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Posted: 15 years ago
#81
Mein hoon aur nahi bhi hoon.
mein kal bhi tha, ab bhi hoon aur kal bhi rahonga.
mein na hi dikhta hoon, na hi mera aakaar hai
mein har ek ke saath hoon, par koi mujhe choo nahi sakta
Mere jaane ke baad bhi, aap muhje Paa sakte hein
Mein aapki jeb mein hoon, lekin aapko nahi maalum
Mujhse door jakar bhi mein aapke kareeb rehta hoon
Jisne mujhe pehchana, usne mukhe samjha
jisne mujhe samjha, usne meri kadar ki
jisne meri kadar ki, woh ek Hasti bana
Mein na ek Hasti hoon na hi merei kabhi hogi Asti
Mein tha
Mein hoon
Mein rahoonga
Mein Amar hoon
Mein Samaye hoon
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Posted: 15 years ago
#82
sorry folks,
cudnt help it...poetry ka bhoot (aur woh bhi hindi ka) sawaar ho gaya
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Posted: 15 years ago
#83

Originally posted by: baddie

sorry folks,

cudnt help it...poetry ka bhoot (aur woh bhi hindi ka) sawaar ho gaya

Koi baat nahi Baddie Bhai.😊
Good keep it up and you may stumble on the answer.
What we think and do during the day will be reflected in our dreams,
and so too the answers.
Edited by Summer3 - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
#84

Originally posted by: karandel_2008

Above could again be due to the limitation of mathematics to explain things. For example 2/3 may be sufficient to explain something, but if we start finding the real number 0.66666... then the number of digits become infinite. Moreover something like 0.66666... could just be an illusion and may not exist. Similarly the infinite numbers between 0 and 1 may not exist except in mathematics.

Moreover, here we assume that we know our 0 and 1.

However, the above point does make us think that there could be infinite illusionary possibilities, but all of them may not matter.

I disagree. The limitation is not with Math. The limitation comes when we try to apply what Math handed to us. Math gives us as much precision as we want. It is up to us to implement what Math gave us.
If for some reason, I want my apple to be divided into exactly three equal parts, with each part weighing the same, down to the picogram or attogram level, Math would do it in a snap. It's up to you to come up with weights and measures to implement what Math asked you to do.
Math is a beautiful language which can explain anything including and not limited to extra dimensions. It's up to us to find them.
In any case, this is what I was afraid of before stepping here. We digress. It's one thing to wade thru a clutter of imprudent posts by some people for whom the concept of relevance is either foreign or doesn't matter. It's another thing to digress even when conversing or debating with compatible people who have the wherewithal to talk about things but lose focus and not see the forest for the trees.
I don't know how it happened but somehow we ended up with pi. I have no interest in discussing pi. I can learn all about pi leisurely when I want to. I believe I did that long back, anyway.
The whole reason I posted a topic on this forum is because of your dare in my MOTW.
In my "Who am I" series, the I represents a universal consciousness. If someone wants to contradict what I said AND present an alternate, elegant theory at the same time, I am all ears.
I would love reply to your deterministic / nondeterministic model but first I would like to know what exactly you meant when you said this:

Originally posted by: karandel_2008

Apparently, if there is some randomness then time and space are its enemies. For example, given enough space and time it becomes easier to roll a "six" with a dice.

Thats why I think that Earth is tiny as compared to rest of the universe because dice was rolled for a six in that place at a given time.
Moreover, memory or retention is another significant enemy of randomness. For example rolling 3 sixes (3x6 = 18) in a row is difficult, but suppose if we store or add the value 6 whenever we get a 6 then soon we will have the number 18 with us.
Randomness, some cause, etc may not be there but we know that somethings do not happen everywhere. Moreover, things become easier with more space, time and memory.

Please elaborate on the rolling the dice part and clarify on "memory retention". Memory retention by which entity? I didn't get it.
Thanks!
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Posted: 15 years ago
#85

Originally posted by: Mister.K.

I disagree. The limitation is not with Math. The limitation comes when we try to apply what Math handed to us. Math gives us as much precision as we want. It is up to us to implement what Math gave us.
If for some reason, I want my apple to be divided into exactly three equal parts, with each part weighing the same, down to the picogram or attogram level, Math would do it in a snap. It's up to you to come up with weights and measures to implement what Math asked you to do.
Math is a beautiful language which can explain anything including and not limited to extra dimensions. It's up to us to find them.

I was also wondering on the same thing after writing that. Mathematics is a tool and traditionally we don't blame our tools. However, there appears to be certain limits. Either Mathematics is limited by our incapabilities or we are limited by the same of Mathematics. For example do Maths numbers really exist or are just abstraction of reality? If Maths is just an abstraction then this is one inherent limit.

In any case, this is what I was afraid of before stepping here. We digress. It's one thing to wade thru a clutter of imprudent posts by some people for whom the concept of relevance is either foreign or doesn't matter. It's another thing to digress even when conversing or debating with compatible people who have the wherewithal to talk about things but lose focus and not see the forest for the trees.
I don't know how it happened but somehow we ended up with pi. I have no interest in discussing pi. I can learn all about pi leisurely when I want to. I believe I did that long back, anyway.
The whole reason I posted a topic on this forum is because of your dare in my MOTW.

Thanks and in any case, this is an interesting topic.
Will elaborate on the dice and memory part in the next post.


Edited by karandel_2008 - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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*viewbies note: Edited Off Topic*
Edited by return_to_hades - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: P1nk


*viewbies note: Edited Off Topic*

Sarina and the rest of the mods - if decency and decorum are thrown out of the window and courtesy has no place around here, if irrelevant, crass, crap like this is posted on my thread then I will abide by the rules and regulations of YOUR forum and pass up the FIRST opportunity to fix it, to you guys. I *will* most assuredly take the second opportunity.
Edited by return_to_hades - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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*Viewbies note: Everyone is expected to stay on topic as possible. Please be respectful to the participants of a debate and discussion. If you find a topic uninteresting or unworthy of your discussion, you may avoid it. Do not diverge it for those who do wish to. *

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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Mister.K.

Sarina and the rest of the mods - if decency and decorum are thrown out of the window and courtesy has no place around here, if irrelevant, crass, crap like this is posted on my thread then I will abide by the rules and regulations of YOUR forum and pass up the FIRST opportunity to fix it, to you guys. I *will* most assuredly take the second opportunity.



Some amount of patience would be greatly appreciated. Currently, I am the only active DT on DM. I cannot babysit a forum 24/7. Besides, sometimes there is a lot more going on her other than "your" thread; I need to address in order.
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades



Some amount of patience would be greatly appreciated. Currently, I am the only active DT on DM. I cannot babysit a forum 24/7. Besides, sometimes there is a lot more going on her other than "your" thread; I need to address in order.

got it. thanks.

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