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Posted: 16 years ago
#31

Originally posted by: -JC-

The problem is that i don't think i am clearly able to share my POV and why I seem to understand the characters, and all of them not just the ones that are "human". I can see where Radhika is coming from because of how her life has been.. same with Vish and same with Dev. They are a product of thier cicumstances and upbringing.. and do what they think is right according to those norms. Rads love is not understood by majority because its not the conventional "human" way of showing love. Its the silent, sacrifical and stone-hearted way of loving. Not everyone is that way.. actually most people are not that way. Its not in her desire to be perfect in the eyes of society that she shuns Dev and refuses to tell the truth. Its in her desire to prevent damage like death of Shashtriji and Dadi and the humiliation the truth will cause the Purohits and the Shashtris. Why is that hard to understand. If to do this she has to make herself immune to Dev's pleadings then so be it.

Just like some of you have a hard time understand how Rads can be so cruel to Dev, i have a hard time understanding how Dev can be so lost in his love that he doesn't see what the consequences are that lay ahead. Like the time he wanted Rads to confess her love and he kept making googlie eyes at Rads all in front of Chacha-Arjun-and Mrinu and even signed off a check without looking in that time. WTH? Where is the responsible Raj Purohit? Or asking Rads to remain in his sight... how selfish? What he doesn't expect Rads to ever have a life because he loves her.. so he will do as she bids and be a husband to her sister but he wants her around to witness it and never leave his house to possibly move on and marry someone else or he is not thinking what the world will think of her as she remains in her sister's house? So Dev is a highly emotional thinker and Rads is the opposite. If you can understand one, you must understand the other too.. because a balanced person would meet these two characters somewhere in the middle. It takes Radhika's counsel for Dev to understand what the future of his demands and behaviors are and it takes Dev's consel for Radhika to understand that she cannot completely ignore what she feels and her feelings are not dead and very much alive within her, ones she cannot bury.

So they need each other to be the way they are to bring a balance in this relationship. They love each other, the way they are. So why can't we love them the way they are and try and understand why they are the way they are.



It is hard to understand Radhika's thinking because to date, it has not provided the results she seems to expect. She is claiming to do all this for Shastriji and Purohit family, but in reality, have any of her efforts been successful? In fact, the situation has worsened and will continue to worsen. If Radhika truly cares about the reputation of the Purohit family, she wouldn't let Vishaka near them! This is not the first, second, or even THIRD time Vishaka has pulled this kind of behavior. Look at the anguish Vishaka has caused her own father. To a certain extent, Shastriji himself is to blame for this. The idea that marriage will "tame" Vishaka is rubbish. Instead, all he did was dump his responsibilities and problems on the Purohits.

By now, all of Vrindavan is aware that Vishaka ran away to become an actress. The townspeople are all gossiping about it, and it won't be long before the news reaches Delhi. Whatever 'izzat' the Purohits had is in jeopardy regardless of whether or not Vishaka comes back.

The reason I do not side with Radhika on anything is because everything she has done to date has not only hurt Dev, but has also hurt everyone else linked to this travesty. When is she going to realize that continuing to lie isn't actually benefiting anyone? My disdain for her character has not always been present. It has escalated as the show progressed. There was a certain point at which she crossed the line, when Dev came to know the truth about Vishaka. Before then you're probably right, Dev was thinking selfishly. He was only thinking about his love for Radhika and not considering his family. At that point, Vishaka was doing her drama of being a good bahu and he didn't realize it was just a drama. He thought she was making a genuine effort. Ultimately, he did listen to Radhika...at least until he realized the truth about Vishaka. After that, it was no longer JUST about how much he loved Radhika. He was as concerned for his family's honor as Radhika, because he knew Vishaka was a constant threat. He also saw how Vishaka treated Radhika by sending her off to that sleazy bar. Even if he wasn't in love with Radhika, what Vishaka did to her sister was despicable and showed her true character. And then, even after all that Rads did, Vishaka threw her under the bus when Purab came to the house. Dev was not only infuriated by the fact that Radhika had to endure all of this, but he also realized that the total lack of scruples is not good for his family.

By now though, cat is out of the bag. Everyone knows Vishaka was putting on pretenses. Everyone knows what her true desires are. And STILL Radhika would hesitate. How can she say that she is concerned for both families at this point? As far as Shastriji is concerned, Vishaka is dead. For the Purohits, their reputation is down the drain whether or not Vishaka returns.

Let's not pretend she is so innocent either. As I said, if she truly wanted Dev and Vishaka to come together, she should have remarried, stopped performing all the vrats and poojas, and stayed away so that Dev could move on with his life. She has put him in a very difficult position. Koolsadhu is right, he is being kicked around like a football between both sisters. Radhika is constantly dangling a carrot in front of him by not marrying. If she did this ages ago when her marriage to Keshav was fixed, it would have given him the closure he needed to move on.
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Posted: 16 years ago
#32

Originally posted by: nandanie

-JC- You are awesome in everything you have said....I know I couldnt put it better. I love the way you are supporting Dev in this topic. Dev is not mindless, by any means. A man isn't a man when he shouts and acts superior and his word is THE word or nothing else. <---Watch Loha Singh from Agle Janam Mohe...for that. My dear , my thinking is not so shallow to comprehend a man as a man when he shouts and acts superior and says his word is THE word . If u read my post carefully , u will see that I applauded Shastriji .......he didnt raise his voice or hit Devki or was ever stubborn that his word was THE word . He stuck to his principles and his belief in self respect , bas . Have u seen the movie Mirch Masala ? In that movie , an old Muslim Man played brilliantly by Om Puri defends a bunch of Hindu ladies inside a Chilly Powder making factory when all the village men stand against them by making an ego issue . The movie is a must see coz it explains the spirit of manliness that I am talking about . The Kanha that this serial talks about personifies it ............He is called as Purushottam , the spirit of manliness...........meaning , standing for what is right , always .
Dev is a man who can and wants to understand his love. The main aspect here is that he understands Radhika. He doesn't need to do anything else. He's not some wuss that just runs after his love. He's taking his decisions by what's appropriate. He's doing his duty as Raj Purohit. If he was so smitten by love and willing to be kicked around, the creatives wouldn't show him doing his duty-as a son, as a husband (to the fake wife), as a brother, as a son-in-law, and more importantly, as a human.
When no one else was willing to stand up and fight for Radhika, it was Dev who stood up for her.
So, viewers can try to tear these characters to shreds but in the end, stand one day in the shoes of one of those characters and see how well you will handle the situation you are in.

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Posted: 16 years ago
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Very well said Kool Sadhu. I agree with you almost entirely. The crux of the story is this: Radhika is a completely confused person - she has no idea what is right and what is wrong. She has all her emotions and priorities mixed up completely. Till recently, she listened to a higher power but now, she doesnt do that anymore either. She marches to her own beat and the beat of course is 'Vishaka' ! This may have been the result of years of abuse where now she probably identifies with and hates Vishaka immensely. Any ordinary human will in her circumstance. However, it is just not clear from the character's actions what she feels for Dev. At all. She never shows any emotion toward him and save for a few dialogues like I am very drawn to him or I dont want to give him up this time, she doesnt show anything. It is possible she feels very little for him. So much of her life has been consumed by Vishaka. Lets not forget that Radhika neither has any education or an avocation other than serving the Shastris. It is clear she is obsessed by her sister...

Now, Dev - it is very strange that this character is so obsessed by Radhika. I am almost certain a part of the draw is the fact that she is unattainable by him. She is still a part of his fantasy . In addition, he is almost afraid of telling her she is wrong - which she is almost always. This shows that he has put her up on a pedestal and will not bring her down. Radhika has pretty much run his personal life single handedly. As Kool Sadhu said, she is one of those people who needs pain to be happy - a masochist. She really needs psychiatric help. No jokes. A person who is well travelled and has seen life to the extent that Dev has can easily see this. Why does he not want to help her the right way. Let us say, Vishaka agrees to come back with him. So what? Who wants her back? Why cant Dev say that in those words? Radhika wants to meet Vishaka - a person who can impulsively give up anybody...for what good? Why cant Dev ask her that? In addition, Dev is also patchy. He is all too noble with Radhika but with Vishaka - he never was honest. Why couldnt he for one moment tell her that mistook her for someone else and the marriage was based on a lie (from his perspective anyway). Vishaka has been honest with him about her dreams, why not him about his own?

The creatives have sought to create an extreme victim in Radhika with everyone around her a villain and Dev her ultimate Knight in Shining armor. This hasnt worked so well so far because out here, the damsel doesnt want to be rescued
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Posted: 16 years ago
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My dear , my thinking is not so shallow to comprehend a man as a man when he shouts and acts superior and says his word is THE word . If u read my post carefully , u will see that I applauded Shastriji .......he didnt raise his voice or hit Devki or was ever stubborn that his word was THE word . He stuck to his principles and his belief in self respect , bas . Have u seen the movie Mirch Masala ? In that movie , an old Muslim Man played brilliantly by Om Puri defends a bunch of Hindu ladies inside a Chilly Powder making factory when all the village men stand against them by making an ego issue . The movie is a must see coz it explains the spirit of manliness that I am talking about . The Kanha that this serial talks about personifies it ............He is called as Purushottam , the spirit of manliness...........meaning , standing for what is right , always .
As to the previous, how is Shastriji any better than Devki or Amma?? He never once tried to obtain Radhika's rights. He's as blind to what is going on in his own home as Amma is blind in regards to Vishaka. If he truly treated Radhika as a daughter, he would not have let so many insults come her way. Whereas, the creatives have portrayed Dev as being the one who is willing to fight for Radhika's rights.
Radhika, herself, should fight for her own rights, but she's been trampled on her whole life and has been lead to believe that she's not worth it. She still feels she's not worthy of Dev's love. All that I'm saying is look deeper into the characters that the creatives are trying to portray....to understand what's going on, you need to look at their background and their beliefs....
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Posted: 16 years ago
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@Koolsadhu: I think we differ in what we judge as the right thing to do in RaDev situation. from your posts i feel that you would support Dev if he had divorced Vish the day after he found out she is not his dream girl and found out Radhika and married her. I would not have supported him had he done that. Because to me the tradition of marriage means something... even if it doesn't happen exactly the way we wanted it. For Dev as long as he doesn't know that he didn't marry Vish at all, he is still responsible for her as a husband. So i didn't have a problem with Rads who even though knows the truth was pushing Dev to Vish. Becuase the situation Rads was in, she has no reason to believe that the truth will come out any which way. She took it as God's will that even though she got married ritualistically she still had to live away from the man who married her and her sister took her place. So even after accepting the fact that she is a married woman and Dev is her pati, she still did everything to maintain Dev and Vish's relationship because she accepted what happened to be God's will. And it is that fundamental belief that is being overthrown now. Because now she is wondering how it can be that at that time it was Kanha's will that Vish go with Dev as his wife and now Kanha is telling her to accept her role as Dev's patni.

The confusion is there but its not something to hate her for. Its a confusion that all of us feel when we accept something as our fate and try to live with it looking at the positive side of it and then that belief is proven completely wrong. Radhika's question to Kanha "How can this be your will" was because she took the first incident of her being stripped of wifely rights as Kanha's decision and to accept that decision as so she had to believe that it was right and just that Vish remains the wife of Dev in front of everyone.. cuz God would not let anything wrong or unjust happen. That is also the reason she strongly supported Vish as CB or Purohit house, because in all of it she saw Kanha's will.
And now her mind is not allowing her to accept that the reversal of that situation is also Kanha's wish. So obviously she is confused as to what is right and what is wrong. There is nothing wrong with being that confused.. its very human.

As for Dev's decision making skills, i think i have said this before in another post in this thread, that just because we decide to do something only after someone else points out the right way to us, doesn't mean that we are manipulated by that person. If a friend advices us on something, its still we who make the decision to follow that advice, not because our friend wants us to do it but because the logic of their argument appeals to us. Its that with Dev and Radhika. Everytime she has pointed out what he needs to do for his family and as Raj Purohit, Dev has listened because he also places importance on these things and was only temporarily blinded by his immense love and desire for Rads. But if Rads had gave in and allowed Dev to follow his heart he would have eventually hated himself, like the way he hated himself when his father died and he blamed himself for being selfish and wanting to run away from his duties and responsibilities as a son. At that time he even blamed his love for Rads and cursed at himself. That would have been his state if Rads had allowed him to completely forget his duties and like the life his heart wanted to live. He would have lived in guilt ... as possibly his Dadi would have died too and his mother would refuse to acknowlege him as Shashtriji is doing to Vish now, and the whole world would have seen him as a culprit.

The positive of it would be that Rads was with him, but she too would be deemed a husband stealer. And Dev would not be happy at all without the support of his family. He focuses so much on Rads because of his romantic nature. Rads focuses so much on everything else but Dev because of her practical, realistic nature. I would not say one is right over the other. They both need to find a balance. But then if they were that perfectly balanced there would hardly be any drama in this show.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: nandanie

My dear , my thinking is not so shallow to comprehend a man as a man when he shouts and acts superior and says his word is THE word . If u read my post carefully , u will see that I applauded Shastriji .......he didnt raise his voice or hit Devki or was ever stubborn that his word was THE word . He stuck to his principles and his belief in self respect , bas . Have u seen the movie Mirch Masala ? In that movie , an old Muslim Man played brilliantly by Om Puri defends a bunch of Hindu ladies inside a Chilly Powder making factory when all the village men stand against them by making an ego issue . The movie is a must see coz it explains the spirit of manliness that I am talking about . The Kanha that this serial talks about personifies it ............He is called as Purushottam , the spirit of manliness...........meaning , standing for what is right , always .
As to the previous, how is Shastriji any better than Devki or Amma?? He never once tried to obtain Radhika's rights. He's as blind to what is going on in his own home as Amma is blind in regards to Vishaka. If he truly treated Radhika as a daughter, he would not have let so many insults come her way. Whereas, the creatives have portrayed Dev as being the one who is willing to fight for Radhika's rights.
Radhika, herself, should fight for her own rights, but she's been trampled on her whole life and has been lead to believe that she's not worth it. She still feels she's not worthy of Dev's love. All that I'm saying is look deeper into the characters that the creatives are trying to portray....to understand what's going on, you need to look at their background and their beliefs....

I am only talking about Shastriji's decision making ability as a man here ............he didn't cave in before the rona dhona of three three women like Amma , Devki , Radhika ............and we all know how forceful Amma can be , and how persuasive Devki's argument about the nine months Vishakha was in my womb was . Radhika toh is Vishakha's perpetual lawyer . Still Shastri stood firm . Finally the argument that even Vishakha's in laws r still ready to forgive her was given to him but he firmly said even if they do it doesn't affect my decision . Just the way Radhika told Dev firmly .........my decision wont change , when he persuaded her to leave the ashram by bringing Shastriji there . Decision making ability is the shining armour of a male character too u know , it isnt just the prerogative of women characters .
As far as how is Shastriji better than Amma or Devki is concerned , I am sorry i dont agree with u here . No one else defends Radhika ..........only he does and did . She owes her existence to him , and being a man he goes out of the house often , controlling a woman like Amma really isn't possible for even Brahmadeva . Putting shastri in same league like silent Devki or greedy Amma simply isnt fair in my opinion . He may not be perfect but he did his best and was the only human being besides Dev in this serial who tried to give Radhika a fair deal . If he is in the same league as Devki and Amma , why r they trying their level best to hide the fact of the real shaadi from him so desperately ? Coz my dear , he is not .........very much not in their league and they know it damn well ! Coz he will do Tarpan of Devki if he understands that she went along with this scheme just like he did Tarpan of Vishakha ! And honestly dear , I wish they do show a second Tarpan............of Devki .😆
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Posted: 16 years ago
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I think you are being unfair to Dev in expecting him to take decision the level of Shashtriji. Radhika may take firm decisions but she too can be swayed under circumstances like Shashtriji committing suicide. Dev can also take firm decisions, like deciding to go to America and not changing his mind even after knowing what his family expected of him or even after being announced the Raj Purohit. If his father's death had not shaken him that much he would have stuck by that decision and left. So he is not incapable of making firm decisions but he doesn't force his decisions where Radhika is concerned and that I believe is his respect and love for Radhika...comes from being submissive in that relationship. I find that a very attractive quality in my man. So i don't consider Dev to be any less of a man.. so far. It is to be seen how he will behave in the future after knowing that Rads is his real wife and she hid that fact from him all this time while lecturing to him. That will be the real test of his character, whether he is as strong as i believe he is or he will succumb to the fact that his heart is weak after Radhika.
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Posted: 16 years ago
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in simple words.... dev loves rads and they both believe in Tyag/ sacrifice in love and not fights for gaining ur love. Radev love is eternal like radha and kanhaji. they don't require marriage ties for their love to remains as is but only for the outside world our dev is trying to fix the things..... thats why Dev is agreeing to Rad's each sentence ..... as he cannt see her sad n unhappy while getting married & 2nd thing is though rad is not sure of Vish, he is very sure that Vish is not going to come back and he is surely going to get married to Rads as its kanha's wish now....... so he is just taking care of his rads every wish yaar........... samajha karo
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Posted: 16 years ago
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cool discussion ! 👏 i'll take time out and read all the posts and different view points...actually both Dev and Radhika are at fault and at the same time but both are innocent and victim of circumstances..we can't blame either of them..one's action is affecting the other's decision
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Posted: 16 years ago
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Originally posted by: koolsadhu1000

I am only talking about Shastriji's decision making ability as a man here ............he didn't cave in before the rona dhona of three three women like Amma , Devki , Radhika ............and we all know how forceful Amma can be , and how persuasive Devki's argument about the nine months Vishakha was in my womb was . Radhika toh is Vishakha's perpetual lawyer . Still Shastri stood firm . Finally the argument that even Vishakha's in laws r still ready to forgive her was given to him but he firmly said even if they do it doesn't affect my decision . Just the way Radhika told Dev firmly .........my decision wont change , when he persuaded her to leave the ashram by bringing Shastriji there . Decision making ability is the shining armour of a male character too u know , it isnt just the prerogative of women characters .
As far as how is Shastriji better than Amma or Devki is concerned , I am sorry i dont agree with u here . No one else defends Radhika ..........only he does and did . She owes her existence to him , and being a man he goes out of the house often , controlling a woman like Amma really isn't possible for even Brahmadeva . Putting shastri in same league like silent Devki or greedy Amma simply isnt fair in my opinion . He may not be perfect but he did his best and was the only human being besides Dev in this serial who tried to give Radhika a fair deal . If he is in the same league as Devki and Amma , why r they trying their level best to hide the fact of the real shaadi from him so desperately ? Coz my dear , he is not .........very much not in their league and they know it damn well ! Coz he will do Tarpan of Devki if he understands that she went along with this scheme just like he did Tarpan of Vishakha ! And honestly dear , I wish they do show a second Tarpan............of Devki .😆

Ok, I will give you that much, the last paragraph, I do agree. I was referring to Shartri in the sense that he never really fought for Radhika's rights...He, being a pandit of a village, dont you think that what he says and does might be looked upon as the golden rule?? If, for once he told everyone in that community that Radhika should enter the temple and she has every right like everyone else, dont you think they might have agreed? But that never happened....but then again, there wouldn't be a serial about a girl who is always looked down upon....
Where you would like to see the second Tarpan of Devki, I would like to see the Tarpan of Amma. Or shoudn't I speak ill of the elderly??? 😕

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