Temples should allow non-Hindus, agree? - Page 3

Originally posted by: Brosder

There indeed is no single, definitive way of praying to God. But that doesn't mean that the prayers of Christian, Hindu or any other religion have lost their meaning. Any prayer done with purity of heart and faith is effective, that is what I believe. It's not exclusive to any one particular tradition - they're all equal, depending on how honest and devoted the person following them is.

I agree..everybody have their own freedom to believe different concept...I believe God is not a discovery, it is an invention... the other fact is In the name of religion, politics has reigned all over the world......here the belief creates such an attitude within him that he begins to feel that he knows!!😊

Let me quote you Aurobindo words: someone ask him..."Are you an atheist?"...Aurobindo said, "No."..then man said' What do you mean? You are contradicting yourself'?

Aurobindo said, "Wait a little. You aren't allowing me to say anything more than no. As soon as I say no, you start asking other things. Wait a little. I was saying that I don't believe in God because I know him. Because I know him I don't believe in him. He is. This is not a belief. This is my knowledge, my knowing."

That said, the incident in the Jagannath temple is indeed a condemnable and selfish, elitist act. As long as the person isn't doing anything explicitly disrespectful, they don't have any right to unceremoniously shove him out, much less hand him over to the police. In my city, we have people of other religions and countries visiting our temples too (prominent ones, in fact), and everyone is treated with respect.

Originally posted by: krystal_watz

its not about giving importance. its about the rules and the attitude.

i should have the right to go anywhere i want, and it is, after all, WRONG to prevent people of a certain faith from entering a place. thats the point made here.

Originally posted by: Believe

I agree..everybody have their own freedom to believe different concept...I believe God is not a discovery, it is an invention... the other fact is In the name of religion, politics has reigned all over the world......here the belief creates such an attitude within him that he begins to feel that he knows!!😊

Let me quote you Aurobindo words: someone ask him..."Are you an atheist?"...Aurobindo said, "No."..then man said' What do you mean? You are contradicting yourself'?

Aurobindo said, "Wait a little. You aren't allowing me to say anything more than no. As soon as I say no, you start asking other things. Wait a little. I was saying that I don't believe in God because I know him. Because I know him I don't believe in him. He is. This is not a belief. This is my knowledge, my knowing."

Thanks for mentioning the quote, it's very interesting. Neither does our religion claim to know everything about God. I didn't get what exactly you meant by God is an invention, but if you meant as a fictional invention of man, I respectfully disagree. But then again, that's not the purpose of our discussion in this particular thread. Religion has lately been dominated by politics indeed (and to a significantly large extent, in fact), but that doesn't mean the good values at its core have been negatively affected. That's what matters to a follower most.

Originally posted by: Brosder

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Thanks for mentioning the quote, it's very interesting. Neither does our religion claim to know everything about God. I didn't get what exactly you meant by God is an invention, but if you meant as a fictional invention of man, I respectfully disagree

God is an invention I mean....anyone can be godly....they can truthful, they should be sincere, they should be loving, they should be conscious...That makes them godly, but that does not make them God....I believe Truth is an individual experience, and it can never become a collective phenomenon....all Pht's in this word have their own individuality...their life time they keep searching the God...they never said they are the God..they experience something in their aloneness, in their silence, in their innermost shrine of being...thats why I believe the church/temple/mosque is not outside, it is within you & its a invention!!😊 But then again, that's not the purpose of our discussion in this particular thread. Religion has lately been dominated by politics indeed (and to a significantly large extent, in fact), but that doesn't mean the good values at its core have been negatively affected. That's what matters to a follower most.
Am against the blind faith....and most of religions the whole past has given them prestige, authority... nobody wants to leave power and authority... They go on manipulating humanity, exploiting human beings... they go on keeping you retarded..by the name of god they killing /using millions of people...😊

Indeed. Such rules must be dropped immediately.--😊

Originally posted by: Believe

God is an invention I mean....anyone can be godly....they can truthful, they should be sincere, they should be loving, they should be conscious...That makes them godly, but that does not make them God....I believe Truth is an individual experience, and it can never become a collective phenomenon....all Pht's in this word have their own individuality...their life time they keep searching the God...they never said they are the God..they experience something in their aloneness, in their silence, in their innermost shrine of being...thats why I believe the church/temple/mosque is not outside, it is within you!!😊

That's a respectable view, and I appreciate it. 😊

Am against the blind faith....and most of religions the whole past has given them prestige, authority... nobody wants to leave power and authority... They go on manipulating humanity, exploiting human beings... they go on keeping you retarded..by the name of god they killing /using millions of people...😊

Blind faith can indeed be a most dangerous and destructive thing. Though I'd say the selfish religious leaders out there are using this weapon rather than bowing to it themselves. They are well aware of what they are doing and using the faith of their followers to manipulate them into becoming fanatics. Considering these people representative of religion is a fallacy in itself. If people evaluated what they were doing before blindly following these leaders, I don't think the latter would retain their position or respect for long.

Originally posted by: SolidSnake

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/British-national-enters-Jagannath-Temple/articleshow/6023882.cms

[quote]PURI: A British national
who entered
the Sri Jagannath temple premises, where foreigners are barred, sent the
administration into a tizzy today.



The 25-year-old British national,
Steven Galaro, spotted by sevayats in the temple was caught and handed
over to
the police.



The tourist was handed back by the police to the temple
administration, who after thorough verification and scrutiny of let him
off,
police sources said.



The tourist was allowed to go after verification
of his antecedents as there was no rule for taking action in such cases,
a
senior official of the temple administration D P Panda said.



As
Galaro had not entered the sanctum sanctorum, temple rituals remained
unaffected, he said.[/quote]

Handed over to police? Ridiculous! time to do away with such silly rules in our temples. There are other temples also which do not allow non-Hindus (some go to the extent of not allowing Dalits..shameful!). Govt must make it legal for anyone irrespective of religion to enter our temples.

correction it should not be restricted to only temples but to all worship places. no matter which religion it is. and if its not done uniformly then leave the temple as they are and leave the decision to their authorities.

Originally posted by: Brosder

That's a respectable view, and I appreciate it. 😊



Blind faith can indeed be a most dangerous and destructive thing. Though I'd say the selfish religious leaders out there are using this weapon rather than bowing to it themselves. They are well aware of what they are doing and using the faith of their followers to manipulate them into becoming fanatics. Considering these people representative of religion is a fallacy in itself. If people evaluated what they were doing before blindly following these leaders, I don't think the latter would retain their position or respect for long.

I don't really have anything to say but I have seen non muslims visiting places like Ajmer Sharif i don't find it an issue but yh Mecca I've been there once beautiful place it's the law in Saudi Arabia which doesn't allow non muslims to go to Mecca.

Originally posted by: Bartz

What country is this?

In fact religion must not be taught to kids when they have no idea what they are being taught in the name of religion. They should have a choice to grow up and then learn religion of their parents if they are interested in it otherwise not. Their choice.

Agreed and this is pretty much the norm in majority of the mosques in the UK.