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Posted: 19 years ago
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Thanks for the interesting facts on how polygamy came in to being .
Goth princess 😆 Sweety there is so much for you to still learn , am glad this forum helps. 😊

Another question - polygamy - Does any one know a first wife ? How does she feel about her hubby's second ?

My experience , in India , my Chairman - who was a Muslim of a multiNational( won't mention details as his name is famous) . Had a Sikh wife( not converted ) and a hindu second wife . All we know is that he lived with wife No:2 , and wife No:1 was taken out for all official function at work .( Ofcourse lots of people giggled about "one in the hand and one in the bush" . One is displayed as a trophy and another one is a working wife . I knew wife no:1 very well . ( i couldn't ask her personal stuff) but always wondered what she felt)

purdah question - Is it mandatory in Pakistani schools and Colleges for girls to wear them ?

P.S - Thanks for being understanding and not misundersatnding my intention to know the other culture. 😳
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Posted: 19 years ago
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well, im still learning, but im only little yet 😳
i dont know if u have to do purdah in Pakistani schools and Colleges, but most ppl would wear atleast a head scarf
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Posted: 19 years ago
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well, i know one person who had more than one wife, but wen she found out she divorced him, and he wasnt treated her fairly, im sure he wanted divorce, he would beat her etc. so i guess thats a sin, right cos he was suppose to treat them equally and dop wotever he could for both of them
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: Aparna_BD


purdah question - Is it mandatory in Pakistani schools and Colleges for girls to wear them ?

LOL aparna di...NO!!...haha i went 2 pak over da summer and its no way near wat i thot it wud b like...lol...maybe cuz i went 2 a big city (karachi) i dunno if such things r done in rural areas but in karachi its not mandatory

Purdah means covering its a general term...by wearing it do u mean da loong burka coat? or da whole veil and everything? or jus a hijab(head-scarf)

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: ~PaKi*PrInCeZ~

LOL aparna di...NO!!...haha i went 2 pak over da summer and its no way near wat i thot it wud b like...lol...maybe cuz i went 2 a big city (karachi) i dunno if such things r done in rural areas but in karachi its not mandatory

Purdah means covering its a general term...by wearing it do u mean da loong burka coat? or da whole veil and everything? or jus a hijab(head-scarf)



Sorry Jav , dear i probably sound like once this boy i was tutoring in a homeless shelter "asked me ," aren't you supposed to be wearing that thingy on your head ....like some cloth". I have no idea what he meant , what was he confusing me with .....some turban wearing snake charmer may be ????!!😆😆

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Posted: 19 years ago
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lolz yea sumtymes pplz associate weird things with our culture/religion lolz itz ok u jus wanted 2 noee
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: Aparna_BD

Purdah - Islam wants the women to be covered .Are there women who cover themselves and feel covering themselves curbs their rights . Or do you feel its a good way to feel secure against one wanted stares etc . From a woman's point of view would like to hear an Islamic woman's point of view ,

OK so i think its abt time i talk abt this issue as well.....

there r certain levels 2 "purdah" and den der r da extreme cases...did u know dat technically women r NOT supposed 2 wear da veil over der faces? im sure many of u r surprised. well ders nuttin against it or in favor of it..but during Namaz prayer and Visiting da Kabah durin Hajj women cant have der face covered....so if itz not allowed durin such holy and religious events y shud it b implemented in2 daily life? im not sayin its wrong or nething jus sayin dat da veil over da face is unnecessary and makes us muslims luk opressed and stuff.

this typical image of an "opressed" Muslim woman really pisses me off...i mean not every1 is like tht and media makes ud luk soo bad.

ok i prolly sound like sum1 hus against all this but im not..lol infact i wear a hijab myself....but i dun think u need 2 go overbaod with the whole veil and burka and everything. I guess it depends on da individual's circumstances and situation..if ppl r forced 2 wear it n dey dun wanna den i guess dey c it as oppression. But i Luv it...its soo much kewler 2 b different den 2 b like every1 else..lol...i like wearing a hijab and im sure all those hu chose 2 wear it on der own feel da same way. I c it as a protection. i mean c'mon if ur walking down da street and ur all covered a weirdo stalker is less likely 2 b interested in u den sum other grl walkin beside u in a tanktop and a mini. Itz kewl cuz it also makes ppl curious abt wat it is and dey ask me stuff or ppl c it and already know im a Muslim so dey ask me questions and i luv xplainin abt mah religion 2 oda ppl its soo fun..lol (maybe dats y topics like this amuse me while others c it as a battle ground) i dun c how it can b an opression...i mean its not stoppin u frm doing nething..i wear i hijab but i still go 2 skool and will go 2 college and thn on 2 da professional world...i know many many ppl hu r successful and have dun a lot in der life and dey wear a Hijab head covering and dress Islamically...i dunno y ppl consider it a weakness...i consider it a strength

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Posted: 19 years ago
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1. Definition of Polygamy

Polygamy means a system of marriage whereby one person has more than onespouse. Polygamy can be of two types. One is polygyny where a man marriesmore than one woman, and the other is polyandry, where a woman marriesmore than one man. In Islam, limited polygyny is permitted; whereas polyandryis completely prohibited.

Now coming to the original question, why is a man allowed to have more than one wife?

2. The Qur'an is the only religious scripture in the world that says,"marry only one".

The Qur'an is the only religious book, on the face of this earth, that contains the phrase 'marry only one'. There is no other religious book that instructs men to have only one wife. In none of the other religious scriptures, whether it be the Vedas, the Ramayan, the Mahabharat, the Geeta, the Talmud or the Bible does one find a restriction on the number of wives. According to these scriptures one can marry as many as one wishes. It was only later, that the Hindu priests and the Christian Church restricted the number of wives to one.Many Hindu religious personalities, according to their scriptures, had multiple wives. King Dashrat, the father of Rama, had more than one wife. Krishna had several wives.

In earlier times, Christian men were permitted as many wives as they wished, since the Bible puts no restriction on the number of wives. It was only a few centuries ago that the Church restricted the number of wives to one.Polygyny is permitted in Judaism. According to Talmudic law, Abraham had three wives, and Solomon had hundreds of wives. The practice of polygyny continued till Rabbi Gershom ben Yehudah (960 C.E to 1030 C.E) issued an edict against it. The Jewish Sephardic communities living in Muslim countries continued the practice till as late as 1950, until an Act of the Chief Rabbinate of Israel extended the ban on marrying more than one wife.

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e:- As per the 1975 census of India Hindus are more polygynous than Muslims. The report of the 'Committee of The Status ofWoman in Islam', published in 1975 mentions on page numbers 66 and 67 that the percentage of polygamous marriages between the years 1951 and 1961

3. Qur'an permits limited polygyny

As I mentioned earlier, Qur'an is the only religious book on the face of the earth that says 'marry only one'. The context of this phrase is the following verse from Surah Nisa of the Glorious Qur'an:

"Marry women of your choice, two, or three, or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one."

[Al-Qur'an 4:3]

Before the Qur'an was revealed, there was no upper limit for polygyny and many men had scores of wives, some even hundreds. Islam put an upper limit of four wives. Islam gives a man permission to marry two, three or four women, only on the condition that he deals justly with them.In the same chapter i.e. Surah Nisa verse 129 says:

"Ye are never able to be fair and just as between women...."

[Al-Qur'an 4:129]

4. Average life span of females is more than that of males

By nature males and females are born in pproximately the same ratio. A female child has more immunity than a male child. A female child can fight the germs and diseases better than the male child. For this reason, during the pediatric age itself there are more deaths among males as compared to the females.

During wars, there are more men killed as compared to women. More men die due to accidents and diseases than women. The average life span of females is more than that of males, and at any given time one finds more widows in the world than widowers.

5)India has more male population than female due to femalefoeticide and infanticide

India is one of the few countries, along with the other neighbouring countries, in which the female population is less than the male population. The reason lies in the high rate of female infanticide in India, and the fact that more than one million female foetuses are aborted every year in this country, after they are identified as females. If this evil practice is stopped, then India too will have more females as compared to males.

6). World female population is more than male population

In the USA, women outnumber men by 7.8 million. New York alone has one million more females as compared to the number of males, and of the male population of New York one-third are gays i.e sodomites. The U.S.A as a whole has more than twenty-five million gays. This means that these people do not wish to marry women. Great Britain has four million more females as compared to males. Germany has five million more females as compared to males. Russia has nine million more females than males. God alone knows how many million more females there are in the whole world as compared to males.

7)Restricting each and every man to have only one wife is not practical

Even if every man got married to one woman, there would still be more than thirty million females in U.S.A who would not be able to get husbands (considering that America has twenty five million gays). There would be more than four million females in Great Britain, 5 million females in Germany and nine million females in Russia alone who would not be able to find a husband. Suppose my sister happens to be one of the unmarried women living in USA, or suppose your sister happens to be one of the unmarried women in USA. The only two options remaining for her are that she either marries a man who already has a wife or becomes 'public property'. There is no other option. All those who are modest will opt for the first.

sorry no intension to hurt any one..

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Posted: 19 years ago
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Its better to live alone than marry a man who already got a wife........(Provided that gal is also surviving)
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Posted: 19 years ago
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Originally posted by: Minnie

goth princess, inspite of being a muslim, you did not know of this.....this goes to show that inspite of having the liberty, albeit with restrictions, most of the muslim men do not go for a second wife, neither is it the norm. They love their woman and are mostly faithful to her, which is such a heartwarming revealation. That you have not been exposed to this fact, and those who have don't really know much about it goes on to show that it is not a universal concept celebrated by all muslims.

I beleive that even in the Hindus there are men who would go for a second wife without a blink of an eye, inspite of knowing that it is a punishable offense. Polygamy has been outlawed for centuries in the Hindu society but still the khatriya and the brahmin class practiced it rampantly. However, for the last 1000 years or so, polygamy has all but dissapeared. Now it is consitutionally outlawed in india.

Unfortunately, many Indian Hindu men tried to take advantage of the fact that the Muslim men in India are allowed to take upto four wives. There was a huge controversy few years back,most of this controversy arose from the fact that since polygamy is banned by law for the Hindus,an increasing number of Hindu men had been showing a propensity to convert to Islam whenever they wanted a second wife.


Finally, the Indian Supreme Court on the May 5, 2000 plugged this last legal loophole for good for all potential Hindu bigamists. Now, if it's found that a newly converted Muslim has embraced the faith only to embrace another wife or two, he should be prosecuted under the Hindu Marriage Act and the Indian Penal Code. Thus, bigamy for all Hindus, has been ultimately outlawed.

minne..In hindus, whether it be the Vedas, the Ramayan, the Mahabharat, the Geeta, the Talmud or the Bible does one find a restriction on the number of wives. According to these scriptures one can marry as many as one wishes. It was only later, that the Hindu priests and the Christian Church restricted the number of wives to one. ....Many Hindu religious personalities, according to their scriptures, had multiple wives. King Dashrat, the father of Rama, had more than one wife. Krishna had several wives....In earlier times, Christian men were permitted as many wives as they wished, since the Bible puts no restriction on the number of wives....and you said.."since polygamy is banned by law for the Hindus,an increasing number of Hindu men had been showing a propensity to convert to Islam whenever they wanted a second wife. " its not true.......am not supporting multiple wives but just point out that in hindu religion its not restricted bt indian law is restricted.

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