polygamy and Purdah - Woman's view? - Page 3

Originally posted by: Vishesh

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u wrote a very good essay..
urs thoughts are amazing

👏 👏 👏

thanx, but you can give full cridit to Dr.zakir naik....

i dnt think its there in the muslim religion..as far as i know .....i asked my friends in school today...even they said it not..so 😛

Originally posted by: guess_gallery

1. Definition of Polygamy

Polygamy means a system of marriage whereby one person has more than onespouse. Polygamy can be of two types. One is polygyny where a man marriesmore than one woman, and the other is polyandry, where a woman marriesmore than one man. In Islam, limited polygyny is permitted; whereas polyandryis completely prohibited.

Now coming to the original question, why is a man allowed to have more than one wife?

2. The Qur'an is the only religious scripture in the world that says,"marry only one".

The Qur'an is the only religious book, on the face of this earth, that contains the phrase 'marry only one'. There is no other religious book that instructs men to have only one wife. In none of the other religious scriptures, whether it be the Vedas, the Ramayan, the Mahabharat, the Geeta, the Talmud or the Bible does one find a restriction on the number of wives. According to these scriptures one can marry as many as one wishes. It was only later, that the Hindu priests and the Christian Church restricted the number of wives to one.Many Hindu religious personalities, according to their scriptures, had multiple wives. King Dashrat, the father of Rama, had more than one wife. Krishna had several wives.

In earlier times, Christian men were permitted as many wives as they wished, since the Bible puts no restriction on the number of wives. It was only a few centuries ago that the Church restricted the number of wives to one.Polygyny is permitted in Judaism. According to Talmudic law, Abraham had three wives, and Solomon had hundreds of wives. The practice of polygyny continued till Rabbi Gershom ben Yehudah (960 C.E to 1030 C.E) issued an edict against it. The Jewish Sephardic communities living in Muslim countries continued the practice till as late as 1950, until an Act of the Chief Rabbinate of Israel extended the ban on marrying more than one wife.

(*Interesting Not

e:- As per the 1975 census of India Hindus are more polygynous than Muslims. The report of the 'Committee of The Status ofWoman in Islam', published in 1975 mentions on page numbers 66 and 67 that the percentage of polygamous marriages between the years 1951 and 1961

3. Qur'an permits limited polygyny

As I mentioned earlier, Qur'an is the only religious book on the face of the earth that says 'marry only one'. The context of this phrase is the following verse from Surah Nisa of the Glorious Qur'an:

"Marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one."

[Al-Qur'an 4:3]

Before the Qur'an was revealed, there was no upper limit for polygyny and many men had scores of wives, some even hundreds. Islam put an upper limit of four wives. Islam gives a man permission to marry two, three or four women, only on the condition that he deals justly with them.In the same chapter i.e. Surah Nisa verse 129 says:

"Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women...."

[Al-Qur'an 4:129]

4. Average life span of females is more than that of males

By nature males and females are born in pproximately the same ratio. A female child has more immunity than a male child. A female child can fight the germs and diseases better than the male child. For this reason, during the pediatric age itself there are more deaths among males as compared to the females.

During wars, there are more men killed as compared to women. More men die due to accidents and diseases than women. The average life span of females is more than that of males, and at any given time one finds more widows in the world than widowers.

5)India has more male population than female due to femalefoeticide and infanticide

India is one of the few countries, along with the other neighbouring countries, in which the female population is less than the male population. The reason lies in the high rate of female infanticide in India, and the fact that more than one million female foetuses are aborted every year in this country, after they are identified as females. If this evil practice is stopped, then India too will have more females as compared to males.

6). World female population is more than male population

In the USA, women outnumber men by 7.8 million. New York alone has one million more females as compared to the number of males, and of the male population of New York one-third are gays i.e sodomites. The U.S.A as a whole has more than twenty-five million gays. This means that these people do not wish to marry women. Great Britain has four million more females as compared to males. Germany has five million more females as compared to males. Russia has nine million more females than males. God alone knows how many million more females there are in the whole world as compared to males.

7)Restricting each and every man to have only one wife is not practical

Even if every man got married to one woman, there would still be more than thirty million females in U.S.A who would not be able to get husbands (considering that America has twenty five million gays). There would be more than four million females in Great Britain, 5 million females in Germany and nine million females in Russia alone who would not be able to find a husband. Suppose my sister happens to be one of the unmarried women living in USA, or suppose your sister happens to be one of the unmarried women in USA. The only two options remaining for her are that she either marries a man who already has a wife or becomes 'public property'. There is no other option. All those who are modest will opt for the first.

sorry no intension to hurt any one..

No one is hurt. Though it would be nice if you did not pass on Dr Zakir Naik's views as your own.....or at least added or modified it....it's normal to take help from the net and add a few things to your own views 😉😆

Thanks Vishesh for bringing it to my notice...😛

Just to answer this long essay in one short para: The holy books often say things which are good for the mankind; however they are suited for the certain eras. Not being self sufficient was one of the reason where females felt forced to share their husbands.

If things worked so simply, then we would find ALL the men

1) either married

2) If not married then having scores of girlfriends falling over each other to gain at any available man's attention.....

3) There would be no need of any brothels, and there would be no rape, no sex related assaults by men; why would it, with so much of available abundance.....

That it does not happen that way, that you still find Romeos stalking girls all over the world tell an entirely different story all together.

One more fact that has been over looked in the study by Mr Naik is the fact that women outlive men. That accounts for the ratio imbalance in most parts of the world. If we go by numerous other studies, which have been done among both men and women in the age group of 13 to 60, more popularly known as the economically active population, the ratio is not that lopsided. Most of the individual studies have shown the ratio being 49:51. The female ratio largely supercedes men past the age of 65. At that point, women aren't exactly in 'preying' stage....

Originally posted by: guess_gallery

the male population of New York one-third are gays i.e sodomites. The U.S.A as a whole has more than twenty-five million gays.

Secondly, Mr Nair has conviniently excluded the large number of lesbian population from his study. Also, none of the studies so far exactly has been able to pin down the exact number of gay/lesbians in any society. I wonder how Mr Zakir Naik arrived at the 25 million number .

On the funny side, the male female ratio has been a problem everywhere, mainly due to war. Most of the matriarchal societies are based on this premise. As there are more women, and the men arn't around to take care anyway, women rule 😆.

Originally posted by: Minnie

women rule 😆.

😆yes we do😃

Originally posted by: hazelgirl

i dnt think its there in the muslim religion..as far as i know .....i asked my friends in school today...even they said it not..so 😛

😳i didnt know first, but it is😃

Originally posted by: Believe

minne..In hindus, whether it be the Vedas, the Ramayan, the Mahabharat, the Geeta, the Talmud or the Bible does one find a restriction on the number of wives. According to these scriptures one can marry as many as one wishes. It was only later, that the Hindu priests and the Christian Church restricted the number of wives to one. ....Many Hindu religious personalities, according to their scriptures, had multiple wives. King Dashrat, the father of Rama, had more than one wife. Krishna had several wives....In earlier times, Christian men were permitted as many wives as they wished, since the Bible puts no restriction on the number of wives....and you said.."since polygamy is banned by law for the Hindus,an increasing number of Hindu men had been showing a propensity to convert to Islam whenever they wanted a second wife. " its not true.......am not supporting multiple wives but just point out that in hindu religion its not restricted bt indian law is restricted.

Beleive, for once you write something, it has to be smething ripped off from an article.....😆

WHERE did I say that polygamy was banned by scriptures? READ. I DID NOT say it was banned by scriptures, I said it was banned by LAW, specifically by the Hindu Marriage Act passed in 1956.

Before that, Hindu men were allwowed to take multiple wives, and many men married many times, mostly becasue in those days having an unmarried girl over 13 in the house both in the Hindu and the muslim society was a stigma, so the parents of both communities married their girls off to whoever was availble, no matter how old. In those days, female mortality was high too due to death by didease or child birth, so men often lost wives and so remarried many times. Still, having more than one wife at a time was not really a norm even in those days. Can you think or know of anyone in your grandfather or greatgrandfather's time having more than one wife at the same time? I am not talking of remarriage after the demise of the first wife, but polygamy.

Thx Minnie for clearing our some facts that Vinu depicted that had been taken from some place as usual .

Let Me add Polygamy and polyandry may have been prevalent in ancient India , but it is doubtfull whether they were ever poplular in the public opinion. It was mostly practised by warrior castes or rich merchants . Hindu gods were also depicted as polygamous , but the goddesses were not actually wives in the physical sense but pure universal energies that assist god to mantain dharma in the universe. They did not possess physical bodies and can't apear in human form.

These days, present Hindu considers both polygamy and polyandry as primitive. In India , Hindus acknowledge polygamy as both illegal and immoral !!

There is no point in digging up ancient practises that are not relevant in the society today and discussing the issue on hand . In Islam , its still legal to have more than one wife and thats the issue we are discussing . In Hindu , more than one wife has been outlawed long ago . So lets not discuss whats not viable anymore.

Regarding the polygamous marriages that are legal in India and some other Islamic countries as they are OK per Islamic law. This is something that I learnt from a friend. It could be a different take as he is Shia and I dont know the slight variations between their culture and the Sunni culture, though Islam is one to all.

Now olden times took men to war and death prevailed over men as it often does in war depite heroism. This left several women, widowed, fatherless and childless.

To tackle this as women were not considered independant to take care of themselves or their families, men were allowed to take more than one woman as either their wife, sister, mother or child. This idea was to lend support and allow the family some respite.
Though the rest are almost non prevalent in today's times marital law reflects this still in Islam.

My views.

I do not see this as wrong at all. Polygamy is OK if all the people that indulge in it and are part of it are OK with it. If a man (or woman for that matter) wanted to live with or fall in love with or have an affair with or a one night stand with someone, the first and most important mental roadblock not to do this is his wife or children. If that is not reason enough they would go ahead and indulge in it, law or no law.

I would desire that in matters of the heart the government has no business. Only one's family and concsiense must impose restrictions in such matters.

But alas, our's is not an ideal and romantic world and such laws surely help provide the family some structure and lesser insecuity as not everyone is secure enough to feel at peace with seeing her husband in bed with someone else. I couldnt do it.

Originally posted by: Rindam

Regarding the polygamous marriages that are legal in India and some other Islamic countries as they are OK per Islamic law. This is something that I learnt from a friend. It could be a different take as he is Shia and I dont know the slight variations between their culture and the Sunni culture, though Islam is one to all.

Now olden times took men to war and death prevailed over men as it often does in war depite heroism. This left several women, widowed, fatherless and childless.

To tackle this as women were not considered independant to take care of themselves or their families, men were allowed to take more than one woman as either their wife, sister, mother or child. This idea was to lend support and allow the family some respite.
Though the rest are almost non prevalent in today's times marital law reflects this still in Islam.

My views.

I do not see this as wrong at all. Polygamy is OK if all the people that indulge in it and are part of it are OK with it. If a man (or woman for that matter) wanted to live with or fall in love with or have an affair with or a one night stand with someone, the first and most important mental roadblock not to do this is his wife or children. If that is not reason enough they would go ahead and indulge in it, law or no law.

I would desire that in matters of the heart the government has no business. Only one's family and concsiense must impose restrictions in such matters.

But alas, our's is not an ideal and romantic world and such laws surely help provide the family some structure and lesser insecuity as not everyone is secure enough to feel at peace with seeing her husband in bed with someone else. I couldnt do it.

Rindam i disagree ," NOW AS LONG AS YOUR RELIGON- ISLAM SAYS O.K'S IT . I HAVE NO BUSINESS OR A SAY IN A RELIGOUS MATTER "

But as long as its otherwise for a Hindu . It is neccessary the Goverment takes action JUST TO PROTECT THE INTEREST OF THE WOMAN !!!! In a polygamous relationship , how many men in India will actually heed his wife's views . The woman in India are being empowered by our Indian laws . If it was n't for them ........men would have been happily doing as he wishes , taking as many wives , asking their daughters in law to perform sati , or making demands against women that suppress them !!Most often in a polygamous relationship , very few are absolutely O.K with it . Many have no choice since the law or society permits . Very few woman with any self respect would share her man as long as she is alive .

Well, for me personally, if my husband were to mentally be with someone else but with me physically and financially and such, then no that is not enough for me. I want everything or nothing at all. I think a woman should be able to fend for herself and her own if the need arises. I think a woman must be able to think for herself if she wants to be in such a relationship at all. Government must influence her decision with awareness and education not think for her by passing laws.

The government must have laws that support a woman that protect in more than just sexual preferences of men. I think polyandry should be allowed too along with polygamy. I think it's alright.

Women's rights must be dealt with on an individual basis. Sati, wife beating, alcoholism everything is different. Different laws for different crimes. Killing your wife or someone else's wife vs. cheating on your wife is different.

Like have a law that states, if you are going to take a second wife, you will have to pay your first wife so much amount for life, she gets her paycheck and keeps her marraige too, atleast on paper if she cares at all by this point. Once its about money people seem to automatically fall into place. Police them with money, not with legal jargon, it doesnt work that well anyway.