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Posted: 15 years ago
#41
There is no such rule that men should not cry, thats so inhuman😆

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Posted: 15 years ago
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To me the only difference between men and women really is one lousy chromosome. Of course there are innate biological differences, but underneath the surface, we are all human. We share human tendencies to experience feelings and emotions.

I do not know why men are told that they cannot cry, get emotional or be sensitive. Why should a person simply experiencing normal emotions be considered soft? It is perfectly fine for men to experience emotions.

Now when I say 'crying' I'm not referring to cry babies. As I said in the cross-same-sex friendship thread. The worst thing on earth is clingy needy men. As a matter of fact, clingy, needy people are the worst period. I simply cannot stand people who are constantly whining, weeping or breaking down for the slightest things. In fact if someone breaks down or cries on me for no good reason, I walk away and tell them to see me when they have a grip and regained sanity. (key operative no good reason, I will never walk away from someone who genuinely needs help)

There are certain things that evoke tears and its ok for men and women to cry. I don't think anyone should be bawling like a baby at the end of tearjerker movies, but its ok for anyone to have their eyes tear up. When someone says something hurtful, or people fight, its ok for anyone to let some tears trickle down because they are hurt. If a relationship breaks up, its ok for men and women to get sentimental or touchy about it a little. When a loved one dies, its ok for anyone to break down and cry. In those overwhelming moments of joy, its ok for anyone to gush and have a few tears of joy.

Biologically every human has a different pain tolerance and threshold, and its not correlated to gender. So irrespective of whether its a boy or girl getting physically injured - its ok to wince and cry due to the physical pain. (Of course if someone just fell down and grazed a knee and make a fuss off it, they need to grow some. Actually I blame parents who treat their kids like fragile dolls)

Ultimately its all about balance and composure in our emotions. I do not think men should be expected to act tough and macho all the time. It is perfectly acceptable for them to cry a little on occasion. Similarly women need not be fragile all the time. Nothing wrong in a woman being emotionally or physically tough. No one should be stone cold to emotions and no one should be a whiny biotch.

I think the sensitive side of men can be extremely adorable. I love how even the big tough men can seem so beautifully vulnerable when they cuddle up with their puppy dogs and play with them. Or when they are trying to calm their baby in their arms and gushing over them with silly baby talk, not caring about how ridiculous and unmanly they look in public.
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Posted: 15 years ago
#43

Originally posted by: Midnight_Shade


Well, that might be one of the million ways of looking at human traits.....the bible says something else though.....it says that Adam ( a man) was created by God as his look alike...and then he later created Eve from one of Adam's ribs....they say that Eve ( a woman) was responsible for making Adam eat the apple and upset God...so, basically, they blame women for the bad things happening in the world....same goes to Pandora's box.....Pandora made the other dude (can't remember his name) open that box full of negativites...jealousy, envy, etc ...thus, making Pandora (a girl) responsible for the bad things happening today....Basically, we can't rely on a single source to define human characteristics.
.......but seriously, I wasn't aware that qualities like empathy, truthfulness, deception, arrogance, etc could ever be put down as "male" and "female" qualities. I thought those qualities depended on how people conduct themselves and how they were brought up. Too bad there are also gender biases in human conscience and morality, though it doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever.



Actually the Greeks do not really blame women completely.

Prometheus the titan stole fire from Zeus by tricking him, and shared the secret of fire with men. As a punishment for Prometheus' trickery Zeus had Hephaestus create Pandora (the first woman) and sends her to earth with the box of seductive gifts. She married Prometheus brother and eventually opens the box out of curiosity releasing its content into the world. But the content was not just the evils of the world, the most vital content is 'hope'. The last thing remaining in the box is hope.

But coming to the 'male' & 'female' qualities - I think the world we live in is so socially conditioned to see men and women as different entities that even qualities/emotions get classified as such. I do not get it why people find it hard to digest that men and women are equally likely to exhibit any quality positive or negative or experience any sort of emotion.
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Posted: 15 years ago
#44

Originally posted by: Midnight_Shade



Well, that might be one of the million ways of looking at human traits.....the bible says something else though.....it says that Adam ( a man) was created by God as his look alike...and then he later created Eve from one of Adam's ribs....they say that Eve ( a woman) was responsible for making Adam eat the apple and upset God...so, basically, they blame women for the bad things happening in the world....same goes to Pandora's box.....Pandora made the other dude (can't remember his name) open that box full of negativites...jealousy, envy, etc ...thus, making Pandora (a girl) responsible for the bad things happening today....Basically, we can't rely on a single source to define human characteristics.
.......but seriously, I wasn't aware that qualities like empathy, truthfulness, deception, arrogance, etc could ever be put down as "male" and "female" qualities. I thought those qualities depended on how people conduct themselves and how they were brought up. Too bad there are also gender biases in human conscience and morality, though it doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever.

Emotions rather than being labelled male and female should be termed "positive" and "negative" emotions. So both male and female can have a share of either of these.
Physically women are normally weaker but emotionally both can be equally strong and women have been know to bea able to bear great stress and have a higher threshold of pain too. I think most men would rather not have kids then go through the trouble and suffering of a child birth.
But I think that without a woman most men would be incomplete.
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Posted: 15 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: Summer3

Emotions rather than being labelled male and female should be termed "positive" and "negative" emotions. So both male and female can have a share of either of these.
Physically women are normally weaker but emotionally both can be equally strong and women have been know to bea able to bear great stress and have a higher threshold of pain too. I think most men would rather not have kids then go through the trouble and suffering of a child birth.
But I think that without a woman most men would be incomplete.


@ Blue: It's very difficult to even assume anything about that. Men has never given birth and most likely won't be giving birth anytime soon, so we don't have anything in human history based on which we can form such a judgement.
Most probably even women don't enjoy the painful parts of pregnancy, infact no one will. Sometimes people bear certain things because they are forced to.
However, based on what we see among some other organisms, I think, we can say that if men had the ability to give birth, they would've gone through the trouble of getting pregnant, carrying the child and giving birth. If we see hermaphrodite organisms, they do propagate. There are some organisms (e.g. clown fish) where the male changes to female and I don't think after they become female they run away in fear of giving birth.


But that brings a question in my mind. What if women get the ability to impregnate men and men get the ability to give birth to babies. With all other differences between the two genders remaining same, who would choose to go through pregnancy and giving birth?? Will both genders choose to get pregnant. Or will both the gender start thinking that the other one has the ability too so let them do it. 🤔
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Posted: 15 years ago
#46

Originally posted by: Midnight_Shade



Yeah, i've already read it. Thanks for quoting it again. You're STILL saying that crying is only a feminine quality whatsoever. Okay, agreed that you have that kind of mindset and perhaps you live among distraught ladies who keep bothering you with their weepy drama.......soo much that now you think that crying is only a female quality.


But dude, are you kiddin me? You really think you can go around telling people that crying is only a girl's job without getting called a psyche? Why are you dragging all the women of the world to the particular weepy group of women you've been living with all this time?
Men cry too, not coz women rubbed off on them but coz they are gifted with the tear ducts too. Or is it like when women cry, it's crying but when men cry, it's only ventilating their eyes?😛

I really have no idea what weakness or strength you're talking about. You took my post in a wrong way. I never said that crying is a weakness, so your explanation on that was not needed at all. Nevertheless, thank you.
Both men and women have things to learn from each other. Why are you saying that only women know how to love, be authentic and truthful? Have you had some horrible experiences with men in the past or what? On what basis are you categorizing these abstract and ethical qualities into two genders? I'm really curious.

I didnt say men not cry.....I said its a part of feminine quality....Basicly men has one quality and that is of the warrior/aggrasive type. Once he gets a challenge, then he can grow any kind of qualities. Even the feminine qualities, he can grow better than any woman can. His fighting spirit balances things. Women have qualities inborn. Man needs only to be provoked, given a challenge...these qualities have not been given to you -- you have to earn them. And if men and women both can live these qualities, the day is not far away when we can transform this world into a paradise. I am for the qualities of women.😊
Most of the man nt cries and lets his sadness or his joy flow through the tears becos he has been told since he was a child that tears are for women, it is girlish.😊 Men never cry and weep...man's eyes would have been made in a different way, they would not have tear glands. They have tear glands just as women have. What is the purpose of those tears? They are needed..... they are a tremendously significant language. There are moments when you cannot say, but your tears can show. You may be so full of joy, and tears come to your eyes.....
Tears are always the symbol of overflowing experience. You may be so sad that words cannot contain it....😃tears help you. It is one of the reasons why women go less mad than men, becos they are ready to weep and cry and throw things any moment... temporarily thy can go mad every day. Man goes on accumulating, and then one day he explodes -- wholesale.😕 Women go mad retail, and that is a wiser way, to be finished every day. Why collect? Men commit suicide more than women. This is very strange...😊Women talk of committing suicide more than men, but they never commit it. Men never talk about committing suicide but commit more suicide...the quantity is double..Man goes on and on repressing, goes on and on ...so better let them cry...and reduce their emo n feelings.😃


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Posted: 15 years ago
#47

Originally posted by: Believe

I didnt say men not cry.....I said its a part of feminine quality....Basicly men has one quality and that is of the warrior/aggrasive type. Once he gets a challenge, then he can grow any kind of qualities. Even the feminine qualities, he can grow better than any woman can. His fighting spirit balances things. Women have qualities inborn. Man needs only to be provoked, given a challenge...these qualities have not been given to you -- you have to earn them. And if men and women both can live these qualities, the day is not far away when we can transform this world into a paradise. I am for the qualities of women.😊

Back to the same point again. 🥱
Most of the man nt cries and lets his sadness or his joy flow through the tears becos he has been told since he was a child that tears are for women, it is girlish.😊 Men never cry and weep...man's eyes would have been made in a different way, they would not have tear glands. They have tear glands just as women have. What is the purpose of those tears? They are needed..... they are a tremendously significant language. There are moments when you cannot say, but your tears can show. You may be so full of joy, and tears come to your eyes.....
Tears are always the symbol of overflowing experience. You may be so sad that words cannot contain it....😃tears help you. It is one of the reasons why women go less mad than men, becos they are ready to weep and cry and throw things any moment... temporarily thy can go mad every day. Man goes on accumulating, and then one day he explodes -- wholesale.😕 Women go mad retail, and that is a wiser way, to be finished every day. Why collect? Men commit suicide more than women. This is very strange...😊Women talk of committing suicide more than men, but they never commit it. Men never talk about committing suicide but commit more suicide...the quantity is double..Man goes on and on repressing, goes on and on ...so better let them cry...and reduce their emo n feelings.😃




Women go less mad than men because they cry more and women are always ready to throw things at any moment?
:O What a fascinating theory u've got!
As for expressing your fury, sadness, etc, it depends on how much of an introvert or an extrovert you are and how much you like to share stuffs with people. Some are quiet and keep their opinions and emotions supressed whereas some don't like to keep anything in their guts and pour out everything. There's no scientific or social theory YET to prove that women belong to the extroverts and men belong to the introverts. Spare those abstract and neutral qualities. Don't put them down as "male" or "female" qualities.


Anyways, I don't I'd be able to get my point across to you......You go around tellin people that crying is only a girl's job in real world, yeah that thing with bright light....and lemme know if you don't get ridiculed coz what you've been sayin all along lacks a good backup.
Edited by Midnight_Shade - 15 years ago
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Posted: 15 years ago
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Originally posted by: Midnight_Shade



Women go less mad than men because they cry more and women are always ready to throw things at any moment?
:O What a fascinating theory u've got!---I think u dont get my point...As for expressing your fury, sadness, etc, it depends on how much of an introvert or an extrovert you are and how much you like to share stuffs with people. Some are quiet and keep their opinions and emotions supressed whereas some don't like to keep anything in their guts and pour out everything. There's no scientific or social theory YET to prove that women belong to the extroverts and men belong to the introverts. Spare those abstract and neutral qualities. Don't put them down as "male" or "female" qualities.--Modern research has come to a very significant fact, one of the most significant achieved in this century,n that is that u don't have one mind, you have two minds. hope u know that...ur brain is divided into two hemispheres...the right hemisphere and the left hemisphere. The right hemisphere is joined with the left hand, and the left hemisphere is joined with the right hand -- crosswise😊 Right hemisphere is intuitive, illogical, irrational, poetic, platonic, imaginative, romantic, mythical, religious...😊n the left hemisphere is logical, rational, mathematical, Aristotelian, scientific, calculative. These two hemispheres are constantly in conflict .....😊

Women are right-hemisphere people, men are left hemisphered. Men have ruled women for centuries.Still rulling hope u dont need any evidence for that...😊 Now a few women are revolting but the amazing thing is that these are the same type of women. In fact they are just like men -- rational, argumentative, Aristotelian.😊 It is possible that one day, just as the communist revolution has succeeded in Russia and China, somewhere, maybe in America, women can succeed and overthrow men. 😉

Anyways, I don't I'd be able to get my point across to you......You go around tellin people that crying is only a girl's job in real world, yeah that thing with bright light....and lemme know if you don't get ridiculed coz what you've been sayin all along lacks a good backup.--Actuly am talking about inner...not simply crying matters...I just wanna say man's inferiority works different ways.....that inferiority has played a great role in the domination of women by men. The inferiority complex works in this way.... it pretends to be superior --to deceive oneself and to deceive the whole world. So man down the ages has been destroying the woman's genius, talents, capacities, so that he can prove himself superior --to himself and to the world. Because the woman gives birth, she remains for nine months or more absolutely vulnerable, dependent on a man.

Men have exploited this in a very ugly way. And that is a physiological difference.... it makes no difference at all. The psychology of the woman is corrupted by the man telling her things which are not true, making her a slave to man, reducing her to a secondary citizen of the world. And the reason for that was that he is muscularly more powerful..😊with these muscular mentality how most of men cry😃

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Posted: 15 years ago
#49

Nothing wrong with anyone crying as long as the tears you shed are not crocodile tears !😆

Anyways, tears do have a value- make sure that that value is never undermined. :)

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Posted: 15 years ago
#50
LOL first tell me whats wrong in men being soft?It's good i appreciate that!

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