should married men be allowed to marry again ?? - Page 9

Originally posted by: sandya_rao7

oh is that so? u do have sound backing for wht u said. 👏 i am on your side.

You do know, don't you, that 'backing up something' involves more than just posting an idea?

Originally posted by: PhoeniXof_Hades

Nonsense. The reason why Islam had permitted men to engage in consensual, limited polygamous relation is because the number of men in the world is lesser than the number of women (well, on that time; can't say the correct statistics of today), in general. Per my knowledge, men and women are born in equal numbers at birth, but due to accidents, wars, etc, the death rate of men was higher, thus there having a lot of women more than men in this world. If every men have married one woman, there would be about a lot of women left unmarried, hence it is permitted for a man to get engaged into a consensual, limited polygamous relation, that might help the unmarried population.

Of course, now that women too work outside, I do not think the men/women ratio is still the same, hence this law might not be applicable for this time.

May I ask you, where did you get that gross reasoning from?

I left this topic a while back, but had to come back to respond to your post. I am not trying to justify or falsify Islam, but the reasoning you gave is completely false.

*Double Post* again! 😡😆

Originally posted by: mahikhan

completely agree to labib.....i wanna ask you the same question who told you this?

i never heard anything of that sort....eventhough i dont know the actual reason of figure 4 still i dont find it a logical reason...it sounds pretty lame.

Err...I am a bit confused. Firstly you are stating that you 'completely agree with me', and then you are stating that you 'find the reason lame' - so what position are you taking?

And I heard this from big Muslim scholars; Zakir Naik had put it quite well:

Originally posted by: mahikhan

Why is Polygamy allowed in Islam

Dr. Zakir Naik

Polygamy Q. Why is a man allowed to marry more than one wife in Islam? Or why is polygamy allowed in Islam? Answer: 1. Definition of Polygamy Polygamy means a system of marriage whereby one person has more than one spouse. Polygamy can be of two types. One is polygyny where a man marries more than one woman, and the other is polyandry, where a woman marries more than one man. In Islam, limited polygyny is permitted and polyandry is completely prohibited. Now coming to the original question, why is a man allowed to have more than one wife? 2. Qur'an is the only religious scripture in the world that says 'marry only one' Qur'an is the only religious book, on the face of this earth, that contains the phrase 'marry only one'. There is no other religious book that instructs men to have only one wife. In none of the religious scriptures like the Vedas, the Ramayan, the Mahabharat, the Geeta or the Bible does one find a restriction on the number of wives. According to these scriptures one can marry as many as one wishes. It was only later, that the Hindu priests and the Christian Church restricted the number of wives to one. Many Hindu religious personalities, according to their scriptures, had multiple wives. King Dashrat, the father of Rama, had more than one wife. Krishna had several wives. In earlier times, Christian men were permitted as many wives as they wished, since the Bible puts no restriction on the number of wives. It was only a couple of centuries ago that the Church restricted the number of wives to one. Polygyny is permitted in Judaism. According to Talmudic law, Abraham had 2 wives, and Solomon had hundreds of wives. The practice of polygyny continued till Rabbi Gershom ben Yehudah. (960 A.D to 1030 A.D) issued an edict against it. The Jewish Sephardic communities living in Muslim countries continued the practice till as late as 1950, when an Act of the chief Rabbinate of Israel extended the ban on marrying more than one wife. 3. Hindus are more polygamous than Muslims The report of the 'Committee of The Status of Woman in Islam', published in 1975 mentions on page numbers 66,67 that the percentage of polygamous marriages between the year 1951 -1961 was 5.06 among the Hindus and only 4.31 among the Muslims. According to Indian law only Muslim men are permitted to have more than one wife. It is illegal for any non-Muslim in India to have more than one wife. Despite it being illegal, Hindus have more multiple wives as compared to the Muslim. One can imagine what would have been the percentage of polygamous marriages among the Hindus if the Indian government had made it legal for them. Earlier, there was no restriction even on Hindu men with respect to the number of wives allowed. It was only in 1954, when the Hindu Marriage Act was passed that it became illegal for a Hindu to have more than one wife. At present it is the Indian Law that restricts a Hindu man from having more than one wife and not the Hindu scriptures. Let us now analyse why Islam allows a man to have more than one wife. 4. Qur'an permits limited polygyny As I mentioned earlier, Qur'an is the only religious book on the face of the earth that says 'marry only one'. The context of this phrase is the following verse from Surah Nisa of the Glorious Qur'an: 'Marry woman of your choice in twos' threes' or fours' but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly, (with them), then only one' [Al-Qur'an 4:3] Before the Qur'an was revealed, there was no upper limit for polygyny and many men had scores of wives, some even hundreds. Islam put an upper limit of four wives. Islam gives a man permission to marry two, three or four women, only on the condition that he deals with them justly. In the same chapter i.e. Surah Nisa verse 129 says: 'It is very difficult to be just and fair between women'. [Al-Qur'an (4:129)] Therefore polygyny is not a rule but an exception. Many people are under the misconception that it is compulsory for a Muslim man to marry more than one wife. Broadly, Islam has five categories of Do's and Dont's. (i) 'Farz' i.e compulsory (ii) 'Mustahab' i.e recommended or encouraged (iii) 'Mubah' i.e permissible (iv) 'Makruh' i.e 'not recommended' or discouraged (v) 'Haram' i.e prohibited or forbidden Polygyny falls in the middle category of things that are permissible. It cannot be said that a Muslim who has two, three or four wives is a better Muslim as compared to a Muslim who has only one wife. 5. Average life span of females is more than that of males By nature males and females are born in approximately the same ratio. During paediatric age however, in childhood itself a female child has more immunity than a male child. A female child can fight the germs and diseases better than the male child. For this reason, there are more deaths among males as compared to the females during paediatric age. During wars, there are more men killed as compared to women. More men die due to accidents and diseases than women. The average life span of females is more than that of males, and at any given time one finds more widows in the world than widowers. 6. India has more male population than female due to female foeticide and infanticide. India is one of the few countries, along with the other neighbouring countries, in which the female population is less than the male population. The reason lies in the high rate of female infanticide in India, and the fact that more than one million female foetuses are aborted every year in this country, after they are identified as females. If this evil practice is stopped, then India too will have more females as compared to males. 7. World female population is more than male population In the USA, women outnumber men by 7.8 million. New York alone has one million more females as compared to the number of males, and of the male population of New York one-third are gays i.e sodomites. The USA as a whole has more than twenty-five million gays. This means that these people do not wish to marry women. Great Britain has four million more females as compared to males. Germany has five million more females as compared to males. Russia has nine million more females than males. God alone knows how many million more females there are in the whole world as compared to males. 8. Restricting each and every man to have only one wife is not practical Even if every man got married to one woman, there would still be more than thirty million more females in USA who would not be able to get husbands (considering that America has twenty five million gays). There would be more than four million females in Great Britain 5 million females in Germany and nine million females in Russia alone who would not be able to find a husband. Suppose my sister happens to be one of the unmarried women living in USA, or suppose your sister happens to be one of the unmarried women in USA. The only two options remaining for her are that she either marries a man who already has a wife or becomes public property. There is no other option. I have posed this question to hundreds of non-Muslims and all opted for the first. However a few smart people before accepting, said they would prefer their sisters to remain virgins. Biologically, it is not possible for an average man or a woman to remain celibate throughout life. It may be possible in exceptional cases of one in ten thousand. In the vast majority, the person either gets married or performs illicit sex or indulges in other sexual perversions. Sex hormones are released in the adult body every day. That is the reason why Islam has prohibited monasticism. In Western society it is common for a man to have mistresses and/or multiple extra-marital affairs, in which case, the woman leads a disgraceful, unprotected life. The same society, however, cannot accept a man having more than one wife, in which women retain their honourable, dignified position in society and lead a protected life. Thus the only two options before a woman who cannot find a husband is to marry a married man or to become public property. Islam prefers giving women the honourable position by permitting the first option and disallowing the second. There are several other reasons, why Islam has permitted limited polygyny, but it is mainly to protect the modesty of women.

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Also, mind it, polygamy isn't compulsory; it's optional, and that too after several restrictions, like treating all wives equally, etc, something that is sort of impossible for any ordinary human being to do. Besides, I think the concept of polygamy is not compatible for this day; I think it was for the time when the Quran was written.

Reason for Editing: Fixed quoting.

Originally posted by: PhoeniXof_Hades

You do know, don't you, that 'backing up something' involves more than just posting an idea?

yes i do know. however i am backing up her explanation. i think that could be a valid explanation.

QUOTE=*Woh Ajnabee*]I have managed to stay away from this topic for quite some time now. I usually avoid religion, but I can't maintain my silence any longer. So due to lack of self- control, I shall add my few bit.
cant really blame U 😆
Perhaps one of the biggest criticism that Islam faces is the permission that men are allowed four marriages. It is a very critical and mindboggling idea, but I don't think its completely incomprehensible. Personally, I believe that everything in life is progressive, with time things change, and circumstance gives rise to various situations. Keeping that in mind, it is logical to assume that even this concept of polygamy is based on the older days. Why is it that we know smaller things, such as sightings of the moon with the naked eye are not necessary anymore, due to NASA's presence, but we fail to see that perhaps polygamy is no longer necessary either?

A major aspect of that is perhaps overlooked is that polygamy is permissible in Islam, neither is it compulsory, nor is it encouraged. If you go back about 1500 years ago in history, it makes sense that men were allowed to marry multiple wives. Men going off to war were more prone to dying early and creating a shortage of men. Women, working inside homes, caring for the home and kids, needed husbands back then. And therefore, since not all women could have a men to themselves, it was considered acceptable for men to have multiple wives. Coming back to today's world, women are able to lead a life without a man, they have become independent enough to work and care for their homes, and therefore, the need for polygamy has also disappeared.

*Wrong post* again! 😕 What on earth is happening with IF? I post something in one thread but it goes posted in another one? 😆 Funny. 😳

Originally posted by: PhoeniXof_Hades

Err...I am a bit confused. Firstly you are stating that you 'completely agree with me', and then you are stating that you 'find the reason lame' - so what position are you taking?

im more cofused😛


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Also, mind it, polygamy isn't compulsory; it's optional, and that too after several restrictions, like treating all wives equally, etc, something that is sort of impossible for any ordinary human being to do. Besides, I think the concept of polygamy is not compatible for this day; I think it was for the time when the Quran was written.

Reason for Editing: Fixed quoting.