Sideways FF - CB II - Part 18, pg.48 - Page 35

Originally posted by: DEVIKA8

"How could Babuji bring her back to our house and then allow her to torture Radhika? This still irritate me and the same question repeated in my mind many many times.. anyway..

Ok.. so loved it.. especially Daadi's talk and her reasoning.. it totally make sense.. because many of time we asked why Daadi is not responding or praising or saying good about Radhika.. but yes, you were able to find an absolute reason there.. I loved that reasoning That she loved Dev over Radhika..a dn that is logical and all her actions are justified just through your explanation... now waiting for Radev convo...

thanks for the update angie...

Originally posted by: misti73

These professional writers ruined the characters and the tracks because they were not interested in carrying this story forward. What I could guess from the way they were handling CB, most probably they had been told to write so that enough TRPs come in.....and to drag the story because they were interested in bringing in other shows but needed something to keep the audience "happy" with when they were busy striking deals and finalising the other shows.

I know they did that. But, they would have got the TRPs if they had shown some logic too. Look at Uttaran's TRPs when they tied most of the loose ends when Tappu was exposed. Those episodes really satisfied their audience which DJs and Zee denied to CB fans. That's why it gladdens me when their other "preferred" shows are not doing great because their need to make a quick buck is backfiring.

Angie you are a good writer.......You are using logic to write the screenplay and also to develop the characters. You are also taking care that the finished product is well polished to make sense and to strike a chord with the audience. ChunnuMunnu never did that. You are very good at writing humourous part........your dry wit comes out in the writings. The best comedy for me is when humour comes out of normal situations and peoples behaviour .....thats what I see when I read your Imarti, Dev and Kaam sections.........I saw that with Vaishali too.😃...........and the way you deal with Dev shows that you like him a lot.😃 I am glad that you are dealing with all the loose ends.👏👏

Misti, thanks. Dev is my favorite as I tend to like strong righteous characters. Radhika was my favorite too until they ping-ponged her last June and July. Somehow, that lecturing of Dev while ignoring Vishaka's crimes did not go well with me. Actually, her actions started making sense when you wrote in your threads about the mentality of an abused person. The creatives had no idea except to explain every action in terms of "mahanta" which did not make any sense to me.

I have to give you and your threads a lot of credit for many characters in my FF. So, my depiction of Radhika and Vaishali is totally your creation and I am going with your logic on that. I also like your version of visions of Kanha for Radhika. I had never paid any attention to Vaishali in the first year and at times found her a wishy washy character. But, you explained her characterization very well. I just totally got her when you used to write those Dhanno, chachu, Mahant and Sr. Purohits scripts. I wonder if you noticed me using your character details in my writing.

Dev and Kaam's interaction is based on what was portrayed by Avinash and Hiten during that brief track. Even though the script was faulty, their negative chemistry and acting was actually quite good in some episodes. I always picture Dev's reaction when he heard from Mrinalini that Shantanu and Radhika have a special friendship or when Dadi mentioned that Shantanu had done a "jadoo" on her choti bahu. Avinash portrayed that irritation very well.

Imarti is mostly based on your "Misti Istyle" commentary and some on Rubina's portrayal. When I write about her, I always remember one of your lines about giving "balloons and chocolates" to her and pulling her cheeks. So, that's why that humor comes out as she is resourceful and cunning in a very child like way.

I guess Kaam is the only character I have created. He is not fully developed at this point because that will only be when he finally confronts Vaishali. For now, he is extremely good looking who doesn't have to make a lot of effort in looking good (unlike Dev who is very careful about his clothes). He is more strong and calm like Sr. Purohit and takes time with his actions. He is anti Dev in that manner. But, he has similarities with Dev too as he is also protective of people he care about and can be caustic in a more subtle way if they are threatened. That's why his closeness with Radhika and Radhika's immense liking of him awakens Dev's jealous nature.

Originally posted by: why3

I know they did that. But, they would have got the TRPs if they had shown some logic too. Look at Uttaran's TRPs when they tied most of the loose ends when Tappu was exposed. Those episodes really satisfied their audience which DJs and Zee denied to CB fans. That's why it gladdens me when their other "preferred" shows are not doing great because their need to make a quick buck is backfiring.

Uttaran writers did that because they are interested to carry on with their show.....but now what I am reading about Uttaran they have also boarded the merry go round. As for the other new shows...the original writers of CB are now writing the 9.30pm show and the ratings have improved a lot..infact according to TAMs it is now within the top 10 shows. Their 10.00pm show also seems to have improved (from what I have been reading in the forum).......now I think they have realised the audience likes the leads to be together and face the problems together, that is what is happening in that show. They never did that with Dev and Radhika...infact these two had to face continuous tsunami of negativity. Infact when Imarti came the ratings did go up .........but they shut the show...so ratings were not that important to them. It was all about using CB as a stop gap measure because they had lost interest and for them CB has served its purpose.

Misti, thanks. Dev is my favorite as I tend to like strong righteous characters. Radhika was my favorite too until they ping-ponged her last June and July. Somehow, that lecturing of Dev while ignoring Vishaka's crimes did not go well with me. Actually, her actions started making sense when you wrote in your threads about the mentality of an abused person. The creatives had no idea except to explain every action in terms of "mahanta" which did not make any sense to me.

Thanks Angie for understanding my POV regarding Radhika. I have always seen her as an abused person who was being continuously emotionally blackmailed. Earlier she did fight back and she used to give it back to amma in her own way.....she stood upto amma and the entire society to stop her marraige to Keshav.....she used to keep quiet and kept mostly to herself with Kanha as her friend but she had a resilience that was difficult to break. I think Radhikas breaking point came when Devki refused to support her in that Jhoola episode. Maybe then she thought that what is the use. Devki did mean a lot to her....I still remember her pleading to Devki to talk to her.........when Devki was ignoring her after she saw Radhika with Dev in the temple (this was I think after the first marriage). Radhika was a like a little girl desperate for her mothers attentions.....and Devki on the other hand always used Radhika to deflect amma. I think after Radhika came into that family......ammas atention that might have been on Devki diverted on Radhika and in that way Devki got her freedom from her dominating MIL. Anyway I got irritated with Radhika when she told him to accept Vishaka........I would have prefered it if she had just kept quiet and removed herself from that house.......which she did and landed in the ashram. Radhika being Mahan never made sense to me, so I stuck to my initial abused girl theory. Athough I like Dev, I always favour the underdog.......and that is why Radhika was special to me.

I have to give you and your threads a lot of credit for many characters in my FF. So, my depiction of Radhika and Vaishali is totally your creation and I am going with your logic on that. I also like your version of visions of Kanha for Radhika. I had never paid any attention to Vaishali in the first year and at times found her a wishy washy character. But, you explained her characterization very well. I just totally got her when you used to write those Dhanno, chachu, Mahant and Sr. Purohits scripts. I wonder if you noticed me using your character details in my writing.

I did think about Vaishali and my scripts😃.......she has been sheltered all through her life and she needs someone to take care of her..........she is my delicate darling😉...she can be very petulant and can throw tantrums but can also realise her mistake and then acknowledge that she has been wrong.

Dev and Kaam's interaction is based on what was portrayed by Avinash and Hiten during that brief track. Even though the script was faulty, their negative chemistry and acting was actually quite good in some episodes. I always picture Dev's reaction when he heard from Mrinalini that Shantanu and Radhika have a special friendship or when Dadi mentioned that Shantanu had done a "jadoo" on her choti bahu. Avinash portrayed that irritation very well.

Oh yes I remember Devs reaction to Mrinalini and dadima in that episode........he was extremely irritated and was ready to barge in to protect Radhika.😆

Imarti is mostly based on your "Misti Istyle" commentary and some on Rubina's portrayal. When I write about her, I always remember one of your lines about giving "balloons and chocolates" to her and pulling her cheeks. So, that's why that humor comes out as she is resourceful and cunning in a very child like way.

Yep that she is .........childlike.😆

I guess Kaam is the only character I have created. He is not fully developed at this point because that will only be when he finally confronts Vaishali. For now, he is extremely good looking who doesn't have to make a lot of effort in looking good (unlike Dev who is very careful about his clothes). He is more strong and calm like Sr. Purohit and takes time with his actions. He is anti Dev in that manner. But, he has similarities with Dev too as he is also protective of people he care about and can be caustic in a more subtle way if they are threatened. That's why his closeness with Radhika and Radhika's immense liking of him awakens Dev's jealous nature.

I am looking forward towards your portrayel of Kaam........its very easy to make Dev jealous about Radhika.😉

Originally posted by: misti73

Uttaran writers did that because they are interested to carry on with their show.....but now what I am reading about Uttaran they have also boarded the merry go round. As for the other new shows...the original writers of CB are now writing the 9.30pm show and the ratings have improved a lot..infact according to TAMs it is now within the top 10 shows. Their 10.00pm show also seems to have improved (from what I have been reading in the forum).......now I think they have realised the audience likes the leads to be together and face the problems together, that is what is happening in that show. They never did that with Dev and Radhika...infact these two had to face continuous tsunami of negativity. Infact when Imarti came the ratings did go up .........but they shut the show...so ratings were not that important to them. It was all about using CB as a stop gap measure because they had lost interest and for them CB has served its purpose.

Yeah, Uttaran is now like CB used to be during Vishaka/Amma combo at PB. So, Umedh Singh is like Dadi/Shastriji (well meaning but ineffective), Mai is like Vaishali used to be with Radhika during early marriage days and Nani is totally Amma. The viewers seem to be tired of the whole story the way we were during those days. You have already mentioned that they brought Shantanu too. Yeah, CB was totally stop gap from March onwards and it showed in their execution. It seems now that other "favorite" show of DJs on Zee is filling that purpose these days.

Thanks Angie for understanding my POV regarding Radhika. I have always seen her as an abused person who was being continuously emotionally blackmailed. Earlier she did fight back and she used to give it back to amma in her own way.....she stood upto amma and the entire society to stop her marraige to Keshav.....she used to keep quiet and kept mostly to herself with Kanha as her friend but she had a resilience that was difficult to break. I think Radhikas breaking point came when Devki refused to support her in that Jhoola episode. Maybe then she thought that what is the use. Devki did mean a lot to her....I still remember her pleading to Devki to talk to her.........when Devki was ignoring her after she saw Radhika with Dev in the temple (this was I think after the first marriage). Radhika was a like a little girl desperate for her mothers attentions.....and Devki on the other hand always used Radhika to deflect amma. I think after Radhika came into that family......ammas atention that might have been on Devki diverted on Radhika and in that way Devki got her freedom from her dominating MIL. Anyway I got irritated with Radhika when she told him to accept Vishaka........I would have prefered it if she had just kept quiet and removed herself from that house.......which she did and landed in the ashram. Radhika being Mahan never made sense to me, so I stuck to my initial abused girl theory. Athough I like Dev, I always favour the underdog.......and that is why Radhika was special to me.

Devki was a bigger cuprit in some sense. She and Amma acted liked good cop/bad cop with Radhika where both were looking for Vishaka's interest and wanted Radhika to safeguard them. The second set of writers tried to make her a sympathetic character by showing that she did love Radhika, but did all these things to maintain her husband's reputation. But, it didn't whitewash her at all. I was waiting for Radhika to realize that her mother was emotionally manipulative. I too would have liked Radhika to keep quiet after she broke off with Dev completely than lecturing him and forcing him to live with Vishaka. It was his life and he needed to have a freedom to reject a relationship that was foisted on him. But, I did like her leaving for Ashram and that track was little too short for my taste. They had showed her telling Shastriji that she didn't want to leave from there as she had found peace. They regressed her character when she asked Dev to go to Mumbai and get Vishaka back. But, an abused person theory fit her case which was never addressed. I also can accept that phool bangla dashed all her hopes as she had really counted on her mother.

I did think about Vaishali and my scripts😃.......she has been sheltered all through her life and she needs someone to take care of her..........she is my delicate darling😉...she can be very petulant and can throw tantrums but can also realise her mistake and then acknowledge that she has been wrong.

My irritation with Vaishali's character changed into amusement when she became a delicate flower pursued by various admirers with Sr. Purohit watching from heaven. 😆 But, she is likeable because she ended up realizing Radhika's worth quickly and also admitted her mistake of abandoning her middle son. Also, Dev was always perceptive about her and stood up against her when needed.

Oh yes I remember Devs reaction to Mrinalini and dadima in that episode........he was extremely irritated and was ready to barge in to protect Radhika.😆

The most funny scene was his decision to throw out Shantanu as soon as he heard about those statements.

Yep that she is .........childlike.😆

I have two adorable nephews - two year and five year old who are quite close to me. So, they compete for my attention and get jealous of each other when they feel that I am favoring one over other. I think of them as little puppies.😆 So, Dev and Imarti are like that with Radhika. In that triangle, Radhika is the adult and both are like kids who get jealous of each other for no reason.

Originally posted by: neerjashingla

CB is special in many more ways for me ....Was reading your post and enjoyed it ...It sent me back to my college days when you have to go through your English lit. plays...Had to write about every character and analyze them...Love writing about CB as if i am going through some lit....I love to read all your analysis,not necessary that i always agree with your point of view, but most of the time i am...I missed all your witty discussions and would have enjoyed but.I joined this forum late perhaps in sep. 10....Very interesting FF

Originally posted by: why3

Devki was a bigger cuprit in some sense. She and Amma acted liked good cop/bad cop with Radhika where both were looking for Vishaka's interest and wanted Radhika to safeguard them. The second set of writers tried to make her a sympathetic character by showing that she did love Radhika, but did all these things to maintain her husband's reputation. But, it didn't whitewash her at all. I was waiting for Radhika to realize that her mother was emotionally manipulative. I too would have liked Radhika to keep quiet after she broke off with Dev completely than lecturing him and forcing him to live with Vishaka. It was his life and he needed to have a freedom to reject a relationship that was foisted on him. But, I did like her leaving for Ashram and that track was little too short for my taste. They had showed her telling Shastriji that she didn't want to leave from there as she had found peace. They regressed her character when she asked Dev to go to Mumbai and get Vishaka back. But, an abused person theory fit her case which was never addressed. I also can accept that phool bangla dashed all her hopes as she had really counted on her mother.

Actually both amma and Devki were looking out for their own interest.....they were showing that it is for Vishaka but they were only concerned about themselves. Both of them easily dropped Vishaka when she became too hot to handle. If only they had kept Vishaka as grey and made her realise what exactly was happening ......she would have gone after amma and Devki and that I would have enjoyed watching.

My irritation with Vaishali's character changed into amusement when she became a delicate flower pursued by various admirers with Sr. Purohit watching from heaven. 😆 But, she is likeable because she ended up realizing Radhika's worth quickly and also admitted her mistake of abandoning her middle son. Also, Dev was always perceptive about her and stood up against her when needed.

Well Sr. Purohit was very indulgent towards Vaishali when he was alive and he was also a broadminded person.......so even after his death he will continue being indugent towards her😃. He knows that Vaishali likes being the centre of attention and likes having admirers but also knows that she will never take the ultimate step....😉 ...this is how she keeps herself happy and if it is not harming anyone then why not.

As for Vaishalis behaviour both Dev and dadima knew her quite well and used to keep her in sight........when she was creating problems both tried to reason with her and also told her off in their own way but also protected her from each other ....dadima never told Dev about his mothers insecurities regarding Radhika and nor did Dev tell dadima what Vaishali had done in Vrindavan.

The most funny scene was his decision to throw out Shantanu as soon as he heard about those statements.

Actually I went back and watched those episodes today.....and burst out into laughter when Dev jumped up to throw Shantanu out....and the other part where I was laughing was Chachus dialogue when he tells Shantanu " humne apko ungli pakarne ko deeya tha lekin aap toh gardan pakar ke baith gaye"😆😆....

I have two adorable nephews - two year and five year old who are quite close to me. So, they compete for my attention and get jealous of each other when they feel that I am favoring one over other. I think of them as little puppies.😆 So, Dev and Imarti are like that with Radhika. In that triangle, Radhika is the adult and both are like kids who get jealous of each other for no reason.

Thats very cute Angie.

Originally posted by: misti73

Actually both amma and Devki were looking out for their own interest.....they were showing that it is for Vishaka but they were only concerned about themselves. Both of them easily dropped Vishaka when she became too hot to handle. If only they had kept Vishaka as grey and made her realise what exactly was happening ......she would have gone after amma and Devki and that I would have enjoyed watching.

Yeah, that is true. Amma and Devki both never bothered about Vishaka when Shastriji threw her out, but then would approach Radhika and manipulate her in doing things for her. That would have been a great track if they had shown Vishaka realizing the truth and giving hell to Devki and Amma. Alas a missed opportunity there.

Well Sr. Purohit was very indulgent towards Vaishali when he was alive and he was also a broadminded person.......so even after his death he will continue being indugent towards her😃. He knows that Vaishali likes being the centre of attention and likes having admirers but also knows that she will never take the ultimate step....😉 ...this is how she keeps herself happy and if it is not harming anyone then why not.

I still chuckle when I remember those scripts. Dhanno is a hoot as a harmless flirt.

As for Vaishalis behaviour both Dev and dadima knew her quite well and used to keep her in sight........when she was creating problems both tried to reason with her and also told her off in their own way but also protected her from each other ....dadima never told Dev about his mothers insecurities regarding Radhika and nor did Dev tell dadima what Vaishali had done in Vrindavan.

At that time I had expected that Vaishali's truth would be revealed to them both when Varna-sankar issue would crop up. Dev didn't know about that part at all as Dadi kept her in dark about Vaisali's views on that. Vaishali too mostly showed Dev that her objection was due to his one marriage in kundli. The creatives backed out of that as they had lost interest in CB by that time.

Actually I went back and watched those episodes today.....and burst out into laughter when Dev jumped up to throw Shantanu out....and the other part where I was laughing was Chachus dialogue when he tells Shantanu " humne apko ungli pakarne ko deeya tha lekin aap toh gardan pakar ke baith gaye"😆😆....

Oh, I remember that scene. Chachu was so hilarious with that line and he looked standing there and looking at Shantanu. Then , he was very funny when he implied that Dhanno had done some immoral stuff by having an out of wedlock baby while being married to Sr. Purohit. Vaishali's shock at that as well as Dev's reaction was just too funny.

I don't think creatives meant it to be that way, but Dev marching in to throw out Shantanu turned out to be extremely funny. He gave a look to Radhika when she tried to stop him and then chachu had a great dialogue about Rajpurohitain should let them continue with their work of throwing out Shantanu. I remember your commentary on that episode and I was laughing so hard reading it. I am really looking forward to reading your comments on CB2. Right now, I am reading Kools commentry on PR and she has your witty style.

Originally posted by: why3

There are so many missed opportunity tracks in CB.....if they had utilised them then CB would have been somewhere else. But they did loose interest.

Oh, I remember that scene. Chachu was so hilarious with that line and he looked standing there and looking at Shantanu. Then , he was very funny when he implied that Dhanno had done some immoral stuff by having an out of wedlock baby while being married to Sr. Purohit. Vaishali's shock at that as well as Dev's reaction was just too funny.

I don't think creatives meant it to be that way, but Dev marching in to throw out Shantanu turned out to be extremely funny. He gave a look to Radhika when she tried to stop him and then chachu had a great dialogue about Rajpurohitain should let them continue with their work of throwing out Shantanu. I remember your commentary on that episode and I was laughing so hard reading it. I am really looking forward to reading your comments on CB2. Right now, I am reading Kools commentry on PR and she has your witty style.

Chachoo was fabulous there.......Vaisali having an affair after marriage is ridiculous......I could have understood that she did a mistake before being married and she was forced to give that child up due to societies pressure and to protect her family. It does happen in real life.........specially she comes from a conservative family and she would have probably taken that route. But poor Dev........as it is Mrinu and dadima told him that Shanatnu is after his Radhika and now Chachoo is telling him that Shantanus father was not only after his mother Vaishali but also has done dingdong with her.......that makes Shantanu the offspring who is now after his wife.........😆 😆😆...poor Dev.😆.

Thanks for the MI.I don't know whether I will do it again from the beginning or not. Kools commentary in PR is fabulous........I have a nice chuckle reading it. There are couple of writers in the Pratigya forum who also do a commentary sort of update and they are also very witty.