Who am I? - Page 13

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Deep down within my consciousness, I am always me. Ever changing, ever evolving, but always me. Various factors, defining me, shaping me, molding be - but in all the change one is constant, I am me. Not just me uniquely me. There is no me but me.

This is where I am willing to bet it all on the line. Consciousness theory believes in ONE and if you could convince me that it is more than ONE, I will withdraw that theory out of my list of theories to research further.

Oh boy!!! Gauri, you are very tenacious, I will give you that.

Karam-Phal is probably out of scope when it comes to discovering "I" and its relationship with the physical world (if any). But just to get it out of the way, please explain your views on it once for all and then we will move on.

In your own words, this is what you have said:

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

Karam-phal - the ledger of all our actions taken together - is a great rationale for why some face what they face.

Is that wishful thinking or do you really believe that karam-phal is enforced? If it's the latter, my question was who is the enforcer and what authority does he/she/it have to judge? How does that system (of bookkeeping) even work according to you?

Additional comments before you say anything: All animals (including and not limited to homo-sapiens) suffer. Every species suffered in time, leading up to today. Your karam-phal theory should take all species into consideration.

Originally posted by: Mister.K.

This is probably the best quote I came across in recent times. I loved it. I will give your rest of the post a once over again, Summer. And then I will get back to you. Like I hinted once, you and me are "like poles". Not that we repel each other but we are pretty much into the same thing and I believe are on the same page as far as consciousness is concerned.

Originally posted by: Mister.K.

Oh boy!!! Gauri, you are very tenacious, I will give you that.

Karam-Phal is probably out of scope when it comes to discovering "I" and its relationship with the physical world (if any). But just to get it out of the way, please explain your views on it once for all and then we will move on.

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K, I said numerous times before - it is all about simplicity for me. I take complex problems and break them into smaller parts so that solving them becomes easier. Then I bring it all together to finally grasp what I have been trying to grasp on the whole taken together.

How could karamphal be out of scope when it comes to discovering "I"? My actions make me what "I" am today because the result of those actions determine which direction my destiny takes me. It beats me when someone tries to explore suffering in this world without taking the actions into consideration.

I have pretty much made all major points I can as far as karma and karamphal is concerned. If you have any specific questions over how karma relates to suffering of millions due to natural disasters - ask me and I'll present my views.

Originally posted by: Mister.K.

Sorry Sarina, if it is ever changing then there is no scope for constancy (consistency). Ergo, the "you" is continuously changing, starting from day 1, be it mentally or physically or emotionally or psychologically. But if you insist that there is a unique you then please explain how it is different from my "uniqueness"? Meaning how is your ID different from that of me?

This is where I am willing to bet it all on the line. Consciousness theory believes in ONE and if you could convince me that it is more than ONE, I will withdraw that theory out of my list of theories to research further.

Mister. K, I am me is an undeniable constant. No matter what continuous change exists around me, I am always me. I will not be you, You will not be me. I am me. My ID is different from yours because, the variables that make my identity are different from yours. There is no me, but me. There is no you but you. The only way I would not be unique was if I could be someone else. Even one variable difference makes me, me not someone else.

The uniqueness theory does not conflict with the universal one theory. Because even one has fractions. Even a homogeneous object has particles. We are unique particles making one.

Unless of course we run across a situation where I cannot explain myself for I am not myself.

There is a mustard mine nearby Mister K. A mustard mine. The moral of the story is the more there is of mine the less there is of yours. Begin at the beginning and go on till you come to the end: then stop. Sentence first! Verdict later. Read the directions and directly you will be directed in the right direction.

Such a wonderland we live in.

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Mister. K, I am me is an undeniable constant. No matter what continuous change exists around me, I am always me. I will not be you, You will not be me. I am me. My ID is different from yours because, the variables that make my identity are different from yours. There is no me, but me. There is no you but you. The only way I would not be unique was if I could be someone else. Even one variable difference makes me, me not someone else.

The uniqueness theory does not conflict with the universal one theory. Because even one has fractions. Even a homogeneous object has particles. We are unique particles making one.

Unless of course we run across a situation where I cannot explain myself for I am not myself.

There is a mustard mine nearby Mister K. A mustard mine. The moral of the story is the more there is of mine the less there is of yours. Begin at the beginning and go on till you come to the end: then stop. Sentence first! Verdict later. Read the directions and directly you will be directed in the right direction.

Such a wonderland we live in.

Originally posted by: Mister.K.

Just because you have had unique experiences doesn't mean you have become unique.

The "I" in you is NOT unique. You would like to think it is, but it is not.

Matter of fact, you have been derived from what your parents had and they have been derived from their parents, ad nauseam. It's the same dang blueprint all across.