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Originally posted by: lunza

Yes , and it isn't even one article or one comment in some social media site. Literally everyone from bwood having been talking about his interest in astrophysics and quantum physics. There have been many observations about his awkward body language and replies in interviews. All this has been attributed to his shyness and introverted-ness and how he couldn't connect with anyone because of these reasons.

Sorry, but I have never bought it. Yes, he has always been reading science-y books , but in all the years he did TV and even after the first film, do you ever remember that everything that was spoken about him was only about his intellectual interests? Or him being this painfully shy person? No, he wasn't that.

I have always felt that something about the SDR promotions experience made him very self conscious and he lost his confidence to be himself. There have been times I have felt that he wasn't that confident about communicating his thoughts in conversational English the way he could in Hindi - and just put way too much pressure on himself to cover that up. That's where it all started - the lack of confidence. That led to overcompensation through exaggerated body language and enunciations - in interviews, movie press conferences, and other public appearances. Later , it morphed into philosophical interview replies and revamping his social media accounts. Then the narrative of "I am awkward, introverted, painfully shy - so I can't put my thoughts well in words"

You only have to read the accounts of his coactors from PR who have been remembering him. They haven't been talking about how he used to talk science to make conversations.

Interesting. Now you are making me think back too. I was wondering if I had just lost touch in recent years and that is why I didn't remember if he was always this much into astronomy and science. But my memory of him from the PR/JDJ years is that yes, he was always super into books and somewhat into philosophy....Ankita always mentioned his love for books too I guess.....but I don't really specifically recall him talking about astronomy so much back then.

I thought this was a recent hobby he acquired in the last 5-6 years....lol I suppose I just assumed he evolved into finding different interests with time. People do change over time.

Looking at these old JDJ vids....he does seem kinda introverted and awkward then also....maybe his bolly PR people figured it was time to clarify that narrative to give him like a one line bio of painfully shy/awkward as an introduction point for his social media journey.

But you make a valid point....he didn't seem lacking in confidence in his PR/JDJ days....some of that self consciousness seemed to come in later....I can't recall when but yeah it's possible when he started doing more IVs in English during promotional tours for his movies, that he got more self conscious....cuz on TV toh he was able to speak in Hindi in most IVs.

Originally posted by: lunza

Yes , and it isn't even one article or one comment in some social media site. Literally everyone from bwood having been talking about his interest in astrophysics and quantum physics. There have been many observations about his awkward body language and replies in interviews. All this has been attributed to his shyness and introverted-ness and how he couldn't connect with anyone because of these reasons.

Sorry, but I have never bought it. Yes, he has always been reading science-y books , but in all the years he did TV and even after the first film, do you ever remember that everything that was spoken about him was only about his intellectual interests? Or him being this painfully shy person? No, he wasn't that.

I have always felt that something about the SDR promotions experience made him very self conscious and he lost his confidence to be himself. There have been times I have felt that he wasn't that confident about communicating his thoughts in conversational English the way he could in Hindi - and just put way too much pressure on himself to cover that up. That's where it all started - the lack of confidence. That led to overcompensation through exaggerated body language and enunciations - in interviews, movie press conferences, and other public appearances. Later , it morphed into philosophical interview replies and revamping his social media accounts. Then the narrative of "I am awkward, introverted, painfully shy - so I can't put my thoughts well in words"

You only have to read the accounts of his coactors from PR who have been remembering him. They haven't been talking about how he used to talk science to make conversations.

Girl yes! I was having the same thoughts after reading post after post about his love of astrophysics... Like yes on one hand he he did seem to talk about it a lot more in recent years, and I can't blame celebrities for only knowing that much about him if that's all he ever told them about himself, but on the other hand... just no. The fact that physics and introversion are dominating the conversation about him is really bothersome to me. I can't judge how others grieve or what they want to remember him by, but I can say that it doesn't resonate with me at all... though I think this partly rubs me the wrong way because I'm tired of the 'STEM = smart' narrative. In some ways maybe I'm just disappointed that more people never got to see his sense of humor or engage in any repartee with him.

You hit the nail on the head regarding the transformation that took place. I had completely forgotten how much I enjoyed that they primarily spoke in Hindi during TV segments! It was refreshing how well he used to express himself in Hindi. I so loved their unabashed desipan... speaking in Hindi, eating roadside food (that made them sick lol), late night long drives to Lonavala being the ~most~ romantic thing imaginable... They were bound to change with time (and money), but I loved how genuine they were.

And oh boy the SDR promotions bring back so many memories, and not necessarily good ones lol...

Originally posted by: AreYaar

All I remember is the barrage of sudden negative coverage about Ankita basically trying to paint her as a crazy shrew who was dragging Sushant down. It was really ridiculous and a bunch of people were quick to pile on to it. In the end, it was presented almost as if Sushant couldn't bear her so he cut the cord and Ankita was so clueless that she couldn't accept that he'd broken up with her. That is the worst memory from that phase that I still remember.....Ankita giving quotes in the initial day or two that none of this news is true and that she loves Sushant unconditionally and then a day later, he posts some ridiculous tweets or something on social media and takes off. One could almost feel the silent shattering as Anika realized he had tossed her aside in such a way. There was no explanation, nothing. Just a totally abrupt break....and then as you said, they never really addressed it in any interview even years later. That itself speaks volumes.

Yes, off late they were back to being kind of polite and cordial even in speaking about each other in interviews but the moment of break was definitely handled in a terrible manner. Which is again why I'm saying there seems to be a precedent for Sushant acting rashly for whatever reason. It seems like he did it in Ankita's case too, whether it was someone egging him on to break up with her for his career's sake or whether it was some other internal fallout, we can't say....but the decision itself seemed to be taken rashly. It also just made one wonder in some ways who was keeping that relationship together in the face of conflict and challenges.

Whatever it was, it does seem like he went through some messed up phases mentally, made some rash decisions and ultimately didn't have a support system when he needed it during a low phase.

Oh gosh I remember feeling physically nauseous over the smear campaign that was put out on her. I was blindsided and apparently she was too. I was so so SO upset and in disbelief that something like that could happen. The whole bolded part is exactly what made me feel the anger and resentment and disappointment that I have ever since it happened, and you summed it up so well. And it made me feel even more sick when I thought about the position he left her in... alone, confused, defenseless against the media onslaught, and surrounded by all of his shit in the home they made together. While he was in another country and uncontactable. Just unbelievable, and when I write it out I still can't believe that's what happened (and would again probably doubt myself if I didn't have it all written down in the first place, because the narrative in the media is so different).

I really appreciate your perspective on the pattern it shows of rash decisions and going through phases of not being well. In some way it brings me closer to fully accepting it and wrapping my head around it all. I will never know why he did what he did, but its becoming clearer that it wasn't coming from a necessarily vindictive place, and he may not have realized the full and far-reaching range of consequences of his decisions before he took them.

Girl are you a counselor of some sort? I usually consider empathy one of my strong suits, but with this specific topic I could never even get past the fact that it happened in the first place. Really feeling like I made a breakthrough or something today. I didn't want to be resentful of a dead man and talking it out has really helped, thank you.

The astrophysics thing that every BW celebrity is writing about, from PC to saif, seems utterly fake to me to be honest. Not that he was interested in it, (we know he was, but then he was interested in reading ALL types of books, even financial, fiction, philosophy) but the fact that people are using the astrophysics point to emphasize that they knew him well and he was wonderful. I think they are just copying that thing from each other's interviews or looked up his Instagram quickly wondering what to write with the RIP post, or had this brief conversation because he apparently carried his telescope with him so they had like this only thing to make short talk/polite conversation with him. Because otherwise I can't imagine him going to just about any celebrity he met for the first time and rattling about astrophysics.

Maybe I feel that way because I feel that all celebrities are fake and their posts ring hollow, most of them weren't even his friends or hang out with him, and yet you have saif giving a whole interview about him. You won't find his real friends going on and on about the things the celebs are talking about . They will talk about his goofiness and the masti they did on sets and house parties later and the fact that he could eat six paranthas at a time with a glass of lassi!!

I don't remember how to add IG posts on here, but have any of you seen Karanveer Mehra's post? That's what I'm talking about!!! That is how I feel he deserves to be remembered. It was so heartfelt and sweet. Some of the pictures are ridiculous but I love it - those are the weirdos I remember! And that's how I want to remember him and his life when it's all said and done.

The way the other PR actors remembered him was lovely as well. And for some reason I really liked Arjun Bijlani's "no rip for u"... it shows a real familiarity that the formality posts are missing.

Not that I have anything against those either, people can express their grief as they wish and the people he met later could only get to know him as much as he would let them... but anyway why am I justifying myself y'all know what I mean lol go look at Karanveer's post

Edit figured it out... been a long while y'all:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CBfz7QrjdBT/?igshid=1c0vvebasz87k

https://www.instagram.com/p/CBf0I38jGeW/?igshid=1b3thp6b1x686

Yes thankyou THIS is what I was talking about!

And yes I read Arjun Bijlani's post too- he seemed angry and truly broken and it totally tugged my heart strings!

I keep coming back to read this one, it really struck a chord with me. It makes me smile because it feels so... genuine. I know I'm overusing that word but really there's no hidden agenda, just a lot of memories...

Also, I have to let this out somewhere - Rohini Iyer's post really rubbed me the wrong way. I felt like it glorifies and romanticizes many of the things that may have contributed to his mental and emotional struggles. Burning a bridge is hard and takes a toll on you at one point or another. Not caring about people or friends (or anything else in the world apparently) isn't exactly the healthiest way to live... Made me appreciate Karan's post even more because he readily acknowledged that there are a hundred other people who probably felt the same way but he was just here to share his story.

There is too much chatter around SSR now, most of it is just without any logic or basis. I am getting tired of reading up that he had so much, he should have been content.... blah.

We as a society have failed people suffering from depression. Its still talked about in such hushed tones here, trying to figure why he was sad... I mean its a disease, like cancer. Noone knows who gets it and why, its not your circumstances or situation in life which dictates who gets cancer... same for depression. I agree that some part is contributed by social environment etc, but the trigger may be biological, or other reasons.

Same for Sushant, he may have been feeling lost or just some unknown cause. We will never know, but don't think we can ever justify it with he should have been content with what he had... That's utter crap, and it angers me so much to read such rubbish statements thrown around so callously. Sorry, I have gone on another tangent here, but there are too many posts and random statements on him, which is annoying me so much.

Originally posted by: toothbrush13

Oh gosh I remember feeling physically nauseous over the smear campaign that was put out on her. I was blindsided and apparently she was too. I was so so SO upset and in disbelief that something like that could happen. The whole bolded part is exactly what made me feel the anger and resentment and disappointment that I have ever since it happened, and you summed it up so well. And it made me feel even more sick when I thought about the position he left her in... alone, confused, defenseless against the media onslaught, and surrounded by all of his shit in the home they made together. While he was in another country and uncontactable. Just unbelievable, and when I write it out I still can't believe that's what happened (and would again probably doubt myself if I didn't have it all written down in the first place, because the narrative in the media is so different).

I really appreciate your perspective on the pattern it shows of rash decisions and going through phases of not being well. In some way it brings me closer to fully accepting it and wrapping my head around it all. I will never know why he did what he did, but its becoming clearer that it wasn't coming from a necessarily vindictive place, and he may not have realized the full and far-reaching range of consequences of his decisions before he took them.

Girl are you a counselor of some sort? I usually consider empathy one of my strong suits, but with this specific topic I could never even get past the fact that it happened in the first place. Really feeling like I made a breakthrough or something today. I didn't want to be resentful of a dead man and talking it out has really helped, thank you.

LOL no, I'm not a counselor....haha. I guess I have a philosophical streak that comes out sometimes. Sushant's passing made me reflective about some things so all of these thoughts are a result of that. But glad I was able to help you find some kind of breakthrough :)

Re: the breakup....I never thought even back then that he did anything from a vindictive space. To me it felt like he was selfish and short-sighted about all this even back then. We forget sometimes that he was quite young....had just turned 30 around that time I guess. And people take rash decisions in youthful impulses sometimes too. That said, I do feel he had some demons he grappled with inside that he didn't know how to reconcile to so he ended up pushing away or taking for granted the people who loved him deeply.

I mean I'm reading that even his father didn't seem to have any real idea about his state of mind....the fact that he was that disconnected from his own family is also worth reflecting on.

He treated Ankita badly in that phase and yet somehow he's ended up being such a tragic figure that one can only pity what was lost....that is the story of human nature and relationships in all these multi-faceted aspects. It's never as straightforward as we'd like it to be. Sushant was both the person who loved Ankita, then abandoned her so abruptly and he was also the person who may have tried to put on a persona but seemed extremely lonely inside his head. He seemed like a person who wanted love but didn't quite seem to know how to hold on to it. The fact that even the pain he may have given Anika doesn't overpower the love they once shared speaks for something regarding humanity, empathy, and the highs and lows of human nature.

One gets the sense that different people knew different sides of Sushant. Karan Mehra's post states that he thought Sushant took life too seriously.....while Arjun Bijlani's message said he thought Sushant never took life that seriously so he was shocked to know that he was struggling with so much.

This also makes you think that it is just harder to know in the case of actors what they are really feeling and thinking. They become so trained to put on personas that I guess they are able to successfully do it in real life in their interactions with friends and family too.

Sushant had a naivete about him in many ways that he tried to cover up with bluster or put on personas later on but I guess at his core he was just a lonely soul who was looking to find meaning in his life.