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Posted: 7 years ago

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Originally posted by: Ardhanarishwara

I thought Salim-Anarkali is our Indian Romeo-Juliet.
So only Anarkali died..Salim married multiple times and also fell in love again..then why is Salim-Anarkali love so overhyped?😕

Their love story was pure. Though I don't know anarkali really exist or not. But after reading about Noorjahen I feel she's a grey shaded woman. She takes all responsibility of siyasat, also she doesn't want Salim's son shahjahen become next king bcz he's not her son

Noor Salim story is little complicated unlike Salim anarkali. So I think that's why they only choose their story to show not mughal e azam.

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Posted: 7 years ago

#22

Originally posted by: Ardhanarishwara

I thought Salim-Anarkali is our Indian Romeo-Juliet.
So only Anarkali died..Salim married multiple times and also fell in love again..then why is Salim-Anarkali love so overhyped?😕

because that fits with itv s taste noor-jahangir s lovestory is more complicated and not lovey-dovey types it will still take time for itv to reach that level where they show can their story or to handle a character like noorjahan without malinging her

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Posted: 7 years ago

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Originally posted by: SweetRogue

She had a show actually. It was called Siyasat and aired on a lesser known channel Epic. I watched only a few episodes but the Show was really good in terms of acting ,plot and characters. I wish this show had the quality of that one

thanks would definitely watch it

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Ardhanarishwara

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Posted: 7 years ago

#24

Originally posted by: Poorabhforever

because that fits with itv s taste noor-jahangir s lovestory is more complicated and not lovey-dovey types it will still take time for itv to reach that level where they show can their story or to handle a character like noorjahan without malinging her

I am not talking about itv yar...I am talking about in general.. Salim-Anarkali is portrayed as some epic love story along with Laila-majnu,Shah jahan-mumtaz etc..I can't understand what's so great about the love story of Salim-Anarkali or Shahjahan-mumtaz etc.they are like any other love story..nothing special..in both cases the the men loved their woman a lot but after their death they married many.. Salim fell in love again,Shahjahan even married mumtaz younger sister.

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myviewprem

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Posted: 7 years ago

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Originally posted by: Ardhanarishwara

I thought Salim-Anarkali is our Indian Romeo-Juliet.
So only Anarkali died..Salim married multiple times and also fell in love again..then why is Salim-Anarkali love so overhyped?😕

Anarkali did not die, she was ordered to be killed by burying in a old well in lahore. There are many versions of what happened to anarkali.

One says she was pardoned by Akbar and was taken away by her mother to far of place and Salim was told shes killed because otherwise he will serach for her.

Second version says that she was walled alive by Akbar. That is movie Mughal e azam version

Third version says she was sent away and came back as nur jahan and married Salim after he became emperor. This is historically untrue actually as Nur Jahan was a munish of Akbars daughter who later became Prime Minister.

But a foreigner has written in his travel books that anarkali or promogranate bud(as he called her) was buried alive in old well in a garden in lahore and that place is called anarkali garden(even today)

So no one has an idea what happened to anrkali or did she even really exist as no indian book mentions her. Only foreign travellers mention her affair with Salim and her death.

Why is salim-anrakali hyped so much? Because in 15th century no prince will rebel and fight for love with a court dancer. Its like England Prince wanting to marry a bar dancer or even worst profession girl and fighting for that lover in todays times. So when commoners will not allow their sons in 21st century to marry a bar dancer or a tawaif , but a prince in those times fell in love with a dancer/courtesean and fought with his father for his love risking disinheritance. Thats why it became controversial and famous. And of course movies have ensured that story gets hyped too.

Salim marrying many times is different matter, he must have been17-19 year old when this love affair must have happened(if it happened). So after this affair his parents would have married him off to many girls and he must have himself liked few and married like Nur jahan. If your first love affair goes wrong and lover dies(or killed) you do not stop life and living. Especially a prince/king, he cannot become majnu types he has to take care of kingdom, wars, politics etc too many peoples life depend on him apart from close family members. Many famous kings had love affairs they mourned few months or years and moved on with their life and duties. Like Napolean. Queen Victoria, Shah jahan etc they all loved their spouses immensely but after death did not stop their life or living. Thats what Salim must have done.

Edited by myviewprem - 7 years ago

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Posted: 7 years ago

#26

Originally posted by: Ardhanarishwara

I am not talking about itv yar...I am talking about in general.. Salim-Anarkali is portrayed as some epic love story along with Laila-majnu,Shah jahan-mumtaz etc..I can't understand what's so great about the love story of Salim-Anarkali or Shahjahan-mumtaz etc.they are like any other love story..nothing special..in both cases the the men loved their woman a lot but after their death they married many.. Salim fell in love again,Shahjahan even married mumtaz younger sister.

what s great about shahjahan-mumtaz its taj mahal there symbol of love though there have been theories suggesting other reasons for taj mahal but this one is most accepted you hardly see any other ruler dedicate such a beautiful piece of art

about salim-anarkali we cannot so sure that it even exsisted or not i find noor-jahangir s story better and much more intresting plus salim loved noor jahan immensely she was not just any other woman in his life noor jahan enjoyed her husband complete confidence and also many powers which was never bestowed on any other empress ever even not jodha or ruquiya

salim s every decision both personal or proffesional was influenced noor-jahan she was his twentieth wife but still his favourite

in later years of salim s life it was noor jahan who was the actual power behind the throne another ruler who treated his wife similarily was shah jahan and the wife was mumtaz even his decision were influenced by his wife mumtaz though mumtaz never really took much intrest in politics

Edited by Poorabhforever - 7 years ago

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myviewprem

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Posted: 7 years ago

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Originally posted by: Ardhanarishwara

I am not talking about itv yar...I am talking about in general.. Salim-Anarkali is portrayed as some epic love story along with Laila-majnu,Shah jahan-mumtaz etc..I can't understand what's so great about the love story of Salim-Anarkali or Shahjahan-mumtaz etc.they are like any other love story..nothing special..in both cases the the men loved their woman a lot but after their death they married many.. Salim fell in love again,Shahjahan even married mumtaz younger sister.

I already replied prev reply why salim anarkali hyped - no prince especially one who is going to be next emperor will risk disinheritance and fight for his lover rights. Anarkali was a courtesean which was lowest profession of those times like a twaif today. No prince in right mind will say i want to marry a tawaif or i am in love with tawaif and fight for her life and rights with his parents. For anything salim can make her his cocubbine or personal maid but not a wife. Even today commoners will never allow their sons to marry bar dancers or tawaifs. So 15th century, imagine Salim loved and wanted to marry a court dancer although his father threatened to disinherit him for throne(which he repelled on death bed - pls read foreign travellers in mughal times books to know more).

Shah jahan -mumtaz story is hyped because he built taj mahal for her. Also he mourned for her for few months and grew old in few months after her death. But of course he too later married other women and did his kingly duties after few months. He was an emperor, he cannot go on prolong mourning as enemies will take advantage.

In those times both these cases are rare in world. A crown prince risking disinheritance for his love to a court dancer and a emperor building a taj mahal tomb for his wife spending crores(billions must be now) is unheard off even in 21st century so in 15th century it must look live very big thing to do. People will think what benefits they can get out of every relationship and if some relation gives them any loss they will not go ahead even if its love for another person. Hence may be they are so famous.

Of course after their lovers death they carried on with their life and even married or loved some of their spouses. That was 15th century where men had many wives and hardly loyal to any wife or woman. Wives were more like property, they had no standing in house or with husband etc unlike todays times. So if these two men that too royals loved their girl friend(lover) or wife so much that was considered a big thing in that time. In 21st century lovers fighting for their rights and to marry each other despite class difference may be common, but than it was rarity.

Its easier to die for a lover or die with a lover but i think its tougher to live for your loved ones and to do your professional duties after the love of your life dies. Thats what Salim and Shah jahan did may be. Shah jahan had 7 kids to take care off from age group 17 years to just born baby, and of course a huge empire with many enemies ready to attack in case he flounders in mourning for his beloved wife. He could not just keep mourning and not bother about his kids and empire. Same for Salim, he was like 17-19 years when he fell in love with anrkali must be, he cannot just say i am dying for or with my lover etc and just leave his parents especially mothers and grandmother etc in dire straits. And of course he was a prince going to be next emperor and a commander and governor of a state etc so many roles to handle, in such cases they do recover after sometimes no matter how huge personal loss or how big the love. I remember reading in a book that once Salim was asked in his 50s(in court) where he wants to be buried, in delhi near his grandparents or agra near his parents or kashmir which he loved most but he said he preferred lahore. Lahore is the place where anarkali garden exists.

Edited by myviewprem - 7 years ago

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sashashyam

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Posted: 7 years ago

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My dear Prem,

Thank you for inviting me to this thread of yours, even though I don't watch the show.

I have read all your posts on the thread, and I liked all of them, especially this one, and the expanded version of it that you have posted later.

One small correction re: your version two Mughal-e-Azam. There, Akbar has Anarkali walled in, but then has her taken out from the other side and sent away from Agra with her mother. The final commentary states emphatically that Akbar took upon himself all the calumny attached to having Anarkali executed, as it was popularly believed, for the sake of the empire, which would have been divided and weakened had Salim been allowed to marry her. And that he fully deserved the title of Mughal-e-Azam.

You had wanted me to comment on this thread. But my dear boy, I see that every possible angle has been duly thrashed out already, so I cannot think of anything new to say. Except that if it had been a Salim-Nur Jahan show, I would have watched it.

See, I am not interested in a fake love story about a woman who never existed, or, if she did, was Akbar's concubine who was later taken over by Salim. It reminds me of Indiana Jones and his father in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.

To tackle that sort of story, you need something like Siyasat in the Epic channel, which was raw and realistic. Of course Siyasat failed, for the Indian TV audience claims to want "good" TV, but then opts for the familiar pap, like a baby with its bottle.

I see that you are very active in this forum, which pleases me no end. Keep it up, and enjoy yourself!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: myviewprem

Anarkali did not die, she was ordered to be killed by burying in a old well in lahore. There are many versions of what happened to anarkali.

One says she was pardoned by Akbar and was taken away by her mother to far of place and Salim was told shes killed because otherwise he will serach for her.

Second version says that she was walled alive by Akbar. That is movie Mughal e azam version

Third version says she was sent away and came back as nur jahan and married Salim after he became emperor. This is historically untrue actually as Nur Jahan was a munish of Akbars daughter who later became Prime Minister.

But a foreigner has written in his travel books that anarkali or promogranate bud(as he called her) was buried alive in old well in a garden in lahore and that place is called anarkali garden(even today)

So no one has an idea what happened to anrkali or did she even really exist as no indian book mentions her. Only foreign travellers mention her affair with Salim and her death.

Why is salim-anrakali hyped so much? Because in 15th century no prince will rebel and fight for love with a court dancer. Its like England Prince wanting to marry a bar dancer or even worst profession girl and fighting for that lover in todays times. So when commoners will not allow their sons in 21st century to marry a bar dancer or a tawaif , but a prince in those times fell in love with a dancer/courtesean and fought with his father for his love risking disinheritance. Thats why it became controversial and famous. And of course movies have ensured that story gets hyped too.

Salim marrying many times is different matter, he must have been17-19 year old when this love affair must have happened(if it happened). So after this affair his parents would have married him off to many girls and he must have himself liked few and married like Nur jahan. If your first love affair goes wrong and lover dies(or killed) you do not stop life and living. Especially a prince/king, he cannot become majnu types he has to take care of kingdom, wars, politics etc too many peoples life depend on him apart from close family members. Many famous kings had love affairs they mourned few months or years and moved on with their life and duties. Like Napolean. Queen Victoria, Shah jahan etc they all loved their spouses immensely but after death did not stop their life or living. Thats what Salim must have done.

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myviewprem

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Posted: 7 years ago

#29

Originally posted by: sashashyam
My dear Prem,

Thank you for inviting me to this thread of yours, even though I don't watch the show.

I have read all your posts on the thread, and I liked all of them, especially this one, and the expanded version of it that you have posted later.

One small correction re: your version two Mughal-e-Azam. There, Akbar has Anarkali walled in, but then has her taken out from the other side and sent away from Agra with her mother. The final commentary states emphatically that Akbar took upon himself all the calumny attached to having Anarkali executed, as it was popularly believed, for the sake of the empire, which would have been divided and weakened had Salim been allowed to marry her. And that he fully deserved the title of Mughal-e-Azam.

You had wanted me to comment on this thread. But my dear boy, I see that every possible angle has been duly thrashed out already, so I cannot think of anything new to say. Except that if it had been a Salim-Nur Jahan show, I would have watched it.

See, I am not interested in a fake love story about a woman who never existed, or, if she did, was Akbar's concubine who was later taken over by Salim. It reminds me of Indiana Jones and his father in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade.

To tackle that sort of story, you need something like Siyasat in the Epic channel, which was raw and realistic. Of course Siyasat failed, for the Indian TV audience claims to want "good" TV, but then opts for the familiar pap, like a baby with its bottle.

I see that you are very active in this forum, which pleases me no end. Keep it up, and enjoy yourself!

Shyamala Aunty

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shilpishona

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Posted: 7 years ago

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Originally posted by: myviewprem

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