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Posted: 15 years ago

What is constant?

In this world essentially nothing is constant.

However, I maintain that in the span of my existence. I am me, is constant. Rewinding back to my infancy, I can still make a claim I am me and have it hold true. Every microsecond of my life, until my deathbed, I can still make the claim I am me and have it hold true.

Experiences do not make us unique? Then what do experiences do. What value do these experiences have? Why do we have them? Why do we grow to be such different people physically, emotionally, socially and intellectually? On what basis does that not make each of us unique?

Of course at the basal level we are all essentially the same. We start with the smallest particle of matter, the quark (it could be something smaller, who knows) At our deepest that is what we all are. With quarks we build on. When quarks come together they form protons, neutrons and electrons. At the microscopic level they have assumed different properties. Groups of these form atoms. The atom of each element is different. There are various combination of these subatomic particles that create unique atoms. While the elements known are finite, the probability of the combinations is exponential, perhaps into infinity.

Atoms come together to form molecules of compounds and substances. Somewhere in this molecular level, came life. Something changed that it was not merely a matter made of minute particles. It was life that sustained itself. Somewhere in life came sentient life. A consciousness, a thought process, a very abstract feeling that knows that we are alive and sentient and thinks about it. So abstract that that we do not know where in this break down of matter it resides. We can explain life in the chemical and mechanical processes that cause it, but sentience remains a mystery. It is this sentience that causes us to not just live, but to live experientially. It is this very sentience that makes us so startlingly different from each other even though we are just the same basally. It is not something that can be dismissed easily.

We come from our parents, they came from theirs, and so on and so forth. But even down this chain life evolved and is still evolving. We have people who are not just experientially by physically different too. Why did the blueprint not remain the exact same? Why did we physically change? Why did the world evolve into not just different people, but different creatures, different organisms, different ecosystems?

No one is unique. Everything is basal. Life, sentience, evolutionary change, nothing matters. What matters is at the core everything is the absolute same. Mister. K at this level your own thought process has absolutely no value at all. Your contemplation on the one, the amalgamation of everything to become essentially one homogenous static holds absolutely no value at all. For it is your life, your sentience, your experience, your thought process that has shaped you. It is everything around you, this forum, your work, the world you live in that has made you who you are and what you think. By nullifying everything that is different, by dismissing this uniqueness that exists in this world, you have essentially nullified the very value and meaning of your own thought process. At the core of it all, it means nothing. You are merely the ordinary, the mundane, the universal part of a homogenous one. Your thoughts do not matter.

I believe in uniqueness. In I am me, and there is no me but me. To me my life, my sentience, my experiences are not just an illusion keeping me from being one with the one. To me everything serves a purpose and I cannot deny the forces that shape and make everyone uniquely them. All these variables exist for a reason and it seems that uniqueness shows each person their path of being one. A puzzle is not a million pieces that fit together or a whole picture, it is the entire process of pieces coming together to form a whole. Focus on only the pieces or only the big picture, you lose a whole lot in between.

Is this the correct explanation, the right explanation or even perhaps a better explanation. I cannot be pretentious, I honestly have no idea. The truth is always ever elusive. It's a risk worth taking. I try my personal best to know and understand, but ultimately any belief system is a risk against the probability of being wrong. As the chaos theory states, any complex iterative model is as good as a wild guess no matter how sound the logic.

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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: Gauri_3


ref. blueprint: You are totally disregarding the possibilities with any given gene pool here.

Since we are talking of Sarina - her father brings his gene pool and her mother brings her own gene pool and Sarina has a mixture of both just like her sister. But Sarina may have inherited something more from one of her parent than her sister. Hence, even though both Sarina and her sister draw from the same gene pool - the proportions in which they draw their own pool from their parents' pools will differ making each one of their blueprint unique.


Now, coming to experiences part: even identical twins are known to grow up into unique individual based on their life experiences. Uniqueness for me is being one of a kind - genetic make up and life experiences together make each and every one of us one of a kind.

<With a beatific smile>

It's all about numbers, Gauri. It's all about numbers.

Not all codes in the DNA are useful. There is a functional part of the DNA (about 3% of it) and then there is a junk part of the DNA (97%). Even assuming they are all functional, you would probably get a trillion "different" codes at the most. At that point, the DNA code WILL REPEAT.
I will say it again. It *will* repeat.
Till date, even if there were not that many humans born, there would, theoretically, come a day, when the code will repeat. You can't beat math.
Like Karan was referring to before, if you roll the dice enough number of times, you would hit even the most improbable number.
You can fight all you want Gauri. But you are not unique, when all is said and done. When the time runs out.
"I" am not that patient to let it run its course. "I" know the ending.
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: Mister.K.

<With a beatific smile>

Are you trying to tell me that those horns on your head are just to support the halo😆

It's all about numbers, Gauri. It's all about numbers.

Not all codes in the DNA are useful. There is a functional part of the DNA (about 3% of it) and then there is a junk part of the DNA (97%). Even assuming they are all functional, you would probably get a trillion "different" codes at the most. At that point, the DNA code WILL REPEAT.
I will say it again. It *will* repeat.
Till date, even if there were not that many humans born, there would, theoretically, come a day, when the code will repeat. You can't beat math.
Like Karan was referring to before, if you roll the dice enough number of times, you would hit even the most improbable number.
You can fight all you want Gauri. But you are not unique, when all is said and done. When the time runs out.
"I" am not that patient to let it run its course. "I" know the ending.
First thing first - you are totally disregarding the evolution that takes place on earth periodically. What tells you that the DNA make up, as we know it today, will not change sometime in future before any one combination gets to repeat itself!

Go back to my post AGAIN. You are totally disregarding the uniqueness our experiences provide us. Go ahead, run your probability again and even you will realize that calculating the outcome of the probability of those possible trillion something DNA codes combined with probability of all those unique experiences is beyond the numbers you know as of now.

Posting below the part you skipped:



A request to you - don't ignore all the angles presented by me and pick only a part of the post and go after it. You have been doing this since the beginning of this thread. If you take the whole entire post in consideration, you will realize how childish this trillion something number sounds.

Over and out with a **beatific smile**

Edited by Gauri_3 - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

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A request to you - don't ignore all the angles presented by me and pick only a part of the post and go after it. You have been doing this since the beginning of this thread. If you take the whole entire post in consideration, you will realize how childish this trillion something number sounds.

I wouldn't do that, at least, not intentionally. I am making efforts to keep everything that you have said in the past, in mind, when I reply.

If we agree on the physicality part not being unique over LONG periods of time, we will next move on to the "experiences" part. What say?
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: return_to_hades

Experiences do not make us unique? Then what do experiences do. What value do these experiences have? Why do we have them? Why do we grow to be such different people physically, emotionally, socially and intellectually? On what basis does that not make each of us unique?

I would love to move on to the experiences part as soon we agree that physically (down to the smallest, tiniest, molecule known to humans, over an "extended" period of time), it's possible for uniqueness theory to bite the dust.
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: Mister.K.

I would love to move on to the experiences part as soon we agree that physically (down to the smallest, tiniest, molecule known to humans, over an "extended" period of time), it's possible for uniqueness theory to bite the dust.



I have already admitted that we are the same broken down at the very smallest core, in two of my posts.

You say we are all the same because of our basal core.

I say we are all unique because of the layers of existence.

That's the difference.


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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: return_to_hades



I have already admitted that we are the same broken down at the very smallest core, in two of my posts.

You say we are all the same because of our basal core.

I say we are all unique because of the layers of existence.

That's the difference.


Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
If I truly believe in what I say, I know this confirmation actually came from me and not from you. But, because I am in this physical world (still!) I would take it that another "individual" agreed with me.
I will analyze experiences (and type them out over here) as soon I get some time.
👍🏼
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: Mister.K.

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
If I truly believe in what I say, I know this confirmation actually came from me and not from you. But, because I am in this physical world (still!) I would take it that another "individual" agreed with me.
I will analyze experiences (and type them out over here) as soon I get some time.
👍🏼



What next - a list of how I am nothing but a bigger virus or bacteria if basal core is where it all gotta stop?

Why even ask who you are when this is what you will be reducing yourself to?

I disagree that we all are exactly same physically.
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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: Gauri_3


What next - a list of how I am nothing but a bigger virus or bacteria if basal core is where it all gotta stop?

Why even ask who you are when this is what you will be reducing yourself to?

I disagree that we all are exactly same physically.

Allow me to go off topic for just a teeny tiny bit: I think you are worker ant at heart. A soldier who will keep marching doesn't matter who is falling on the way side, doesn't matter how inane your commander's rationale is, when he/she/it ordered you to keep marching.

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Posted: 15 years ago

Originally posted by: Mister.K.

I will try to give you an analogy. So this "great" guy puts me and a hundred other human beings along with a bunch of plants and animals in a house and locks the doors. There is no way we could get out even if we want to unless we die. He expects us to behave according to certain rules not known to anybody inside the house but, nevertheless, assumes moral authority on us and threatens us with dire consequences if we don't. The human beings inside the house assume that the guy who put them there is also a generous guy who will reward them for good actions but it is just an assumption which some people choose to believe and some don't. Say I am the fortunate (or unfortunate) one who lived longer than most. I see people fighting and killing each other, killing animals, forming groups, creating divisions, treating some as people as kings and some people as lepers and basically doing what they please depending on how strong physically and mentally they are. So I see a happy guy and assume that he must have done something good in his previous birth. I see a sad guy and assume that he must have done something bad in his previous birth. Again all assumptions



Just noticed this.

I'll give you the answer I gave Debayon once - The Cake is a Lie.

Although I will add - The Portals exist.

Go figure.

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