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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Riyya dear,

Which world do you live in, sweetheart? There is discrimination against women the world over, and not just in India or the Arab world or in China and Japan. Yes, and rampant sexism as well. Just listen to the latest tapes of Trump talking about women. How degrading it is, is it not? How will such a man treat women who are in his power?

Do you know how difficult it was for western women to even get the vote, which women in India got as a matter of right in 1950, when we adopted our Constitution? Winston Churchill was dead against the vote for women. They used to chain themselves to the railings at 10, Downing Street, in London, the residence of the Prime Minister, at the height of the suffragette movement in the 1920s and 30s, and they were all hauled off to prison. It was only after British women proved their worth during World War II, at home while the men were away fighting, and in the war effort, that they got the vote.

Shyamala Aunty

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so sad to read and hear abt All this... All this exist even today ... omg

Agree with you
But in today's world also the truth is there is discrimination
Ya but in rich or middle class family the girls r given importance even more than boys if they can afford for both
But in poor family if they can afford for only one they prefer boy
I am from middle class family I have not faced anything like that even my father to teach my younger brother if he want to teach him in financially better environment he will ask me because he don't want to make me feel or anytime ask the question that my brother was given more than me as when I was in that standard then we were not that much financially strong So we r able to talk big mouth
But still in my surrounding when I watch my cousin sister being discriminated I ask them why u don't complain your parent then she even talk like my parent r not financially strong I have to go one day but my brother have to take care of himself but I will be taken care by my husband and bla bla
So this is the thinking of society and almost every uneducated girl they r made to think that one day they will be married to nice house and this even happen
My massi daughter was very nice in study she was kept in village and made to do back and then was married in a house with 15 lakh dowry and she is living happily with having two kids and is housewife and she has no complaint although her both brother have done engineering from private college and when you will ask her that your mother has discriminated her response will be no as she has given dowry and my brother education cost and property is equal to that she is not able to understand that if she would have studied then life would have different she doesn't know that there is life for woman or girl beyond husband and children
This is not made story it's reality
Even from boy side it should change as my one other cousin (my BUA daughter )has been given equal treatment even better than her brother as her parent considered her more eligible but now they r having repent to teach their daughter as when they r going to search for groom then the demand is to give dowry and even her salary should be stocked what she has earned
Many other cases like every parent want one boy and one girl to complete family but if they get girl child first time then they will fear for second even will do sex test and abortion but if they get boy first time then without any fear they plan for second child and if it is a girl then also they r happy and if boy then also theyr happy
Even my own case I am first child of my parent my mother was little bit upset and she wanted a second child to be a boy for that she even kept fast although my father case was different he wanted only one baby wether be a girl or a boy but due to my mother in distance and everyone insurance he planned for second Although I have never been discriminated or I have always been loved by all even more than my brother even when he was not born I was so much loved in my family and especially by my parent that I have totally became spoilt not bad girl I mean to say a jiddi girl what I want I demand and I get it type BUT still my question remains MY PARENT HAS NOT DISCRIMINATED BUT WHY AT THE TIME OF BIRTH SHE WANTED FIRST CHILD AS A BOY WHY MY FATHER WANTED ONLY ONE CHILD IF IT IS GIRL BUT IF THERE WAS BOY HE WOULD HAVE HAPPILY AGREED FOR SECOND CHILD BE IT GIRL OR BOY IF THE SECOND CHILD WAS GIRL HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SUPERHAPPY AND IF BOY THEN ALSO NO PROBLEM TYPE BUT IF AFTER ME IF A GIRL HAS BORN THEN ALSO HE WOULD HAVE WELCOMED HER AND AFTER THAT NO CHILD BUT SOMEWHAT HE WOULD HAVE GOT ANGRY ON MY MOTHER WHY THERE CAN BE TWO SONS BUT HE CANT AFFORD TO HAVE TWO DAUGHTER
ANSWER IN MY VIEW BECAUSE DUE TO SOCIETY MY FATHER THOUGHTS R LIKE THAT BECAUSE TO GIVE TWO DAUGHTER A WELL TO DO LIFE HE HAS TO HAVE WITH HIS ALOT MONEY FOR DOWRY he had planned from before for the money as we r not that much rich that time that time my father earned not much to give nice upbringing to two children BECAUSE HOW MUCH U READ IF YOU WANT A NICE FAMILY TO BE MARRIED YOU HAVE TO GIVE DAUGHTER WELL AND MY MOTHER SHE REPRESENTED COMMON MOTHER HER REASON WAS SIMPLE THAT SHE WANT A SON REASON SHE EVEN DONT KNOW BUT MAINLY DOWRY
Although I can assure u one thing that I have never faced any kind of dicpscrimination but I have viewed alot around me because I am from a common family background and that's why I am always feel proud of myself that I have got such parents and not been assigned fate like my cousin or neighborhood friends
Edited by gaushiv13 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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for me A person can love only one at a tym,, if his luv change one after another Dan its not luv,, its may be attraction,, or only for physical need,, Luv is something which is belongs to a different strata and above of evrything.(if its true). An Emperor can have thousands wives, and I'm sure he must complete his duty as husband towards them. BT if he has any luv, it can be only for one at a tym. There is a differences BTW luv and duty,, The Emperor u named have more Dan 10 wives,, and am pretty sure dey do der duty as husband properly,, BT Pratap-Ajabdhe, Jodha-akbar, jahangir-noor relationship were more Dan a duty of husband-wife. That's y they named as luv birds in History.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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They definitely can focus on love story between the emperor and one of his wives... but for that making others vamps is not fair... they are characters who lived and had their own self respects... either they don't show them more or do not show them... like they did in the JA movie...
Because for the purpose of fiction giving a bad character for someone who is no more is not at all fair... this is wat happened in JA serial, as per history Ruqaiyya was Akbar's favorite wife and there was quote said by Akbar about Ruqaiyya that 'I would have never married again if I had married Ruqaiyya when I was mature enough'... and what they did, they made Ruqaiyya a vamp... !!
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Posted: 8 years ago
#34
My dear Gaushiv.

I must tell you that I was absolutely fascinated by your detailed, at the ground level account of the whole girl vs boy debate. I see that we have moved very far away from Prem's original subject, but this is a very interesting debate that is going on!

I was very happy to know that your parents did not regret the fact that their first born was not a boy. Your mother's reaction was the traditional one, that they needed a boy as social security for their old age. So one can understand it.

I can also understand the reactions of your girl cousins who fitted contentedly into the traditional framework. I absolutely insist that every girl must study up the first graduate degree - BA or B.Sc level - but then not all girls are meant for a career.

However, these days, a steadily increasing number of girls and married women are working in offices, banks, stores etc, even after they have one or two kids, and their families adjust to that and are supportive, with the saas looking after the kids and being happy about the extra income. This is a quiet revolution in the status of women in the family.

To revert to you, your father is a truly wonderful man, and you are lucky to have a parent like him.

I a marking in blue the parts of your post that I liked the best.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: gaushiv13


Agree with you
But in today's world also the truth is there is discrimination
Ya but in rich or middle class family the girls r given importance even more than boys if they can afford for both
But in poor family if they can afford for only one they prefer boy
I am from middle class family I have not faced anything like that even my father to teach my younger brother if he want to teach him in financially better environment he will ask me because he don't want to make me feel or anytime ask the question that my brother was given more than me as when I was in that standard then we were not that much financially strong So we r able to talk big mouth
But still in my surrounding when I watch my cousin sister being discriminated I ask them why u don't complain your parent then she even talk like my parent r not financially strong I have to go one day but my brother have to take care of himself but I will be taken care by my husband and bla bla
So this is the thinking of society and almost every uneducated girl they r made to think that one day they will be married to nice house and this even happen
My massi daughter was very nice in study she was kept in village and made to do back and then was married in a house with 15 lakh dowry and she is living happily with having two kids and is housewife and she has no complaint although her both brother have done engineering from private college and when you will ask her that your mother has discriminated her response will be no as she has given dowry and my brother education cost and property is equal to that she is not able to understand that if she would have studied then life would have different she doesn't know that there is life for woman or girl beyond husband and children
EVERY girl, whether she works later or not, should at least graduate from college. Otherwise she will be like a cripple all her life, dependent on others for everything. But given this,
not all women like the kind of independence a job or a career gets them, with all the decisions and problems it brings along. They are happy in their safe little home, and why not? One cannot have a one size fits all approach.
This is not made story it's reality
Even from boy side it should change as my one other cousin (my BUA daughter )has been given equal treatment even better than her brother as her parent considered her more eligible but now they r having repent to teach their daughter as when they r going to search for groom then the demand is to give dowry and even her salary should be stocked what she has earned
Many other cases like every parent want one boy and one girl to complete family but if they get girl child first time then they will fear for second even will do sex test and abortion but if they get boy first time then without any fear they plan for second child and if it is a girl then also they r happy and if boy then also theyr happy
Even my own case I am first child of my parent my mother was little bit upset and she wanted a second child to be a boy for that she even kept fast although my father case was different he wanted only one baby wether be a girl or a boy but due to my mother in distance and everyone insurance he planned for second Although I have never been discriminated or I have always been loved by all even more than my brother even when he was not born I was so much loved in my family and especially by my parent that I have totally became spoilt not bad girl I mean to say a jiddi girl what I want I demand and I get it type BUT still my question remains MY PARENT HAS NOT DISCRIMINATED BUT WHY AT THE TIME OF BIRTH SHE WANTED FIRST CHILD AS A BOY WHY MY FATHER WANTED ONLY ONE CHILD IF IT IS GIRL BUT IF THERE WAS BOY HE WOULD HAVE HAPPILY AGREED FOR SECOND CHILD BE IT GIRL OR BOY IF THE SECOND CHILD WAS GIRL HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SUPERHAPPY AND IF BOY THEN ALSO NO PROBLEM TYPE BUT IF AFTER ME IF A GIRL HAS BORN THEN ALSO HE WOULD HAVE WELCOMED HER AND AFTER THAT NO CHILD BUT SOMEWHAT HE WOULD HAVE GOT ANGRY ON MY MOTHER WHY THERE CAN BE TWO SONS BUT HE CANT AFFORD TO HAVE TWO DAUGHTER
ANSWER IN MY VIEW BECAUSE DUE TO SOCIETY MY FATHER THOUGHTS R LIKE THAT BECAUSE TO GIVE TWO DAUGHTER A WELL TO DO LIFE HE HAS TO HAVE WITH HIS ALOT MONEY FOR DOWRY he had planned from before for the money as we r not that much rich that time that time my father earned not much to give nice upbringing to two children BECAUSE HOW MUCH U READ IF YOU WANT A NICE FAMILY TO BE MARRIED YOU HAVE TO GIVE DAUGHTER WELL AND MY MOTHER SHE REPRESENTED COMMON MOTHER HER REASON WAS SIMPLE THAT SHE WANT A SON REASON SHE EVEN DONT KNOW BUT MAINLY DOWRY
Although I can assure u one thing that I have never faced any kind of dicpscrimination but I have viewed alot around me because I am from a common family background and that's why I am always feel proud of myself that I have got such parents and not been assigned fate like my cousin or neighborhood friends


Originally posted by: sashashyam

Riyya dear,

Which world do you live in, sweetheart? There is discrimination against women the world over, and not just in India or the Arab world or in China and Japan. Yes, and rampant sexism as well. Just listen to the latest tapes of Trump talking about women. How degrading it is, is it not? How will such a man treat women who are in his power?

Do you know how difficult it was for western women to even get the vote, which women in India got as a matter of right in 1950, when we adopted our Constitution? Winston Churchill was dead against the vote for women. They used to chain themselves to the railings at 10, Downing Street, in London, the residence of the Prime Minister, at the height of the suffragette movement in the 1920s and 30s, and they were all hauled off to prison. It was only after British women proved their worth during World War II, at home while the men were away fighting, and in the war effort, that they got the vote.

Shyamala Aunty



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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: pakhiv.

Hi,
Interesting post .well im my opinion yes you are right...indeed monogamy evolved as a result of continous cultural evolution from sexual promiscuity to polygyny or polyandry.
I agree.
But here we are watching a daily soap.. in particular cant fancy an idea of one man and many women trying to crave for his attention.
It was a fact of polygamy as women in harem used to conspire to get the attention of king or resort to various antics ...but it can be digested in a documentary.
But here im trying to watch a soap based upon a said love story.
If i sign in for a love story then only the multiple romance thing becomes erratic.
We are told it is love story of chandra nandini...and then it becomes very tough to watch polygamy and a love story combined.
Had this been the story of chandragupta alone i would have watched all his wives as they were not the main highlight.
As regards making some women look bad and villainous yes it may be wrong but how will the story progress if all is well ..
The only logical thing is to keep history away from this.
Yes a man can love many women but if it is a love story...it has to be a one man and one woman affair.
I think this is the signature line of show.


You are very right, in order to show nandini was chandras love they will make helena vamp, dhuradhara as a saint(like salima begum in akbar case) and of course she die young so she cannot be nandini competition

I am wondering who will bring up motherless bindusara - most probably it will be nandini

but in reality bindusara was close to helena family, to helena's brother and alexanders commanders in syria, persia etc he had very close relation with them as king

So lets see what they show in this serial- if they make helena vamp how can bindusara be close to helena and her family

They may show nandini as yashoda to bindusara

and helena like maham anga to bindusara

But i would prefer if dhuradhara and helena were not part of serial at all

Edited by myviewprem - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Answer is simple.. Love happens only once in life. And the one who gets that are considered very lucky.
If man loves a woman, then he will love her unconditionally. But ladkiyoon ko Ye kahan samjh ata hai
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Riyya dear,

Which world do you live in, sweetheart? There is discrimination against women the world over, and not just in India or the Arab world or in China and Japan. Yes, and rampant sexism as well. Just listen to the latest tapes of Trump talking about women. How degrading it is, is it not? How will such a man treat women who are in his power?

Do you know how difficult it was for western women to even get the vote, which women in India got as a matter of right in 1950, when we adopted our Constitution? Winston Churchill was dead against the vote for women. They used to chain themselves to the railings at 10, Downing Street, in London, the residence of the Prime Minister, at the height of the suffragette movement in the 1920s and 30s, and they were all hauled off to prison. It was only after British women proved their worth during World War II, at home while the men were away fighting, and in the war effort, that they got the vote.

Shyamala Aunty

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so sad to read and hear abt All this... All this exist even today ... omg



yes aunty

indian women are lucky in political rights

they got votes after independece only

and we had a woman prime minister just 30 years after independence

and many women are CMs

But in work place and house holds and society women face terrible discrimination even today

take case of business hardly any high ranking women VP or board member are there, its 99% men

Even major decision making at home is usually done by men folk even if woman earns

I would say this is thanks to women rulers like razia sultan, rani lakshmi bai, chand bibi and nur jahan etc they had proved that they are no less than any man in ruling or freedom fighters like vijaylakshmi pandit etc who went out anf caed police lathi and jail with same braveness as men freedom fighters
Indeed the kotas(dancing centers) played major part in freedom struggle in disseminating information and acting as points for gatherings of freedom struggle in 1857. A very interesting book that i was reading about freedom struggle mentioned the facts.



Edited by myviewprem - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Very interesting debate going on here on a much-discussed topic. @Shyamala Aunty, I agree with all your posts. They're exactly my thoughts on this.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Agree with you
But in today's world also the truth is there is discrimination
Ya but in rich or middle class family the girls r given importance even more than boys if they can afford for both
But in poor family if they can afford for only one they prefer boy
I am from middle class family I have not faced anything like that even my father to teach my younger brother if he want to teach him in financially better environment he will ask me because he don't want to make me feel or anytime ask the question that my brother was given more than me as when I was in that standard then we were not that much financially strong So we r able to talk big mouth
But still in my surrounding when I watch my cousin sister being discriminated I ask them why u don't complain your parent then she even talk like my parent r not financially strong I have to go one day but my brother have to take care of himself but I will be taken care by my husband and bla bla
So this is the thinking of society and almost every uneducated girl they r made to think that one day they will be married to nice house and this even happen
My massi daughter was very nice in study she was kept in village and made to do back and then was married in a house with 15 lakh dowry and she is living happily with having two kids and is housewife and she has no complaint although her both brother have done engineering from private college and when you will ask her that your mother has discriminated her response will be no as she has given dowry and my brother education cost and property is equal to that she is not able to understand that if she would have studied then life would have different she doesn't know that there is life for woman or girl beyond husband and children
This is not made story it's reality
Even from boy side it should change as my one other cousin (my BUA daughter )has been given equal treatment even better than her brother as her parent considered her more eligible but now they r having repent to teach their daughter as when they r going to search for groom then the demand is to give dowry and even her salary should be stocked what she has earned
Many other cases like every parent want one boy and one girl to complete family but if they get girl child first time then they will fear for second even will do sex test and abortion but if they get boy first time then without any fear they plan for second child and if it is a girl then also they r happy and if boy then also theyr happy
Even my own case I am first child of my parent my mother was little bit upset and she wanted a second child to be a boy for that she even kept fast although my father case was different he wanted only one baby wether be a girl or a boy but due to my mother in distance and everyone insurance he planned for second Although I have never been discriminated or I have always been loved by all even more than my brother even when he was not born I was so much loved in my family and especially by my parent that I have totally became spoilt not bad girl I mean to say a jiddi girl what I want I demand and I get it type BUT still my question remains MY PARENT HAS NOT DISCRIMINATED BUT WHY AT THE TIME OF BIRTH SHE WANTED FIRST CHILD AS A BOY WHY MY FATHER WANTED ONLY ONE CHILD IF IT IS GIRL BUT IF THERE WAS BOY HE WOULD HAVE HAPPILY AGREED FOR SECOND CHILD BE IT GIRL OR BOY IF THE SECOND CHILD WAS GIRL HE WOULD HAVE BEEN SUPERHAPPY AND IF BOY THEN ALSO NO PROBLEM TYPE BUT IF AFTER ME IF A GIRL HAS BORN THEN ALSO HE WOULD HAVE WELCOMED HER AND AFTER THAT NO CHILD BUT SOMEWHAT HE WOULD HAVE GOT ANGRY ON MY MOTHER WHY THERE CAN BE TWO SONS BUT HE CANT AFFORD TO HAVE TWO DAUGHTER
ANSWER IN MY VIEW BECAUSE DUE TO SOCIETY MY FATHER THOUGHTS R LIKE THAT BECAUSE TO GIVE TWO DAUGHTER A WELL TO DO LIFE HE HAS TO HAVE WITH HIS ALOT MONEY FOR DOWRY he had planned from before for the money as we r not that much rich that time that time my father earned not much to give nice upbringing to two children BECAUSE HOW MUCH U READ IF YOU WANT A NICE FAMILY TO BE MARRIED YOU HAVE TO GIVE DAUGHTER WELL AND MY MOTHER SHE REPRESENTED COMMON MOTHER HER REASON WAS SIMPLE THAT SHE WANT A SON REASON SHE EVEN DONT KNOW BUT MAINLY DOWRY
Although I can assure u one thing that I have never faced any kind of dicpscrimination but I have viewed alot around me because I am from a common family background and that's why I am always feel proud of myself that I have got such parents and not been assigned fate like my cousin or neighborhood friends

dear

one of my friend(neighbour) is from rajasthan and her parents are doctors

the grandmother has not spoken to grand daughter(my friend) till date because she was first born and a daughter and her parents refused to kill her after birth. Oh yes in many places a daughter is given hard objects to eat after birth so she chokes and dies- its very common practice in india(even in cities like chennai, bangalore etc) that if the girl baby cannot be killed in womb she is killed after birth and buried saying she was very unwell and died suddenly.

So this is all very common but within four walls of a house.

When i and my siblings go to my maternal grandparents house(mothers parents) we are not given jam, ghee, milk or any fruits, dry fruits etc because we are their daughters children(boys or girls do not matter). All the remaining cousins are sons children so they can eat anything in house. So my mother carries jam, sauce, milk powder, apples, bananas, biscuits etc when she takes us to her house on summer holidays. Because as small kids when all our cousins eat jam, fruits etc we would be given just roti or rice and we kids would feel bad and make a scene saying we also want all that our cousins eat. And my uncles are all BE, lawyers, professors, CAs etc not from uneducated backward family all highly literate and well to do family and settled in abroad and big metros. So when they can discriminate anyone can. Its a mentality that a girl after marriage is paraya dhan and so are her children(whether boys or girls) and not part of family(girls family)

So whether you are born in biggest metro in india you(boys o girls) face discrimination in one form or other all life. You get used to it from birth. So better not think of it and spoil your mood, just thank God atleast we have so much and enjoy this precious life God gave us.

Edited by myviewprem - 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: shilpishona

for me A person can love only one at a tym,, if his luv change one after another Dan its not luv,, its may be attraction,, or only for physical need,, Luv is something which is belongs to a different strata and above of evrything.(if its true). An Emperor can have thousands wives, and I'm sure he must complete his duty as husband towards them. BT if he has any luv, it can be only for one at a tym. There is a differences BTW luv and duty,, The Emperor u named have more Dan 10 wives,, and am pretty sure dey do der duty as husband properly,, BT Pratap-Ajabdhe, Jodha-akbar, jahangir-noor relationship were more Dan a duty of husband-wife. That's y they named as luv birds in History.


Yes shilpi

You are right, but i think there are many kinds of love(real love)

One kind of love is like romeo juliet, heer ranjha kind where lovers rather die together than live seperate at any cost

Second kind is like jehangir- nur jahan, you seperate because of parents pressure and parents happiness and then if possible you get together later and live together(but of course its no certainty you can get together later as it depends on fate)

Third kind is like salim- anarkali or baz bahadur - roopmati where one dies or sacrifices life and another lives(because of family pressure or responsibility or you have higher goals to achieve etc)

Fourth is both neither marry nor marry any one else(like shair ludiyanivi, amrita pritam)

So i for one do not think love is only if you marry or only if you have kids, once you get a thing love or passion for that reduces to certain extent as you have got the thing you love

Dying also i think is more a over passionate thing which i do not find correct. God has given one life why die for one person sake. After all love is not everything, you have a family, parents,siblings, friends who too love you(may be not like a lover) and responsibility towards them and your job and state and country. So why waste precious life by dying for your love.



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