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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: apolloartemis


So true about roomates/housemates. My old college roomate and I were so close we could guess each other thoughts, which freaked us both out.😆
I'm not much of a tea drinker, but if you recommend these, then I'll try them out. Any other advise for a vegetarian?


Any advise for vegetarian ? 😊...Well a lot...but have to know your habits, moods and food tastes. Then I can advise. But yes, the type of food you take greatly reflects your state of mind and how you feel.
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At this point I am having trouble trying to analyse what I am seeing in the epis not because I feel they are just filler or are just so much standard drama - I literally am having difficulty to make sense of the whole of it - like when you cannot perceive an artwork until you back away many paces and see it from a distance. Or perhaps it might be better compared to the scientific theory which, though evidently true, cannot be proven for fifty years until someone makes an auspicious mistake in the laboratory. Then everyone's eyes light up and they say, "Yes! If only we'd had this bit of proof earlier the whole phenomenon would have made perfect sense! " That is what I feel I am missing in understanding the storyline - that one basic piece of evidence that will render the behaviour of the characters understandable. Without it, I always feel slightly trapped in the theatre of the absurd.


Bhakti,

@feeling trapped in the theatre of absurd and your reference to "Artwork"

I would like you to check out on Google Images these:

Surrealistic Paintings
Expressionistic Paintings
Impressionistic Paintings.

All three concepts are great theories by themselves used in Literature, Painting, Sculpting and also in Political Movements.

Read on about Surrealism, Expressionism and Impressionism.

The chronology of the development of thought process is Impressionism followed by Expressionism followed by surrealism. And If I can simplistically put this across for me, it is like this...

Impression --> How I am Perceived or How an Object is perceived. So what becomes important is the reflection coming back to us, or reflection given back to us. And How do you achieve that ? As in what's the raw material ...The eyes, the light that will see the reflection, will cause the reflection.

Expression --> How I Feel or How the Object wants to Expresses Itself, feels. So what happens here...I don't care what I am reflecting or what you perceive. This is about me...This is how I want you to see me as ...My Expresssion...The Object screaming or appealing to you see from its point of view. What's the raw material here ...The Emotions that will cause that expression and that will have its acceptence or rejection of.

Surrealism ---> Beyond Realism. To view or perceive or feel about the object or the idea beyond its obvious reality. Very didactic or abstract it. Difficult for many to understand the vision or fixation as it something totally unreal and yet...the abstraction of it, the magnitude it attains somehow makes you feel pulled into it, feel like losing yourself to the floating independent experience. Totally stimulating the mind...but extremely upsetting for reality around us.

Well, there are lot of other theories that paintings and literature have...but I stopped reading after the Stream of Consciousness thoughts during the Bloomsbury Group days. ...I was like enough for now...more later.

See if this helps you in understanding the ABSURDITY of ARTWORK.

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I wanted to bring this here for a little-bit of your stimulation of your mind.


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Posted: 12 years ago

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Originally posted by bhakti2

At this point I am having trouble trying to analyse what I am seeing in the epis not because I feel they are just filler or are just so much standard drama - I literally am having difficulty to make sense of the whole of it - like when you cannot perceive an artwork until you back away many paces and see it from a distance. Or perhaps it might be better compared to the scientific theory which, though evidently true, cannot be proven for fifty years until someone makes an auspicious mistake in the laboratory. Then everyone's eyes light up and they say, "Yes! If only we'd had this bit of proof earlier the whole phenomenon would have made perfect sense! " That is what I feel I am missing in understanding the storyline - that one basic piece of evidence that will render the behaviour of the characters understandable. Without it, I always feel slightly trapped in the theatre of the absurd.


Bhakti,

@feeling trapped in the theatre of absurd and your reference to "Artwork"

I would like you to check out on Google Images these:

Surrealistic Paintings
Expressionistic Paintings
Impressionistic Paintings.


Shri, 😊
My favorites:

Georges Seurat, Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte, 1884-1886

Henri De Toulouse-Lautrec,
La Toilette 1889.
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Posted: 12 years ago

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Shri, 😊
My favorites:

Georges Seurat, Sunday Afternoon on the Island of La Grande Jatte, 1884-1886

[SD] : I so guessed it right that it is an impressionistic painting.


Henri De Toulouse-Lautrec,
La Toilette 1889.

[SD] : I was like why the coloring and painting looks impressionistic and yet the subject matter is expressionistic. Lo !!! 😛 it is post-impressionistic painting.


Zorica,

I do not know of both the painters, nor I saw these paintings before...or may be I never registered over my mind. But it was lovely exercise to ask myself which paintings they could be and after guessing I googled on the painters.

Also I recognized that you have used Henri De Toulouse's La Toilette criss-cross lines technique in this poster of Madhu over the Jan 26th 2013 episode...Balraj drama.



Which painting I like best ? I kinda get bored after a while if the image is static. And in that sense I have not had the fortune to see many paintings and interact with them as in look at them.

So the one that I easily remember and always stays on my mind and never bored is "The Scream" by Edvard Munch. I just like the experience...its like its me sometimes...I would like to go that path with whorls or whorls of experience.

And then I like the Indian Madhubani paintings, and all religious paintings as I seem to speak with the images, the imagery keeps speaking to me. I also like Raja Ravi Varma paintings which have greatly influenced many to copy his style.

All those that I mentioned, you can google. But this one I want to show you from my own collection. Remember that lone trip I made to Tanjavur to visit Brihadeeswara Temple...I took the pic of the mural painting over there. Check it. I just don't get it how over the centuries those colors do not fade away through weathering. They said vegetable dyes were used.



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Posted: 12 years ago
Wah - it was beautiful to come here and see these incredible works of art. Zorica - I love the paintings - especially La Toilette because the subject is facing away from the viewer, lost in her own reverie. It is interesting to me how, even in past centuries, visual artists were maintaining that "fourth wall" as cinematographers do today.

Shri - you gave me quite a task! So delightful - thank you so much!! I have spent many happy hours now in the company of "Sister Wendy", a wonderful teaching nun from England who has taken it as her ministry in life to teach people about art, particularly painting. I found her videos on the web and have learned quite a bit - western art is so very different from eastern! Zorica - you must please enlighten all of us about this - you live in Europe and have been so well travelled - did you visit art museums as well?

I looked also at pictures of art from everywhere - Australian aboriginal art, African carvings, Russian miniatures, hundreds of images of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, Madonna-and-Child paintings; ancient Egyptian tomb paintings, Greek and Roman sculpture - my head is swimming. But I did discover two things! 1.) I dislike modern (late 20th/21st century )western art. Why is this? Is it because I do not understand it? Every piece of it I look at I feel I want to look away. Why is that? 2.) People everywhere must have a tremendous need to record and interpret and tell stories about everything they see. It seems no place on this earth is without its art - and all SO beautiful and evocative. (except that modern kind. What is wrong with me?)

I did not study Indian art last night because I see it regularly and love it so much, all types. I thought, no familarity, Bhakti - stretch yourself!

So now I can see that one of Zorica's favourites is from the pointilliste school (not sure about the spelling?😕)- little dots which make up a big image. (Impressionist hai na? Not sure...) I could not imagine how Seurat managed the painting - how would one stand up close to the canvas and still be able to render the picture as if in pixels from a great distance? The artistic mind is an amazing thing - in the same way I wondered how the impressionists, Renoir for example, or Monet, could look over water and see so many colours in it at once, so that when they painted it it looks as though water really looks when dappled with sunlight or stippled with drops of falling rain. I tried it myself, going to look jut in the basin outside...I looked from all angles but could not make my eyes see it as they saw it. That is a wonderful moment, isn't it, when you understand someone's genius, something you could never fully comprehend or reproduce but only admire and appreciate? That is how I always feel when looking at art - ki, how can someone's mind see the world, slice it aesthetically into blocks, forms, and colours, and reproduce it in such an emotional way? HAIII...so much to think about I will never sleep for three nights now!

Expressionist art seems in keeping with its frightening historical moment. The world was such an unpleasant place during the time of its making. I read that Hitler actually outlawed it and put many of the paintings away in locked places - especially paintings by Jewish artists that he thought would corrupt the minds of his people. Such an evil,evil man. It shows, though, how political art can get - I would like to read more about that. It was amazing to me that, in 19th century France, there were art "salons" where artists showed their work and some of them got closed down by law authorities because they thought the art work was so subversive!! Imagine! Imagine people caring so much they would scream and yell and argue over paintings - so much engagement on the part of the public. It makes us seem very apathetic by comparison in our life today. (Although I guess we do our fair share of arguing over MB😆)

So now look what has happened to me - in my room is hanging on the wall on one side a Moghul type painting (I mean a print on paper that is a copy of a painting!) of Krishna, surrounded by all the gopis, with Radha off to one side seated, refusing to come and play. On the other wall is a print of Vishnu with all his avatars. So now I am looking, thinking - see how all the figures in the Krishna painting are shown in profile! See how there is no three-point perspective! See how the symbols are hidden here and there, in the trees, in the hands, etc. See how Vishnu's avatars are done in the style of realism! Hai Ram now my brain will be ticking away and everyone will be shouting on me ki "Bhakti, where are you lost?!"😆

Which now they really will be because I have to make about a thousand aloo ke parathe in the next hour and I will smell like ghee all day! From the sublime to the ridiculous, I have heard said - it is certainly so with me! Wish me luck, ladies, that I don't burn anything and get into trouble...😛

p.s. A funny thing - there actually IS a "theatre of the absurd" movement - I had learned about it through reading a translation of a French language play called "Rhinoceros" (very good but very very scary) This theatre movement reminds me quite a lot of MEIEJ. If you know of it or read about it sometimes, please do let me know if you agree😊.

Bye for now and thank you Shri for opening such a wide and airy window on the world (again) for me! Thank you Zorica for showing the beautiful paintings - you must have a perfect eye for art as you create such lovely images with your photo collages.


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Posted: 12 years ago
Shri,

About Raja Ravi Varma
to quote Wikipedia:
"His paintings are considered to be among the best examples of the fusion of Indian traditions with the techniques of European academic art."
This we can see from his pictures.

I chose this picture, which is more traditional. I like the composition, which is dominated by rhythm and repetition. The coloring is amazing. The only thing I am afraid of snakes, but I guess it has a positive connotation?



As for mural painting, it's amazing how these drawings have survived so many years! The best example of this is the cave paintings.
This drawing is so well preserved:


Bison in Altamira, Spain. Painted about 15,000 years ago
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Posted: 12 years ago

Originally posted by: bhakti2

Wah - it was beautiful to come here and see these incredible works of art. Zorica - I love the paintings - especially La Toilette because the subject is facing away from the viewer, lost in her own reverie. It is interesting to me how, even in past centuries, visual artists were maintaining that "fourth wall" as cinematographers do today.

So now I can see that one of Zorica's favourites is from the pointilliste school (not sure about the spelling?😕)- little dots which make up a big image. (Impressionist hai na? Not sure...) I could not imagine how Seurat managed the painting - how would one stand up close to the canvas and still be able to render the picture as if in pixels from a great distance? The artistic mind is an amazing thing - in the same way I wondered how the impressionists, Renoir for example, or Monet, could look over water and see so many colours in it at once, so that when they painted it it looks as though water really looks when dappled with sunlight or stippled with drops of falling rain. I tried it myself, going to look jut in the basin outside...I looked from all angles but could not make my eyes see it as they saw it. That is a wonderful moment, isn't it, when you understand someone's genius, something you could never fully comprehend or reproduce but only admire and appreciate? That is how I always feel when looking at art - ki, how can someone's mind see the world, slice it aesthetically into blocks, forms, and colours, and reproduce it in such an emotional way? HAIII...so much to think about I will never sleep for three nights now!

Bye for now and thank you Shri for opening such a wide and airy window on the world (again) for me! Thank you Zorica for showing the beautiful paintings - you must have a perfect eye for art as you create such lovely images with your photo collages.


Bhakti,
You learn incredibly fast and easy! 👏
Like how you experienced these pictures!


Visual Arts is a large field:

- definition (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_arts)

You ask me about the museum? I will mention three museums.

  • Louvre Museum or simply The Louvre'is one of the world's largest museums, and a historic monument
  • The Museum of Egyptian Antiquities, known commonly as the Egyptian Museum or Museum of Cairo
  • The Vatican Museums - inside the Vatican City

The Louvre

Beautiful and largest museum in which I was! I've been in it twice, five hours a day, and I managed to see only a part of what he has to offer! I'd love to go there many times! Real pleasure for the senses. I saw the Mona Lisa, everyone's talking about (for me, it has not left a special impression, there are many more beautiful pictures).

Watch and enjoy!
http://www.louvre.fr/en

Museum of Cairo

Museum in which you travel through time. So many historical treasures in one place.
Many conquerors have stolen Egyptian cultural heritage, but it left a lot to be seen!
(In the middle of Paris Egyptian obelisk, in London has an incredible number of exhibits of Egyptian art, in the Vatican Museum has a special section with Egyptian art, etc.. How did they get this treasure?)
I was particularly pleased that the Tutankhamun mask was exposed at the time when I visited the museum. No words can not describe the feeling when I saw this beauty. Something perfect. Also jewelry that belonged to Tutankhamun, sophisticated!!!


Vatican Museum

Vatican Museum, was a disappointment for me. I was so glad that I will see the Sistine Chapel, and then when I got into it, I did not feel a thing! Sistine Chapel ceiling was painted by Michelangelo, and I especially want to find a part of the "Creation of Adam", and I hardly find it on the ceiling. In this room is a huge number of tourists, flashing camera flash, even though it is forbidden, you do not feel like you're in the chapel, and I did not want to linger long. In comparison with the Louvre, in the Louvre has a lot of similar rooms, and the experience of art is much nicer there. Sit, watching, enjoy! The only difference is that at the Louvre no ceiling painted by Michelangelo.

The Creation of Adam

You have homework to investigate and experiencing art! Enjoy it! 😊

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actually I had only one thing going on in my mind since I read Bhakti's response last night.
I was like...😕 This girl is just INCREDIBLE !!! and I had this GNAWING NEED to KNOW HER IQ SCORE!!!

Okay girls, Anyone,
please suggest me a good IQ test. Have to make Bhakti take it. I need to know her IQ score. Bass!!!!! I need that done!!!!!


okay that done...

Bhakti,
Bete Lage raho. Lage raho. You need to watch Big Bang Theory. Kahin Sheldon ki Behan to nahin ???

(in English for Zorica)...Son!!! Good going. Keep working on it. You need to watch Big Bang Theory. Are you by any chance Sheldon's sister ???


Zorica,
In that "Murugan" Painting by RRV, the snake is there because peacocks eat snakes in India...a lot. So natural to show in that visual manner and that too in such olden days. Even when we constructed our house in our native place in 87, it was a farmland of clayey soil good for cotton or paddy, but had turned into a wilderness of Babool trees (acacia trees) where only snakes, scorpions, lizards, chameleons and black and red ants were ruling the roost. We had to be careful at night. In India when I was young, it was okay for children and people to die of snakebites. When I was 3 or 4, I guess in one of the holidays that I was spending at granny's place, in that summer, in the neighbourhood a kid had died of snakebite. Can you imagine that ? losing life to animal bites...living close to us. ...its something unimaginable to think of in this 2000 decades in metro-life. Where my in-laws live, sometimes they have accidents as cars hit deer when they roam on road or are crossing the road in dark. And in india, as we drive from our native place to Hyderabad, over the road, we see snakes crushed...now only during rainy seasons when anthills get clogged with water.

I guess people learn to cohabit with wilderness and its habitats such as snakes and scorpions and especially if farmlands are around. I once closely missed stepping on a cobra head. Phew!!!

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Read this...My tamil friends here, may be you shall feel proud about it.

'Vazhakku Enn 18/9' wins award at Paris fest

Monday, January 21, 2013 | 11:02:02 AM IST (+05:30 GMT) 1 Comments
'Vazhakku Enn 18/9' wins award at Paris fest

Tamil teen crime-thriller "Vazhakku En 18/9" won the best film award at the first South Asian Film Festival (SAFF) held in Paris recently.






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Zorica didi - Now you have got me so interested in the Sistine Chapel which even I have not learned much about it (and you did not enjoy!), but what an image you have posted from it! That tiny little touch from God imparting the life to man. (I think, isn't it?) And the man in such a langorous (I think that is the right word?) position - like almost having just woken up from sleep. Not at all seeming nervous to be just brought into existence!😆 So I had a question about that - why is the man and all the tiny children naked but the god is wearing clothing? What were the rules about showing nakedness in art for those people at that time? Perhaps people are not allowed to show god naked there? Sometimes we have that rule - sometimes not. Ancient sculptures of Shiv and other of our gods are quite often naked. Kali is also naked because she is the wild and primal force of nature. I am not asking these questions to be shameless but I was just wondering about it. And, also, where is the woman?

I was very surprised to hear that tourists wander all over and crowd in and take flashing pictures and such. But then it must be reflectively funny - a crowd on the ceiling and a crowd on the floor!

The mask of King Tutenkhamen is breath-taking. It is so decorative, and yet it looks like many boys I have seen growing up. It is humbling to think that all of these things were made from the raw materials, by hand. When I look at such an image I think ki, from where did they get the gold? From where the lapis? And how did they form it so perfectly? Who has learned this and who has taught it further? Are we still unknowingly using this knowledge, still using the learning from people from thousands of years ago, never realising it has been passed on to us as if invisibly, through person after person? Here in Dilli you can still see jewelers melting metals and carefully fashioning ornaments by hand, one piece at a time. When I look at that divine golden mask I wonder who it was that worked it so perfectly?

I looked up the rest of the artifacts from Tutenkhamen's tomb and was endlessly fascinated by all the worldly things the Egyptians were thinking they must have in their next life! Board games, fruits, beautiful little chairs and tables, medicines, even breads! I thought ki oh it is easier to be an Indian yaar you just die and leave everything and then take a new body. If you are going to have a next life, travel lightly!!😆😆

It is too bad so many things have been looted from the Egyptian people so that they themselves must go abroad to see their own history in the museums of others. But I suppose this is the way of colonialism - we have our own troubles here with this tangled sort of history. Still, it would be very kind if some other countries would give back to Egypt those many looted things hai na?

Well...I am going back now to my other regular life! (Online - art student; off-line - always slightly behind-in-the-work bahu!😆) But next I would like very much to look up those cave paintings...they are absolutely beautiful hai na? If you would like to see some enchanting Indian type caves, please do check out sometime the "Ajanta Caves" online!




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