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Chhaya,s yearning for her child is very poignant and you have potrayed the mother,s feelings for her son very beautifully ..

Originally posted by: angake

Misti beautiful work. I had tears in my eyes. The last para of the first poem touched me so deeply. I read in one of your post that you felt Chaaya was one of the most tragic characters in CB. So true. I totally feel that way too. And that would have been such a wonderful track, Chaaya and Dev. I have always loved the way Avinash has portrayed Dev in pain and anguish. Avi would have totally done justice to such a track.

You know your poems brought back a scene in CB1 that used to be one of my favorite scenes just for the poignancy it depicted of a motherless girl desperately wanting a mother's love. I think it was right after Devki catches Radhika and Dev in the kund where Radhika drowns and Dev saves her. Devki then totally ignores Radhika when she gets home. Radhika pleads Devki asking her the reason why she is ignoring her. My goodness that was such a heart wrenchingly beautiful scene. I am not sure why I associated this particular scene with your poems. But something about love denied between a parent and child gets to me. Thanks Misti for the beautiful poems.

Originally posted by: angake

Misti beautiful work. I had tears in my eyes. The last para of the first poem touched me so deeply. I read in one of your post that you felt Chaaya was one of the most tragic characters in CB. So true. I totally feel that way too. And that would have been such a wonderful track, Chaaya and Dev. I have always loved the way Avinash has portrayed Dev in pain and anguish. Avi would have totally done justice to such a track.

You know your poems brought back a scene in CB1 that used to be one of my favorite scenes just for the poignancy it depicted of a motherless girl desperately wanting a mother's love. I think it was right after Devki catches Radhika and Dev in the kund where Radhika drowns and Dev saves her. Devki then totally ignores Radhika when she gets home. Radhika pleads Devki asking her the reason why she is ignoring her. My goodness that was such a heart wrenchingly beautiful scene. I am not sure why I associated this particular scene with your poems. But something about love denied between a parent and child gets to me. Thanks Misti for the beautiful poems.

Originally posted by: Neerjaa

Chhaya,s yearning for her child is very poignant and you have potrayed the mother,s feelings for her son very beautifully ..

Misti ... what a beautiful and heart wrenching poem ... i could picture a woman sitting by the window side waiting for her son to come back ...wonderful writing, misti -

dont want to vent any more ... but like you, i saw cb2 from dev's perspective and felt that they could have exploited avinash's talents at showing these emotions more ... while i really enjoyed the rb track and ruby, etc ... i feel that the dev/chayya track was more of a priority esp the way the story had been set up. Even in the earlier weeks while they did a great job of showing dev's emotions at having to give up rads, they did not show enough of the despair of young man who was truly alone in that mad house. The earlier story (i remember avinash talking abt this in one of the sbb/sbs) was that dev would go out to seek his birth parents ...

Angie ... thanks for settting up the index to misti's poems from cb1 and cb2 ... now i can go back and read all of them

Thank you Angie.

Now that the inevitable has happened, it really is nice to come here and read all of us reminiscing about the good parts of CB.

I couldn't agree with you more on Dev and Chaaya. And so true about Sushmita and Saurav. They all would have done such spectacular justice provided the track was dealt with sensitivity.

The scene you mention about Vishaka and Radhika - I can never forget. It is etched in my heart. The disparity between the two girls were astounding. But what was worse was Radhika's unquestioning acceptance of this disparity. And this was the reason that I had a hard time getting mad at Radhika for all the nonsense she did even though I knew that she was using and hurting Dev who didn't deserve that kind of treatment from anybody.

And Devki -- yes no matter what she did later on she could never redeem herself in my eyes. Also, I know I was in the minority on CB1 forum but as much as I loved Shastriji I could never forgive him for the role he played in raising Vishaka as a spoilt brat and Radhika as a second hand citizen in that house. And when I saw Mansaram later on, even though the situation was very different, I thought he was a far superior father than Shastriji ever was.

@Misti, *sigh* yes the jhula episode. Amma actually slapped Radhika. The audacity of that woman. Yup that was the time when Radhika truly broke but I think that was also the track when Radhika truly realized that she needs to be with DEv no matter wheat her status would be in is life. Wasn't that when she got the courage to break free from Devki's grasp and run behind Dev's car. And Dev, he was so wonderful during this whole track. His support to take her inside the temple, his fear when he loses her momentarily, his unconditional love when they rock the jhula, his anger and pain at seeing the hand print marks on her cheek, his worry when he couldn't find her when they were leaving and finally when he comes back and picks her up from the road... these scenes are forever imprinted in my brain.

I am so sorry I am going on and on about CB1. I know this is the CB2 forum. But I just couldn't connect with the CB2 and can't speak about the CB2 scenes with the same passion as I can about CB1. So if you guys get totally irritated with me let me know and I'll stop. 😃

angake ...it is so nice to see you back ... love re-living cb1 through your eyes ... 😊

Originally posted by: rajsri

Misti ... what a beautiful and heart wrenching poem ... i could picture a woman sitting by the window side waiting for her son to come back ...wonderful writing, misti -

dont want to vent any more ... but like you, i saw cb2 from dev's perspective and felt that they could have exploited avinash's talents at showing these emotions more ... while i really enjoyed the rb track and ruby, etc ... i feel that the dev/chayya track was more of a priority esp the way the story had been set up. Even in the earlier weeks while they did a great job of showing dev's emotions at having to give up rads, they did not show enough of the despair of young man who was truly alone in that mad house. The earlier story (i remember avinash talking abt this in one of the sbb/sbs) was that dev would go out to seek his birth parents ...

Angie ... thanks for settting up the index to misti's poems from cb1 and cb2 ... now i can go back and read all of them

Originally posted by: rajsri

Misti ... what a beautiful and heart wrenching poem ... i could picture a woman sitting by the window side waiting for her son to come back ...wonderful writing, misti - Thanks Rajsri.

dont want to vent any more ... but like you, i saw cb2 from dev's perspective and felt that they could have exploited avinash's talents at showing these emotions more ..Yes I also feel the same. I will like to add something more here Rajsri that even if one sees the show from Radhika's perspective then also Dev-Chaya track has importance since Chaya is Dev's birth mother and Radhika is the one who does everything for Dev and keeping his well being in her mind. So it is not the perspective regarding looking at the story, but it was more to do with the fact that Dev was not important to the makers. . while i really enjoyed the rb track and ruby, etc ... i feel that the dev/chayya track was more of a priority esp the way the story had been set up.Yes...and even the RB/Ruby track could have been used to get loads of closures regarding Dev's behaviour but it was again misused. Even in the earlier weeks while they did a great job of showing dev's emotions at having to give up rads, they did not show enough of the despair of young man who was truly alone in that mad house. Yes and that used to confuse me a lot...... The earlier story (i remember avinash talking abt this in one of the sbb/sbs) was that dev would go out to seek his birth parents ...Yes I remember that too and that would have been much more logical...

Angie ... thanks for settting up the index to misti's poems from cb1 and cb2 ... now i can go back and read all of them...Rajsri Angie has much more patience than I have.😳

Originally posted by: angake

Thank you Angie.

Now that the inevitable has happened, it really is nice to come here and read all of us reminiscing about the good parts of CB.

I couldn't agree with you more on Dev and Chaaya. And so true about Sushmita and Saurav. They all would have done such spectacular justice provided the track was dealt with sensitivity.

The scene you mention about Vishaka and Radhika - I can never forget. It is etched in my heart. The disparity between the two girls were astounding. But what was worse was Radhika's unquestioning acceptance of this disparity. And this was the reason that I had a hard time getting mad at Radhika for all the nonsense she did even though I knew that she was using and hurting Dev who didn't deserve that kind of treatment from anybody.

And Devki -- yes no matter what she did later on she could never redeem herself in my eyes. Also, I know I was in the minority on CB1 forum but as much as I loved Shastriji I could never forgive him for the role he played in raising Vishaka as a spoilt brat and Radhika as a second hand citizen in that house. And when I saw Mansaram later on, even though the situation was very different, I thought he was a far superior father than Shastriji ever was.

Angake, Devki kept up with her different treatment until the very end just as Padma did with Dev and by extension with Radhika as Radhika was Dev's wife. Devki tried to break up Radhika's marriage, and tried to keep Radhika away from Dev as much as she could. She was god fearing and so that's why she used to be scared that she was doing wrong. But it was not because she had Radhika's interests at heart. She just was manipulative because she had hold on Radhika as she used to throw crumbs at Radhika by praising her or showing her how much she relied on her. She had a tendency to play good cop vs. Amma's bad cop to Radhika and Radhika was too emotionally damaged to understand that. Even after 5 years despite knowing that Radhika went through all that pain because of them, she in the end again used Radhika for getting back Vishaka. Even when she told the truth about the first marriage, it was not instant. Radhika was shown scared for days that Devki may not tell the truth. It was only after constant pleading by Shastriji and when he almost had an heart attack, she opened her mouth. This after knowing that Radhika was now Dev's wife publicly and how Vishaka was tormenting the whole PF because of that divorce not getting through.

I have the same feeling about Shastriji who was not a good father. He did have love for Radhika and considered her his daughter. But he brought her up as a charity case and very rarely made efforts to give her rights. Also he expected perfection from her and would be harsh with her even if she made the slightest mistake. So even though it was his mother/wife/daughter who had forced Radhika to live that lie, he blamed her too. Also he was never good in my eyes after he came to know that Amma had tried to cause permanent damage to Radhika's hands. Instead of punishing her, he was pleading with her to stay at home and then allowed her to go to Dev's house to create havoc.

So my complaint from CB1 was that they ended up going to that leap without having any proper exposure for Amma/Devki and without having any punishment for them.

Mansa was a much superior father who couldn't always prevent Shanti's abuse. But always stood up for Radhika's rights and didn't let Shanti take away her dreams. In fact, Radhika's dream became his dream and he did everything he could to fulfill that dream. He made sure that Radhika could complete her studies and also get her KK. There was unconditional love for Radhika and Radhika was his true daughter.

@Misti, *sigh* yes the jhula episode. Amma actually slapped Radhika. The audacity of that woman. Yup that was the time when Radhika truly broke but I think that was also the track when Radhika truly realized that she needs to be with DEv no matter wheat her status would be in is life. Wasn't that when she got the courage to break free from Devki's grasp and run behind Dev's car. And Dev, he was so wonderful during this whole track. His support to take her inside the temple, his fear when he loses her momentarily, his unconditional love when they rock the jhula, his anger and pain at seeing the hand print marks on her cheek, his worry when he couldn't find her when they were leaving and finally when he comes back and picks her up from the road... these scenes are forever imprinted in my brain.

Angake, in CB1 too they showed that as much as Radhika used to feel suffocated, she would break free once in a while when she would see how much Dev was suffering. So when his life would be in danger, she could break free. Radhika of CB1 was similar to Dev of CB2 in that regards that it used to take extreme for her to break free. But again full realization was never shown for Radhika as by that time, CB creatives had lost interest in her. The only difference between CB1 and CB2 was that in CB1 it was after a year and a half where it happened. In CB2, it happened after 5-6 months.

Dev became everyone's favorite because of his love for Radhika as there was so much sympathy for Radhika in those days. Also they showed a very progressive PF where Dev, Dadima and senior RP were shown to be quite progressive. Even Vivek used to support Dev rather than his narrow minded mother. Of course they took the easy way in the second year, but in the first year it was quite a progressive show.

I am so sorry I am going on and on about CB1. I know this is the CB2 forum. But I just couldn't connect with the CB2 and can't speak about the CB2 scenes with the same passion as I can about CB1. So if you guys get totally irritated with me let me know and I'll stop. 😃

Angake, I personally have no problem with you talking about CB1 as CB1 was where viewers got connected to Dev and Radhika's characters. And that passion was never the same for CB2 for a lot of viewers because of inconsistency in story from the very beginning.

The first week of CB2 had confused me because suddenly all characters were behaving in a topsy turvy manner from the way it was shown in childhood. It was only much later that you could figure out the reasons for their behavior. If they had connected the characters to their different behavior properly with the childhood, it would have made an impact. They never bothered to establish a strong base but instead went into one story after another from the first week of the show. In other top shows I have seen, I see how much time they spent on establishing characters - both main leads and side characters. Also they were trying to use the parts that they felt made CB1 popular in CB2 even if those parts did not fit because of a different story.

I feel connected to CB2 too maybe I was there in CB2 from the beginning to the end and also because I participated so much during CB2 too. But CB2 was unfairly treated.

But to me CB2 was more of a love story than CB1 because of the way Dev and Radhika's characters were created. Radhika of course only existed for Dev. But Dev too had his priorities. One of a very nice scene they showed in the childhood was between Virat and Dev. Virat was tormenting Dev and Dev was taking it quietly until Virat took his book. Even then Dev was politely asking Virat to return to him. But when Virat started tearing it up, Dev picked up a stone to hit him. So they showed that Dev would keep quiet because of his obligations and not because of any fear as he was shown quite fearless. But if it came to losing important things in his life, he would get away from his feelings of obligations, he would break from that. It was Dai who was shown holding him back and giving him wrong advise by misquoting Gita. They showed that same behavior pattern in the adulthood. Also they showed this basic innocence in Dev where he always looked for good in others. That too remained unchanged.

The problem with CB2 was its execution. They never connected the story from one week to another. Of course the theme of the show - divine love between Dev and Radhika as well as Kanha protecting them was still maintained for the first part of the show. But it got violated badly in the second part of CB2 and that eventually caused it to be shut before its time.