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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: Mister.K


With that, I would still like you to elaborate on how you would go about nullifying thoughts. My earlier question was metaphorical in nature, in the sense, the squiggly lines on the paper are memories, paper is the mind and I am who I am (even though I still don't know who that is). The pencil was the cumulative experience which made memories. The eraser, well, it's just a tool at my disposal. It could be contemplation, meditation, concentration, focus or any such device which keeps the memories (thoughts) at bay.

Going back to your higher mind and soul, perhaps it would be better if we deal with only 3 "things" moving forward. Body. Mind. Consciousness. I don't see any other concept taking precedence over these. To me, these are all encompassing.

hmm... Quite a discussion going on as i slept 😆 Guess I m the only person here at the other end of the globe !

On reading your metaphorical description , Mister K, i dont think anythings going to get nullified . An integration is more likely to occur. Makes more sense too, to me at least. The memories/experience , a function of the mind wud get deeply embedded in the consciousness . That seems to be the whole purpose anyway, ie gaining experience/memories.

As my_view has rightly said words appear to be quite inadequate to convey such concepts. Experiencing them seems to be the right way to go about. Hmm ..Is that why the consciousness chose to manifest in the first place … that is to experience itself !

According to Indian mystic yogis the human being consists of three main bodies. The physical and astral bodies and a second spirit body called the causal body. The three body sheaths are the different vehicles of our consciousness. They clothe the inner being. Most people are only aware of the physical body and its limited five senses. The astral has the same form as the physical body but is made up of subtle matter (prana). The causal body, however is of the form of an egg, a body of light. This is known as the intelligence and bliss sheath.

The three bodies roughly correspond to what we would call body, mind, and soul. Furthermore, each of the three bodies conforms to a state of consciousness. The physical body functions in the waking state, the astral body in dream state, and the causal body in deep sleep state. The inner self that is housed by these sheaths exists in the fourth state of consciousness, that is the ever-wakeful state of pure awareness.

Only the causal body endures over many incarnations, whereas the physical and astral bodies are formed anew at each new birth. The causal body is the repository for all our karmic impulses. The yogis tell us that the causal body can alter reality, create worlds, and bring about materialization. However, even this body is not eternal. When a person attains full God, it too is dissolved into the infinite spirit.

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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: Sneh-Jiwan

Why do people become so biased when it comes to religion or godly figures !!!!!

Its shame that we critise other peoples religion or faith when we cannot stick properly with ours !!!!!!

Hi sneh , HR U feeling now ? 😊 Nice to C U here .
Are U referring to anyone in particular here as being biased to religion or Godly figures ? I dont think so. An attempt is being made to understand ones ownself in an objective manner. Why should that be so surprising ?
Or perhaps you meant it in general ..
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: angie.4u

Hi sneh , HR U feeling now ? 😊 Nice to C U here .

Are U referring to anyone in particular here as being biased to religion or Godly figures ? I dont think so. An attempt is being made to understand ones ownself in an objective manner. Why should that be so surprising ?
Or perhaps you meant it in general ..

Yeah in general dear I am not after any one particular person !!!!!!!
What I mean to say that why should we not leave religion aside as this topic is beyond anyones understanding !!!!!!
If you say something against anyones religion in particular no one likes it !!!!!!
Then why bash one another on his topic !!!!!!
We are friends here to be friends and not get into word fight and end up bitter !!!!!!
Thats all that I want to say love one another and be loved !!!!!!
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: Sneh-Jiwan

Yeah in general dear I am not after any one particular person !!!!!!!
What I mean to say that why should we not leave religion aside as this topic is beyond anyones understanding !!!!!!
If you say something against anyones religion in particular no one likes it !!!!!!
Then why bash one another on his topic !!!!!!
We are friends here to be friends and not get into word fight and end up bitter !!!!!!
Thats all that I want to say love one another and be loved !!!!!!

The only way we can understand is by trying to 😊 I feel that even a topic as touchy as religion or God can be discussed in a mature way without hurting anyones sentiments. As far as I remember i have never bashed anyone , nor do I feel bitter if anyone contradicts anything i express. Thats the whole point of DM - to bring various viewpoints for discussion. Some ppl do get carried away at times and start sounding a bit aggressive .But most of the regulars here can handle it 😉 😆
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: my_view

I am inclined to say nullify all thoughts. Consciouness cannot think on its own. It just knows.

As I read somewhere the purpose of man's life is to become an abject zombie who serves a purpose he does not know, for reasons that he is not aware of.

I ve been more obsessed with the "why" more than the who or whats. If I dont even know why I am here how do I figure out rest of the things as what & how !
But as I see it , the purpose why we are here, simply put , is to experince/know and add it to the "I". It may have taken multiple forms to get multiple experience simultaneously.
Many of us think of our "purpose to be" in terms of that overiding theme; but at its deepest - each truth that becomes yours, beyond its mere intellectual understanding is your purpose to be! And whatever truth U R experiencing in the now, is ur current purpose !
First it is all very interesting...
Then it is an intellectual understanding...and we hold them like concepts...somewhere a little outside us. Then we get some eurekas and its turning into the way we think and feel...into our beliefs...
Then we can think feel no other way! Then we experience likewise...and it reflects as our reality !
Sure then we have our moments of crisis and wonder where our learning has gone....till we realise its there ! Then we know this change more permanently...even in "seeming" crisis
And through this process it becomes part of our DNA- for all "future" lives and experiences (samskaras) !
Its alchemy...we are turning matter into gold...spirit !
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Posted: 15 years ago

We wallow long in ignorance and will remain sunk in it until some kind soul shows us the way. There is no curse or suffering worse than ignorance. Though knowing the Truth the love of certain God Forms is only natural.

Some say that names and forms of God are only cups to drink the sweet nectar of sat chit ananda.. Realised saints and sages though seeming different all act and do things as one; all will point seekers the same direction.
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: angie.4u

On reading your metaphorical description , Mister K, i dont think anythings going to get nullified . An integration is more likely to occur. Makes more sense too, to me at least.

I remember when I was doing calculus, and dealing with integration and differentiation, one seemed the opposite of another. If I differentiate a function (take it's derivative) and integrate the result, I get the function back.

I used to wonder which one came first? Differentiation or integration?


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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: Mister.K.

I used to wonder which one came first? Differentiation or integration?




Neither. The function must have come first for others to perform differentiation or integration on it. I wouldn't be surprised if I am totally incorrect here. Math is not my forte. It never was.
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: Gauri_3



Neither. The function must have come first for others to perform differentiation or integration on it. I wouldn't be surprised if I am totally incorrect here. Math is not my forte. It never was.



Both Leibniz and Newton are credited with the invention of calculus. It seems Leibniz started off with integration while Newton started off with differentiation. Both of them published their results at around the same time but then both of them arrived at their results independent of each others' work, even though Newton accused Leibniz of stealing his ideas. Later those accusations were proved incorrect.

It looks like the application of the principle is what mattered to them when they come up with calculus. Newton was looking at it from the physics point of view while Leibniz was looking at it from the Math point of view.

The significance of their inventions is that they ended up with the same result.

Going back to Angie's view, she is for unification of thoughts (more like integration) while my_view is for nullification of thoughts (more like differentiation all the way to nothing).

You said (or implied) that regardless of what you do, the function is still the same function.

I am taking into account everything that the three of you said and am saying that fine, consciousness will remain consciousness whether you differentiate it (by looking at different forms of consciousness) or integrate it (by treating all forms of consciousness as one and the same) but the Question then becomes, who are you or me to differentiate or integrate? If we are different from consciousness, then it seems the function is already divided and is going the differentiation way as we speak. If we are the same as consciousness, then why do we need to integrate something that is already integrated?


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Posted: 15 years ago
^^I don't have answers to your questions, K.

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