'Physical Needs' - Can it be justified always? - Page 14

Originally posted by: Gauri_3

I disagree with this suggestion. Marriage is not ONLY about sex. Agreed that sex plays a very important role in a marriage but it will be a disaster if the whole marriage is based on the idea of getting an outlet for the pent up sexual energy.

Additionally, one may not want to settle down for life with those they want to have a purely physical relationship with. If abstaining is such a monumental task for some, they should consider safe sex with willing partners/dates. Getting married at a tender age solely for getting banged - ugh.

Originally posted by: Crimson_Sky

Ofcourse, you can disagree Gauri 😊.

But I think that is a solution to many of the problems facing the west. I have lived almost all my life in Europe, and can see how kids are developing fast around the world. They understand love and the responsibilities that come with it. They become helpless and victim to their own desires and sex impluse. The problem is so huge that in some of the European countries they are already pondering on the possibilities of having teen marriages accepted in the society.

There are teens who want to take up responsibilities. It is not a new concept. India (specially bengol) had this custom of having their son gotten married when he crossed 15, and the daughter when she crossed 12. However, I dont think it should be that much open. Atleast the girl should be 14+ before marriage. And the boy around 16 (i.e. 15+). It has worked in India before very successfully. And those times were much more respectable and economically stronger (when we talk about dispersion of wealth) in India. (I am not talking about the GDP here).

Let us face it. Children dont remain so much a child when they long for sexual pleasures. They do realise (8 out of 10 times) the responsibilities associated with marriage. And they want to accept that with a pure heart.

It shouldnt be forcing on them. But it shouldnt be made a taboo (as is being done these days). If a teen wants to marry, and are serious, then their relationship should be considered!

I think (my POV), that it will be successful.

As for responsibilities, I am very confident that these teens will fulfill their responsibilities in a much better way than most of the SO CALLED matured men and women are fulfilling these days. Everything cannot be measured by money and career. There are somethings that are beyond it.

And I feel, education, money, career and morality....all will benefit by this move.

Originally posted by: Crimson_Sky

Ofcourse, you can disagree Gauri 😊.

But I think that is a solution to many of the problems facing the west. I have lived almost all my life in Europe, and can see how kids are developing fast around the world. They understand love and the responsibilities that come with it. They become helpless and victim to their own desires and sex impluse. The problem is so huge that in some of the European countries they are already pondering on the possibilities of having teen marriages accepted in the society.

premarital sex is not considered bad/taboo in the west. Don't know which problem you are talking about here. Sex could preoccupy the teens but I doubt they would want to settle down for life with someone just for sex.

There are teens who want to take up responsibilities. It is not a new concept. India (specially bengol) had this custom of having their son gotten married when he crossed 15, and the daughter when she crossed 12. However, I dont think it should be that much open. Atleast the girl should be 14+ before marriage. And the boy around 16 (i.e. 15+). It has worked in India before very successfully. And those times were much more respectable and economically stronger (when we talk about dispersion of wealth) in India. (I am not talking about the GDP here).

18 is the min age for marriage in India. You must be talking about pre-independence Bengal. It was not working in India successfully hence the min. marriageable age by law.

Let us face it. Children dont remain so much a child when they long for sexual pleasures. They do realise (8 out of 10 times) the responsibilities associated with marriage. And they want to accept that with a pure heart.

😆 15 - 16 years old indulging in sex don't really grow up just because they know how to fornicate.

It shouldnt be forcing on them. But it shouldnt be made a taboo (as is being done these days). If a teen wants to marry, and are serious, then their relationship should be considered!

I think (my POV), that it will be successful.

They don't even know what they want to do in life, what they want to become when they f=grow up and you are saying that they are ready for a life long commitmentlike marriage!

As for responsibilities, I am very confident that these teens will fulfill their responsibilities in a much better way than most of the SO CALLED matured men and women are fulfilling these days. Everything cannot be measured by money and career. There are somethings that are beyond it.

Everything has a place and a time including career. No one in their right mind should prefer one over the other. You said givt. and parents should support the teens entering in marriages purely for sexual reasons. How long will the family and govt. support them if they are not serious about career or are not making enough money?

And I feel, education, money, career and morality....all will benefit by this move.

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Originally posted by: Crimson_Sky

@cuckoocutter : Well as I said earlier. This was practiced and has worked in India before.

Originally posted by: Crimson_Sky

Gauri, why do you stress only 'Sexual Reason'. It is more than that. The Sexual reason is one of the aspect which also suffices. The topic is about Physical Needs. Thus, sexuality is also checked in such marriages. But they also help emotional aspects and do consider other aspects aswell.

Because this is whay you have been talking about all along. How would a teen be emotinally better off by entering into a life long commitment they do not even comprehend in its entirety?

Regarding pre-marital (teen sex/free sex) being appreciated in the west. I think its not true. In the west they are annoyed with this, to an extent that they have almost given up. Still they do not recommend of place it on the highest point. Some just consider is beyond their control. Others accept it only because they failed to control themselves. They look very highly upon those who manage to overcome the JISMAANI DEMAND and remain pure till the date of marriage.

West stresses more on safe sex than abstinence. Educating teen about sexuality should be the appropriate way to deal with the issues that plague them instead of getting them married.

Their are a huge number of teens who wants to settle down. Sex will be essential, but they are serious atleast between each other. And its a fact.

Again - how do you know that these teens know for sure what they want? Most teens you talk to don't even know what major they would take in college. They need to do some exploring before they settle down in life. Marriage takes that privilege away from them and burdens then with responsibilities that could make them lose the long term focus..

Yes, I was talking about pre-independance bengal. But the trend was all over India too. Min age and many other standards were borrowed from the British. Like the rest of the system, this system is not superb either.

Min age was put in place because a girl's body is not ready for motherhood before age 18. Additionally, the society changed and so did the life style. Now a days it is next to impossible for one breadwinner to support not only his family but his teenaged children's families too. And what sort of life will these teen couples be leading if they are dependent on their parents for every thing. I do not see this as a healthy begining for a life long commitment.

15 and 16 years old teens are giving birth to you-tube and dell. What I mean is that, maturity these days dont see age. And there are teens who are quite mature enough. I am not talking about those who are not yet mature, they can wait till any age they like.

I disagree. Most teen pregnancies are accidents than well-planned event. Marriage, however, will raise teenage pregnancy instances more than what we see right now and this won't be good for the teen parents who are already dependent on their folks financially and emotionally.

We cannot generalize that THEY DO NO KNOW... . Because many know. Actually a huge number know. If we read about entreprenuers of the world, we realise that most of then were in their early or mid teens when they KNEW.

what knowledge are we talking about here?

The govt and family are not giving consent just for sexual reasons. They are giving their consent because of normal matrimonial reasons. They recognise that this is important.

What normalcy you are talking about when couples are not settled in life financially? What if five years later they evolve into two totally different human beings? Unlike adults, teens have a lot of growing up to do before they reach adulthood. 16 years old are kids at heart. It si insane to even think about getting them married.

As for how long... they can as long as required. That is, the couple must educate themselves accordingly, and make themselves skilled enough to take care of themselves when they cross 18.

And who will ensure that it happens? What if the boy did not complete his education and was unab;le to settle down professionaly? Why should we add more dices to the already existing one as far as marriage goes?

Or, maybe you are talking about India where the child of the home stays with their parents forever! Well then, even those can get married young and remain forever with their parents! They would do that anyways, isnt it?

As for the remaining part of the world. The children would move out after 18 anyways, so before 18 if they marry (e.g. at 15), then 3 years is not so long. And by then they will get to know and remain in touch more with their inlaws, learn much about marriage and many other vital information.

😆 married at 15! that too at parents' expense😆 btw, you don't really need to live with your in-laws to understand them better. Talking of west - many 15 years old don't even get along with their own parents. Why to throw in-laws in that mix as well😆

I really think it can be a great revolution.

seriously, I am speechless. It is beyond my comprehension that someone would support 15 years old kids getting married when - an age where they don't even know right from wrong! They are kids at heart - they still need to be nurtured, taken care of, protected and groomed. This is not an age to be responsible for your significant other too - for taking a spouse. Oh well - to each their own, I guess😆

Originally posted by: Crimson_Sky

Seems Gauri needs to re-check her comments 😆! One place she confuses birth with literal human offspring 🤡