The discrepancies (aka different versions) mostly stemmed from stuff like different pronunciations and such ... From what little i know... there haven't been any major changes over the centuries... at most there is a difference in spelling and pronunciations.. some differences in the order of verses etc... Nothing drastically different like one would expect u know ... That verses which are present in Sana Manuscript are not present in the current ones etc...

I read about Sana's Manuscript a while back... and searched on the net as well .. I wasn't able to find anyone who says that there are major differences in the version present today and the older manuscripts preserved around the world ... most they said was differences in pronunciation etc... If u know differently than please share 😊 I would like to read it 😊

@RTH - There are critical evaluations and all ... people choose for themselves which path they want to follow ...even if for them the path is to go back to the time and age when Quran was revealed ...

Do u really think that i was being supportive of polygamy and all or supporting just because it was already being written here that its wrong 😉 and hence being contrary just for the heck of it 😆? Change has to come from within ... I won't change just because everyone around me is telling me that i m wrong ... Same with Islam ... and i suppose its the same with all religions

EDIT: I m tired of discussing religon and all though .. i come online because there is alot of stuff in my life about which i should be serious .. so when i come online or watch tv... i go for the frivolous 😆

EDIT: i went through my earlier posts ... woah at the spelling mistakes and omissions 😆😆😆
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Posted: 13 years ago

@Arwen - Of course for each their own path. Some things from the past are good. Some things however from the past go against the grain of humanity and modern day ethics like cruel and unusual punishment, slavery, hate crimes, child marriage, and we ought to question it.

Change comes from within, but no change comes up unless someone asks questions. Every progressive change in the history of man has come because someone asked questions, and not all questions came from within. It is true for every religion, every society, every culture.

Most importantly the role of intellect and conscience tells us that religion, custom, tradition, holy men are not infallible or above questioning. Sure you have the right and freedom to believe and do what you want, even if it means dancing at midnight around the maple tree, but people also reserve the right and freedom to ask you "W*F that is so stupid, why the heck do you do that and for what reason".

Hopefully, there are no mapletreedanceathonists on the forum to take offence to that.

Ai'ght if its enough of religion for you, let me divert to a question from the radio talk show this morning – If your best friend had a super major crush on your boyfriend/husband would you continue to be friends with them?

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Posted: 13 years ago
.just heard on CNN...that Lady Gaga paid a visit to White House to discuss their bullying campaign...she is against bullying obviously👍🏼...but the highlight was her 7 inches platform heels that she was wearing...so instead of the bullying part...the news focussed on her heels...why does gaga have to do something that would take away the focus from something good that she is doing to what she is wearing...beats me...🤔

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