Is cancellation of IF ID good or bad? - Page 16

Originally posted by: K.Resurrected.

I apologize for not replying to individual posts.

1. If you seek refuge behind the concept of balance, you could pretty much squash any argument after that. Try that in any topic. You will know what I am talking about.

• "Uh, hmm, passion or profession huh?! Uh, hmm, it's very important to be a professional but at the same time, pursuing your passion is important too you know. Uh huh! Balance is the key. Yeah!"
• "Uh, hmm, physical love and its necessity huh?! Uh, hmm, physical love is very necessary but at the same time, mental love is very necessary too you know. Uh huh! Balance is the key. Yeah!"

2. If you seek refuge behind the concept of time, you could pretty much squash any argument after that. Try that in any topic. You will know what I am talking about.

• "Uh, hmm, Pakistan's current situation huh?! Uh, hmm, I am sure in time it will be just fine, uh huh! They survived the past you know'"
• "Uh, hmm, are Indians yet ready huh?! Uh, hmm, I am sure they are now; No? OK. I am sure in time we will be ready, uh huh! We have a great cultural past you know'"
• "Uh, hmm, is cancellation of IF ID good or bad huh?! Uh, hmm, whatever! You know. I am sure in time it will just be fine, uh huh! We survived the past you know'"

My final thoughts on this topic:

A. Acknowledging the problem is not contingent upon whether or not a fix exists for that problem.
B. Identifying the reasons behind a person's willful departure is not the same as crying buckets for him/her
C. Procrastination doesn't always work.
D. "This too shall pass" could the mantra of a defeatist as well as a Zen practitioner but if you are really a Zen practitioner, you wouldn't exactly be going giddy one minute, solemn next and back to giddy in no time.

You don't have to agree with me, you don't have to reply to my posts, you don't even have to engage in a discussion with me, but your constant dismissal of other people's opinions and/or counterarguments is extremely irritating. If you're going to engage in a discussion, the least you can do is stop dismissing every single point made by someone else as too vague, too illogical, or too mindless.

I asked you several times what exactly you were proposing here for members' whose "loved ones" left IF of their own will, and you chose not to answer each time. That's fine, its your call, but the pretentious tone so commonly found in your posts (even without the use of any emoticons) during a debate is not appreciated at all. About time someone told you this. You've earned a lot of respect from all of us on the forum, the least you can do is give us some of that respect in return.

I have a feeling that you've taken this discussion away from a general one and to a more personal one. If that is the case, then let me use your personal example to reiterate a final point. Whether or not you chose to get yourself banned or not, you were banned some time ago. People were surprised - they talked about it for a day or two. When a member noticed the red writing on your posts, there was a tone of surprise because nobody realized that you had requested that (or some form of that action). But after that, we all got over it. People moved on, discussions continued, debates followed, and although this may surprise you, perhaps even some intellectual discussions occurred in your absence. You came back on your own, nobody (from my knowledge) wrote long letters to call you back nor did they quit the forum because you weren't around anymore. Life moves on even when people go in and out of our lives. Similarly, the forum moves on with or without any one member's presence.

I'm not sure why approaches to forum interactions are being compared to approaches to forum debates. As far as I understood they are two separate realms that ought not be intertwined.

- I don't see the lack of acknowledgment as a problem. Each person acknowledges in their own way. Just because someone did not start a topic on it, does not mean they did not think of it on their own.
- Trying to identify a persons motives behind doing something is just gossip and speculation. If someone genuinely wants to express facts why they or a friend got banned, it should be done clearly. Otherwise I think we ought respect the decisions of others, and not speculate, as we don't know facts.
- I'm not sure how procrastination fits it. Its not putting off for the future. Its just setting other priorities.
- "Life goes on" is a life lesson for all that live, not a special few.

Ah, I didn't want to come back to this thread again Ajnu, having said everything I wanted to say. I don't do thousands of paragraphs and millions of words. That's not my thing. Brevity is (hopefully).

I did apologize for not replying to individual posts. That's how I opened (what was supposed to be) my last post on this thread. I don't like spelling it all out, like a 4 hour Bollywood movie. My hope is that those who are really interested in knowing what I am saying, will get it right away. May be I am wrong.

At the risk of repeating myself, I pretty much said everything there is to say. It's all there, embedded in my replies.

Since you asked me what my "solution" would be: frankly, it's up to the dev team to handle the matter. If I were a part of that team, I would probably send out follow-up emails to their in-boxes (real email addresses), find out what happened from the mod of that forum, make sure no discussions were uncivil at any point in time, make sure the mod didn't display any bias in handling all events that led up to the departure of an active member and so on. The approach would be just like that of a manager interested in keeping his A-list nice and happy. If it still doesn't work, if members continue to leave, then some policies might have to be reevaluated, feedback has to be obtained, surveys have to be conducted with a little bit of obsequiousness.

As for dismissing others' posts as illogical/mindless/vague: if you could show, in this thread, where I used any of those three words, I wouldn't mind apologizing profusely. Otherwise, I will accept your apology in advance.

@Blue-ice: I am replying to you here, lest you too go ballistic on me. My reply is that, discussions of that nature are not terribly important to me to tender an opinion or lean on one side or another.

@Shak: Thanks!!! I like you too. Now do me a favor and change the spelling in your ID to 'bobble' at the first available opportunity, before it hurts my eye any further.

@ K:

you never replied to me. you hurt my feelings. Now I won't share my millions 20 years later.

Originally posted by: old-black-joe

@ K:

you never replied to me. you hurt my feelings. Now I won't share my millions 20 years later.

millions of what? yen?

Originally posted by: K.Resurrected.

millions of what? yen?

no, enron shares. an insider buddy sold em to me for just 5000 rupees. they'll amount to a million shares after bonuses etc

Originally posted by: K.Resurrected.

Ah, I didn't want to come back to this thread again Ajnu, having said everything I wanted to say. I don't do thousands of paragraphs and millions of words. That's not my thing. Brevity is (hopefully).

I did apologize for not replying to individual posts. That's how I opened (what was supposed to be) my last post on this thread. I don't like spelling it all out, like a 4 hour Bollywood movie. My hope is that those who are really interested in knowing what I am saying, will get it right away. May be I am wrong.

At the risk of repeating myself, I pretty much said everything there is to say. It's all there, embedded in my replies.

Since you asked me what my "solution" would be: frankly, it's up to the dev team to handle the matter. If I were a part of that team, I would probably send out follow-up emails to their in-boxes (real email addresses), find out what happened from the mod of that forum, make sure no discussions were uncivil at any point in time, make sure the mod didn't display any bias in handling all events that led up to the departure of an active member and so on. The approach would be just like that of a manager interested in keeping his A-list nice and happy. If it still doesn't work, if members continue to leave, then some policies might have to be reevaluated, feedback has to be obtained, surveys have to be conducted with a little bit of obsequiousness.

As for dismissing others' posts as illogical/mindless/vague: if you could show, in this thread, where I used any of those three words, I wouldn't mind apologizing profusely. Otherwise, I will accept your apology in advance.

There is a difference between keeping things short and to the point while still addressing the issue and outright ignoring someone else's thoughts. You tend to do the latter. You need not reply to each post individually, but that still does not give you any right to dismiss points made by the rest of us in a debate.

As far as your solution is concerned, I do think that you have a very high self-esteem to consider that mods on this forum (who possibly take up this responsibility as some form of charity work) actually give a damn as to why members on a forum are leaving. Old members will leave and new members will emerge. Heck, they don't even need to wait for new members to emerge since about half the self-bans lead to those members reemerging themselves!

Just like you don't need to post "😆" to signify laughter or humor, post "👏" to applaud someone's thoughts or post "🤗" to display warmth, you also don't need to use the words illogical/mindless/vague to mock someone else's posts. Its shows in the pretentious tone with which one writes and in the haughty air in which one carries themselves.

As far as my apology is concerned, if I felt I was wrong in interpreting your pretentious tone in the first place, I wouldn't have made that post. So, please, don't allow yourself into thinking that I'm apologizing. Secondly, although I have given you due respect in the past, unlike some of the others here, I do not worship the ground you walk on. About time you realize that as well.

Originally posted by: K.Resurrected.

@Blue-ice: I am replying to you here, lest you too go ballistic on me. My reply is that, discussions of that nature are not terribly important to me to tender an opinion or lean on one side or another.

I don't know why u used the word too.......because I know you choose ur words very carefully.....no I won't go ballistic on u Mr. K unless you give me a reason to do that...I am not a part of any group....

I respect ur decision to not answer my question....just had asked it out of curiosity to know what an intellectual thinks about it...😊

Originally posted by: *Woh Ajnabee*

As far as your solution is concerned, I do think that you have a very high self-esteem to consider that mods on this forum (who possibly take up this responsibility as some form of charity work) actually give a damn as to why members on a forum are leaving. Old members will leave and new members will emerge. Heck, they don't even need to wait for new members to emerge since about half the self-bans lead to those members reemerging themselves!

In my opinion that was a very loose statement for all those who work as volunteers , for charity without charging a dime and yet put their hearts and souls in the work that they do.....
Speaking from my personal experience .....and its over the years that I have been on this forum......each and every single MOD that I've interacted with CARES and gives a damn......they do care to explain their actions.....and even if its not in my favor but I know that they do their best......and I have interacted with several of them........I had left one time over something one time and YES a mod brought me back even though nothing would have changed on this forum if I had left...
Speaking as an HR professional...when there is a mass exodus...the management SHOULD care....its different when the members are going and coming naturally but if one observes that their is a PATTERN....they should care......
When I work without pay...as a volunteer or for charity.....that does not absolve me of my duties or responsibilities...........if I don't care and give a damn.....then I should probably not take up the job...and let someone else do it.......afterall charity is done out of the goodness of ones' heart and not because someone has put a gun to ur head...

Ah it is always nice to see friends and members return, reincarnate or reborn. Thanks to Mr K Resurrected for saying hello. It felt great also to see old friend King ji or KAL. Unfortunate that some old buddies have disappeared but perhaps a long lay off has caused them to forget their own password like my good friend Born Confused😆
I notice that a new name and a new face does change things like a person acting differently when wearing an army uniform. Not that wearing the garb if a monk makes us any holier but it does make some difference and affect public perception.
But it is good that many on long protracted hiatus still keep their ID and an occasional pm meets a response.