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I liked the premise of the book and the idea was quiet intriguing,but the ending kind of fell flat for me....May be because it was too realistic.I wanted some hope ..at least for MAureen
DISCUSSION ON POLITICAL CORRECTNESS
If you spend day and night looking after a sick child, there's very little room for sin, and I hadn't done anything worth confessing for donkey's years. And I went from that, to sinning so terribly that I couldn't even talk to the priest, because I was going to go on sinning and sinning until the day I died, when I would commit the biggest sin of all. (And why is it the biggest sin of all? All your life you're told that you'll be going to this marvellous place when you pass on. And the one thing you can do to get you there a bit quicker is something that stops you getting there at all. Oh, I can see that it's a kind of queue-jumping. But if someone jumps the queue at the Post Office, people tut. Or sometimes they say, 'Excuse me, I was here first.' They don't say, 'You will be consumed by hellfire for all eternity.' That would be a bit strong.)
Not once did I read a newspaper report which convinced me that the deceased was off the old trolley. You know: 'The Manchester United forward, who was engaged to the current Miss Sweden, had recently achieved a unique Double: he is the only man ever to have won the FA Cup and an Oscar for Best Actor in the same year. The rights to his first novel had just been bought for an undisclosed sum by Steven Spielberg. He was found hanging from a beam in his stables by a member of his staff.' Now, I've never seen a coroner's report like that, but if there were cases in which happy, successful, talented people took their own lives, one could safely come to the conclusion that the old balance was indeed wonky...
Ok I just finished the book and all the time I was remembering two people who were trying to take their life under 2 dif circumstances.
One was my cousin who was very much older to me. I was 6 when he died and was almost 10 yrs older. He was suffering from some kind of malignant tumor on his right neck and even the strongest painkiller couldn't numb his pain. He was operated twice but the tumor was back. He could no longer bear the pain in his stiff neck, and tried to kill himself twice but was saved. He died three months later, his parents were out of money and couldn't even afford for their other 2 children's education.
Other one was my friend who used to live a block away from my house who was very nave and docile. She was in love with a guy who belonged to her religion/caste/sector whatever but the guy wasn't as rich as my friend so her mom rejected him. The harder she tried to convince her mom the sturdier she became and threatened her that the whole family would commit suicide if she set chose that guy. In that intense moment she attempted but thankfully her brother saved her. Later she got married to the guy her mom chose her and got divorced too coz her mom found out that their family was suffering from some kind of hereditary disease. She has a kid, her bf was killed in an accident (??) the day she got married and she also has shunned all her friends. Now she says she is alive to take care of her 2 yr old son.
I just wanted to share it coz I couldn't take it off my mind 😔.
They speak about attempting for suicide so openly in public and media, but yet there are no legal actions taken. I thought there was some kind of rehabs for them. Do you have to hurt yourself physically to go to rehab?
... If Matty had been able to understand anything, he'd have decided that this Bridgid woman was a lunatic, worrying like that about a little get-together. I blushed every time I saw her at the church. And of course I wanted to know what she actually was doing on New Year's Eve, but I never asked. If she was planning to have a party, she might've felt that she had to invite me.
Originally posted by: RainbowWarrior
hmmm.. I guess then you won't believe that people are intimidated by me as well and no one messes around with me, AND I've never even slapped anyone or used a loud swear word.
Well, there was this one time when the giant heavy-weight boxing champ in college pointed a big finger in my face and said "I'd slap you like a dog if you weren't a girl". I'm not sure exactly what he mean't but his command on the English language was not very good. I laughed and said "Is that your secret hobby or something? Slapping dogs?". After that his face went as red as his tee and he was so angry that he couldn't speak (not to mention foaming at the mouth), he glared at me and walked away. I actually called after him too "Scared you huh?" but he never turned around. I never back down.
You see Mohit, some girls have an aura of authority, regardless of how girly we may seem, no one messes with us 😃 Just because we are nice most of the time, doesn't mean we can't be anything else. You have been warned, lol 😆
Originally posted by: RainbowWarrior
I doubt I'll back down even then 😛 but it all depends on who I'm with. I'm not afraid of what happens to me but a loved one in my company would give the perpetrator leverage.
Oh I'm very similar in real life too, I don't roar unless required and I'm more quiet online 'cos the annoying folks are not actually annoying. I can simply switch them off at anytime. Ignoring real life physically present irritating people is whole different thing. I just bite back. On the web, it's not needed and as a web designer, I would know 😛 😃
Originally posted by: pinkisluv91
Nice questions Aladin:))
1. Some people do exaggerate the truth or they do so with their tone, I never exaggerate it, or I should say I never try to:))
2. Yes we definitely start seeing fault in others to justify our actions, it's just human😆. We shouldn't though.
1. Do we exaggerate the truth sometimes when we are angry?
I don't talk much when I am angry, I will walk out of that place or I am all quiet. I can only speak when I cool down.
I have to exaggerate the truth when I have to talk to clients 😉.
For example:
We had an assignment and in that 2 concentric circles were given and the prof asked us exaggerate it. One guy came up with a right answer..... top view of a woman wearing a bit hat 😃 .2. Do we start seeing fault in others (that may or may not exist) to justify some of our own actions?
I do it sometimes... After all I am human! 😛
Originally posted by: -Aladin-
I don't think it is possible for people to be alone. Man is a social animal after all. I think a companion is important to have in life, be it parents, siblings, friends, mentor, or a significant other. 😃😃 Though, sometimes we do want to be left alone to our own devices, but khaali dimaagh is shaitaan ka ghar, or so they say.In blue: Couldn't agree more. 😃😃
DISCUSSION ABOUT COSMIC TONY
'If you could make a deal with God, kind of thing. He's sitting there, the Big Guy, across the table from you. And he's saying, OK, Maureen, we like you, but we really want you to stay put, on Earth. What can we do to persuade you? What can we offer you?'
'God's asking me personally?'
'Yeah.'
'If He was asking me personally, He wouldn't have to offer me anything.'
'Really?'
'If God in His infinite wisdom wanted me to stay on Earth, then how could I ask for anything?'
JJ laughed. 'OK, then. Not God.'
'Who, then?'
'A sort of... I don't know. A sort of cosmic, you know, President. Or Prime Minister. Tony Blair. Someone who can get things done. You don't have to do what Tony Blair says without asking for something in return.
In the book they made up a guy called cosmic Tony who has the ability to grant our wishes. Let's assume that this Cosmic Tony guy is for real and he willing to grant 3 wishes for all the members of this reading group but there is a hitch... He would grant these wishes if only there is personal gain, so wishing for something similar to world peace would be nullified 😛
What would you wish for?
Originally posted by: immunoblot
Wunderbar! 👍🏼
Wish one: A personal paradisiacal island.
Wish two: An infinite supply of everything good.
Wish three: An infinite supply of such wishes!
Originally posted by: -Aladin-
Ah, now that's a wonderful question, Nitz ji. 😃😃1. Unlimited travel pass for me and my family2. Beautiful house with a perfect garden3. A huge library full of books that "I" like 😳😳😃😃
Wonderful question Nitzy👍🏼
1> I would like to see the world(universe)..every aspect of it oceans ,rivers ,jungles the himalayas,space(and have Mr Veritas along too).. and experience it from the perspective of every living thing.
2>Know every good thing that ever happened and be able to read every good book ever written.
3>I will steal Blot ji's wish..have and endless supply of such wishes.
Martin:
In the last few months, I have been to prison, lost every last molecule of self-respect, become estranged from my children and thought very seriously about killing myself. I mean, that little lot has got to be the psychological equivalent of cancer, right? And it's certainly a bigger deal than acting in a bloody film. So how come I've learned absolutely bugger all? What was I supposed to learn? True, I have discovered that I was quite attached to my self-esteem, and regret its passing. Also, I've found out that prison and poverty aren't really me. But, you know, I could have had a wild stab in the dark about both of those things beforehand. Call me literal- minded, but I suspect people might learn more about themselves if they didn't get cancer. They'd have more time, and a lot more energy.
We all do mistakes, sometimes small and sometimes unforgettable. There are some instances where, if we think back, we feel that we could have avoided them, or made the right decision, and in turn we would have had a better life. Any such regrets?
Maureen:
'What about you?' I said to JJ. 'What would you say to Cosmic Tony?'
'Ha. I'm not sure, man.' He calls everyone 'man', even if you're not a man. You get used to it. 'Maybe, I don't know. Live the last fifteen years all over again or something. Finish high school. Forget about music. Become the kind of person who's happy to settle for what he is, rather than what he wants to be, you know?'
Cosmic Tony again! 😃
If cosmic Tony gives you one chance to travel back in time and alter your life, what would you do? Go back and change it or happy the way you are now? If you choose to change what would it be? (Reminds me of 'The Butterfly Effect' Movie)
Originally posted by: -Aladin-
Nice quotes, Nitz ji and brilliant questions. 😃😃There is no doubt that we all make mistakes in our lives. Sometimes, these mistakes can have graver circumstances, at others, they are forgettable. I have no regrets though, because I beieve we need to learn from our mistakes. Nobody can change the past. Jo ho gaya, so ho gaya. Kya us ka gham jo kho gaya. We should make the best of what life throws at us.What would I alter? I wouldn't alter anything, actually. If I change something, then that could lead to other circumstances, which may also be not acceptable to me, so I would live with whatever has happened in the past and leave it there. 😃😃
This leads me to another question. Should we judge others on their past or give them another chance? Do you believe in second chances.
"They come. They fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same." - Lost TV show.
Aladin ji I completely agree with ur first answer.
My grand dad died when I was three and I've some vague memories about him. I don't know whether I made him up in mind when my was telling about him or it is really my memories. Though i don't want to alter anything in my life I just want to relive those memories again.
Second chance..... Everyone deserve a second chance; thats what we say, but at the cost some people like chelsea king and amber dubious. So I feel it depends on circumstance and whom we are giving that second chance.
DISCUSSION ON STALKING/ STEREOTYPES
Originally posted by: immunoblot
Jess is planning to commit suicide, and here is how she describes the build-up of that emotion:
I was at a party downstairs in the squat. It was a shit party, full of all these ancient crusties sitting on the floor drinking cider and smoking huge spliffs and listening to weirdo space-out reggae. At midnight, one of them clapped sarcastically, and a couple of others laughed, and that was it - Happy New Year to you too. You could have turned up to that party as the happiest person in London, and you'd still have wanted up to jump off the roof by five past twelve. And I wasn't the happiest person in London anyway. Obviously.The reason she was at that party is because she is looking for her ex-boyfriend who was supposed to be there (but obviously isn't). So, as she proceeds to go on, she follows this passage with her view on "stalking"...
I tried his mobile for the one zillionth time, but it wasn't on. When we first split up, he called me a stalker, but that's like an emotive word, 'stalker', isn't it? I don't think you can call it stalking when it's just phone calls and letters and emails and knocking on the door. And I only turned up at his work twice. Three times, if you count his Christmas party, which I don't, because he said he was going to take me to that anyway.
Stalking is when you follow them to the shops and on holiday and all that, isn't it? Well, I never went near any shops. And anyway, I didn't think it was stalking when someone owed you an explanation. Being owed an explanation is like being owed money, and not just a fiver, either. Five or six hundred quid minimum, more like. If you were owed five or six hundred quid minimum and the person who owed it to you was avoiding you, then you're bound to knock on his door late at night, when you know he's going to be in. People get serious about that sort of money. They call in debt collectors, and break people's legs, but I never went that far. I showed some restraint.
Stalking is also a popular theme in other media... my favourite instance of stalking is in a British show called "coupling"--- (Warning! A WORD and SOME SOUNDS might TROUBLE the folks with delicate ears?!)
[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-erm4XzgCNI[/YOUTUBE]
What is the deal about stalking?It is one of those words that is widely abused in common language... and perhaps it means less and less in society, that what it means in the court of law...
I presume that none of us ever stalked anyone (with dangerous intent), but it might be nice if we share instances of stalking or being stalked which are/were funny...
Originally posted by: -Aladin-
Actually, I have stalked someone with dangerous intent, if you want to call it that. I didn't realize at that time people would term it stalking. I have tracked down people, i.e. looked for them in a number of places before finding them, only to give them a few choice lectures, which they probably did not appreciate. 😳😆😆😆😆One incident that I do find quite hilarious, is when back in high school, someone wanted to threaten me and couldn't find me, they actually send someone over who was in the same section to come and track me down. Gosh. I was such a child. I met them and told them if they try to talk to me again, I won't be coming to meet them but will go straight to the principal's office. 😳😳😆😆😆
Originally posted by: immunoblot
Books always have sentiments attached to them... Your actions were legit, I'd say...
Originally posted by: immunoblot
The question was actually genuine... Spying, Stalking... we use these words, but often in a rather exaggerated context.
My father had a very massive heart attack. Before it struck him, he used to smoke so much that real chimneys (of houses where firewood would be burned) would be put to shame...
Of course, after the attack... he was prohibited from smoking... and while we all hoped that he'd quit finally, we all knew that that wouldn't happen. My brother and I were therefore sharing the responsibility of following him secretly when he went out for his walks, and even though my father had a rather sophisticated method of sneak-purchasing the ciagarettes, we still caught him... and then proceeded to set a trap to catch him red-handed.
Of course, once cornered, he accused us of stalking and syping (which perhaps we were guilty of)... but even then, I felt the use of the words: stalking/spying was unjustified. (Here, amongst us... it is alright. Unless there is an argument, and people start saying that, "you stalk me", and such stuff...)
nice comparison 😆😆
It's is not bad when we are doing it but is very bad when someone is spying or stalking us 😛😆
My own feeling about JJ, without knowing anything about him, was that he might have been a gay person, because he had long hair and spoke American. A lot of Americans are gay people, aren't they? I know they didn't invent gayness, because they say that was the Greeks. But they helped bring it back into fashion. Being gay was a bit like the Olympics: it disappeared in ancient times, and then they brought it back in the twentieth century. Anyway, I didn't know anything about gays, so I just presumed they were all unhappy and wanted to kill themselves.
Share some stereotypes that you had about other cultures, race and places.
I used to think all scientists in US are millionaires until I met a couple of them from Hogwarts who worked for minimum wages. They said that asking for a raise is selfish and offensive in their work culture.
Originally posted by: pinkisluv91
I read my life is desi and that's my desi life too😆, they're good for laughs. But only 15% or less is true according to me.
Originally posted by: pinkisluv91
I believe the white folks one😆, desi folks tend to be wannabes at times, but even if they aren't people think they are wannabes 😆, show offs-yea they are😕 I don't believe in many stereotypes but do believe in some.
Originally posted by: immunoblot
I would also tend to agree with the stereotypes that Aladin ji just described... It is funny that we began with a discussion of PC-ness and now we are listing stereotypes...
The mathematicians-one, I'll change to "scientists have no life"... Sometimes, I believe that that is even literally true. 😆😆😆
I used to think anyone with good education would be wise,I mean free of prejudice or atleast stupidity.
Sadly I have seen engineers,doctors ,people with doctorates.. whose education did nothing to elevate their mind.
I also used to think people in the States would be more politically aware, but they fall for rhetoric and misinformation just as easily.
I disagree Blot ji,I think they have a lot of things right,and they are more open then say some old cultures /countries of the world.
There is no culture because their history doesn't go a long way back.
Originally posted by: immunoblot
Come to Europe, Pinki! There is a dstinct cultural identity of every city here! Though, they aren't as evolved as the Americans in celebrating diversity...
@Germans: I think, they sound sexy... I love their language so much... ⭐️
That is because you are in Alabama.The cities are better..imagine if you were in some village in UP or Bihar.
The prejudice is worse there.
Originally posted by: -Aladin-
Hmm, actually, don't know about the crime rates in Europe, but even in the US, it is only certain areas. We also need to consider the population though. I expect they are quite similar.
If you like to be with Indian crowd then New Jersey is the place (I wouldn't recommend though).
If u want Mumbai ambiance, New York.... my friends had nicknamed it as 'Mumbai with snow'
If you like pleasant climate with nice landscape and no snow... apart from few light tremors and rain, California
I have never been to Texas but my friends who live there love the place coz of the hot climate, culture and food.
Chicago has one of the best transport system in US and has diverse culture.
I like Boston coz it is one of the old cities..
I feel Atlanta is boring and workaholic
These are the places I have visited in US 😊
Originally posted by: -Aladin-
'I'm asking, aren't I? Because if we're a gang, then we'll all try and liveby the rules. And there's only one, anyway. Rule 1: We don't kill ourselves for six weeks. And if we're not a gang, then, you know. Whatever. So are we a gang, or not a gang?''Not a gang,' said Martin.'Why aren't we?''No offence, but' Martin clearly hoped these three words, and a wave of the hand in our general direction, would save him from having to explain himself. I wasn't going to let him off the hook, though.I hadn't felt like I was in this gang either, until that moment. And now I belonged to the gang that Martin didn't like much, and I felt real committed to it.'But what?' I said.'Well. You're not, you know. My Kind Of People.' He said it like that, I swear. I heard the capitals as clearly as I heard the lower case.How important is it to have 'friends', who are 'our kind of people'. Could you be friends with someone who perhaps does not share the same sentiments as you. Would that difference cause you to drift from each other? Do instances in our life sometimes bring us closer to certain type of people. What are your thoughts. 😃😃
I think there must be something connecting people..for them to be friends,It may be an interest,belief system ..a tragedy , a problem...anything.
You have to agree on something strongly to be able to weather disagreements.
And the answer to the previous questions..I wouldn't change anything in my life.My mistakes made be what I am .
Well maybe I will change the cautious part of my nature
I thought we should talk something about the book to keep Blot happy😆
Originally posted by: immunoblot
This is what Maureen says about doing up the room for her son, Matty. Matty is severely spastic.
This all began years ago, when I decided to decorate his bedroom.
He was eight, and he still slept in a nursery - clowns on the curtains, bunny rabbits on the frieze round the wall, all the things I'd chosen when I was waiting for him and I didn't know what he was. And it was all peeling away, and it looked terrible, and I hadn't done anything about it because it made me think too much about what wasn't happening to him, all the ways he wasn't growing up. What was I going to replace the bunny rabbits with?
He was eight, so perhaps trains and rocket ships and maybe even footballers were the right sort of thing for him - but of course he didn't know what any of those things were, what they meant, what they did. But there again, he didn't know what the rabbits were either, or the clowns. So what was I supposed to do? Everything was pretending, wasn't it? The only thing I could do that wasn't make-believe was paint the walls white, get a plain pair of curtains. That would be a way of telling him and me and anyone else who came in that I knew he was a vegetable, a cabbage, and I wasn't trying to hide it. But then, where does it stop? Does that mean you can never buy him a T-shirt with a word on it, or a picture, because he'll never read, and he can't make any sense of pictures? And who knows whether he even gets anything out of colours, or patterns? And it goes without saying that talking to him is ridiculous, and smiling at him, and kissing him on the head. Everything I do is pretending, so why not pretend properly?
I think, in this passage, Maureen shows more spark than me. I know, for instance that I will not live here long enough... and this has been my constant thought for all the 5 years that I have been here. I never got plants for my balcony, or tried to make my place any more comfortable than it already was...
In short, I've lived like a nomad, even though in hindsight, I think I could've established a comfortable home for myself all those years ago when I came here...
The crux is... we're only pretending all the time... to be leading stable, happy lives... and yet I know that we all never really do that properly. Is it just me, or is it all of you??
Come on then, tell us things that you could've done better...
Originally posted by: pinkisluv91
Okay well I never lived a stable life, ever. I always wanted one but never had one. We moved from place to place and my parents never really decorated our house as we would if we were to live there permanently, I always wanted a room with pink walls but we never did that since we lived in apartments and couldn't do that. We always knew we would move so never really settled down. Our house now is a bit settled but still we are thinking abt moving in another two years. I have changed too many schools too so never had one friend my whole life. It's strange. 😕
Originally posted by: pinkisluv91
Even if we have our own home now we don't get too many things since we are moving out in 2 years and my parents never take our old stuff with we just buy new things when we move. We made the mistake to buy pets many times and it was heartbreaking to leave them. Don't ever get a pet. It's sad when you have to depart I agree abt the books too.
Originally posted by: immunoblot
Yeah... you always get attached to them...
But cats are nice... they are independent animals... when you leave, and leave them behind, they'll manage just fine... 😃
Originally posted by: immunoblot
Smita ji, don't... but if you have strays in your vicinity, do feed them. You'll be happy...
There are only very few people who can give/care... and if you are one of those people, don't supress that quality... I said this to my mum also (because she was also very heart-broken when our dog died; and taking food for the stray dogs really eased her pain)...
Originally posted by: immunoblot
Here is a very moving piece from a newpaper columnist...
While the young and single life is certainly exciting, eventually a man wants to settle down, to have someone there to greet him when he comes home, someone to love him and care for him always, which is why we have dogs.
When I was in my early 20s and decided to buy a dog, I carefully researched the most suitable breed by going to my neighbor's house and picking a puppy from the litter in his garage. As it turned out, they were all huskies, a breed of dog about as easy to train as velociraptors. I named my puppy Chinook, and after six months of training I had managed to teach it the following tricks:
1. Tear up the couch.
2. Eat my socks.
3. Run away when called.
Of these three, "run away" was the most annoying, because the couch was from my old room at the fraternity house and smelled like it needed an autopsy, and my socks smelled like the couch.
When Chinook ran off, though, it implied she thought she was the boss, which was especially vexing because I couldn't think of a way to prove her wrong. I lived in northern Michigan at the time, working for General Motors, and, let's face it, huskies are better at running through snow than guys wearing ties and loafers. Lacking a better idea, though, I'd pursue her until finally I'd tackle her and then be too exhausted to do anything but lie there with my arms around her.
This is what you wanted? her look said to me, a big hug?
Eventually we reached a compromise: She'd stop running away if I built a fence.
In my defense, I was just doing what many pet owners do, which is to be dumber than my dog. If I'd had any sense, I would have realized that huskies are bred to drag things across long distances and that instead of driving to work on the highway, I should have been taking the Iditarod.
"Chinook," I asked her, "why don't you like me?"
I'm hungry, her look said to me. Pass the socks.
After a few years, I had a family ' and Chinook decided that sticking around suited her just fine. The children were always willing to sit in the wagon or sled and have Chinook pull them. She was finally doing what she craved: She was working.
We moved to a country house in southern Michigan, which is much warmer than northern Michigan by 1 degree Fahrenheit. Chinook never ran away unless there was a thunderstorm, of which she was terrified. At the first rumble from the sky, I made sure she was safely locked in the basement.
One day when the family was out, a storm came, and by the time we returned home Chinook had climbed the fence and fled the thunder. I drove around yelling out my car window (making me very popular with my neighbors), posted signs and took out newspaper ads.
After a week of searching, I had to face it: I'd lost Chinook. Heartbroken, I saw this as just another in a series of failures in pet ownership, and vowed not to get another dog until I was smart enough to take care of one.
And then a farmer called me, responding to my advertisement. Though it had been 9 days and though his farm was more than 25 miles from my home, the stray he'd found sounded enough like my dog for me to drive up there to take a look.
When I pulled into his driveway, a big husky was lying out in the field, 50 yards away. As I stood up, that dog raised her head and then streaked across the field in a flash, tackling me to the ground. It was Chinook, yipping excitedly, licking me, jumping on me, crying. I grabbed her, and she gave me a look that said: This is what I wanted. A great big hug.
That was a long time ago, and I still think I wasn't cut out to be a husky owner ' but that day, seeing how happy Chinook was to see me, I realized this: I must have done something right.
OK Guys here is my take on each of the character and whether or not they were justified in their actions.
Maureen:Can't blame her ..She spent 20 years of her life taking care of a kid who was basically brain dead.
She talked to him ,read to him took care of him basically lived for him and consequently ended up not having a life of her own.
According to me the biggest mistake Maureen made was believe in religion,words written on paper and people who couldn't care less about her or Matty.It is ok to be selfish .. Maureen shouldn't have put her stock in people who didn't have the sensitivity to understand her plight.
I wouldn't blame her for trying to take her life. 😔
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Martin:The guy had a choice,but I can understand where he was coming from.
People basically wrote him off even before he could start.His reputation preceded him everywhere.Being in the media business he could have milked the situation to his advantage and he had alot of things to look forward to in life.
He could have actually cleaned up his act.
Atleast he had kids and a loving girlfriend .
So I am pretty neutral about his decision.😳
Jess:So she fell for a loser of a guy and he betrayed her..Join the club.
It happens to millions of women around the world and they don't jump of high rises.
One sentence of Chas can give you an idea about his character and if Jess fell for him she should have the strength to stand by her decisions and own up the consequences.
And her sister killed herself..does that give her sanction to be an official pain in the butt to everyone around.Her parents were suffering through the tragedy too...The only reason Jess got away with her behavior was because she was young...I have seen many 18 year olds who have lived through much more tragedy and have come out triumphant without losing their dignity.
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JJ:His band broke up..He was sad...Ok.
He didn't have much of an education ,but he could get work.
So basically he could have easily worked during daytime and joined up college at night.Did somebody stop him...nope.
Of all the characters he had the lamest reasons🤢👎🏼
I liked the premise of the book and the idea was quiet intriguing,but the ending kind of fell flat for me....May be because it was too realistic.I wanted some hope ..at least for MAureen
I know where you are coming from Blot ji..But I don't relate to any of the characters except maybe Maureen..That is because I have been brought up with this over blown sense of duty.
Martin ,Jess and JJ are responsible for their own misery..so I cannot relate to them.
But overall the book was good..it was funny and the author handled such a serious subject with competence.
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