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Posted: 8 years ago
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Very interesting, Akka. But though I was vaguely conscious of this practice, I do not know how widespread it was.

I asked my mother, who knows about it, though she got no such thing from her mother - they were two sisters. Nor did my grandmother get anything from her mother - and she was one of 4 sisters. I suppose it was a voluntary tradition.

It seems to have died out on its own, just like the far more firmly established matrilineal tradition of marumakkal thaayam among the Nair community in Kerala, which has faded away under the pressures of modern urban living and nuclear families.

Shyamala

Originally posted by: karkuzhali

Shyamala,
Even till recent times, some women enjoyed their "Manjakkani Sotthu" inherited from their mothers. The property is transferred to their daughters, and from them to their daughters and so on..One standing example was my eldest sister- in -law who inherited the Manjakkani property from her mother after her mother died in the late forties.. I don't think it is prevalent now. Haven't heard of any law enacted nullifying this sort of inheritance.

Akka.
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".. Since women hardly tilled land or herded cattle for grazing, in an agrarian society it made common sense that a family's land / cattle holdings (the primary sources of wealth) should pass on from father to son and that daughters would be fobbed off with bridal dowries when they got married. Eventually , over time, even that dowry got virtually confiscated by the husband's family , leaving only a few pieces of gold and silver ornaments with the women as streedhan."

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thank you so much, my dear Ankit! My new post should be up later today, and i look forward to seeing your comments there.

No, you are not late. In any case, if you all sent in your comments at the same time, how would I cope with them? As it is, I feel that I am on a treadmill that is going faster and faster, and I am struggling to keep pace with it. I do not know how long I can keep this up!

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: ankit-pandey24

No doubt once again a great analysis aunty
I fully agree with ever points here
I have few points regarding Thursday episode and will post in your analysis post of that episode

Thanks for PM and sorry for being late

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Shyamala,
My SIL's grandmother had Manjakkani lands, which she bequeathed to her 4 daughters. She had a son. But he did not get any share of his mother's property . My SIL got her share from her mother, along with her sister. I think this sort of ownership was prevalent only in some families then. I have heard about Marumakkal Thayam , but my SIL belonged to Thanjavur District.

Akka.




Originally posted by: sashashyam

Very interesting, Akka. But though I was vaguely conscious of this practice, I do not know how widespread it was.

I asked my mother, who knows about it, though she got no such thing from her mother - they were two sisters. Nor did my grandmother get anything from her mother - and she was one of 4 sisters. I suppose it was a voluntary tradition.

It seems to have died out on its own, just like the far more firmly established matrilineal tradition of marumakkal thaayam among the Nair community in Kerala, which has faded away under the pressures of modern urban living and nuclear families.

Shyamala

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Sorry I could not reply last night. I was on call and had to leave.

You know Aunty, I did not mind his carelessness before Nandini because to him a daasi was not at all anything important. Judging from the way he was walking off after knowing she was a woman, I think he did not take her seriously anymore.

What I did mind was the beard of his next avatar. Yes, you heard me. That was illogical. How did he even get that lock of hair to stick I ask you? 😆The costume would have been enough. The facial hair was overkill.

The best thing about the court scene was Chandra's stillness. If you notice, once he is unmasked, he does not waver. In his mind he knows he is surrounded but there is no anxiety or fear in him. When the guards put their swords to him even then he is still. Th enemy speaks of killing him but he makes no response.

This stillness reminds me of a seasoned predator. Silent, observing and assessing. There is an alertness to his unmoving stature, a calculative anticipation in his face. Here is a warrior who knows how not to waste his energy on useless posturing and blustering. He'd rather conserve his strength and seek the right moment to strike. He speaks only after his rival, the heir, is defeated.

Pain is no stranger to him. He is transforming the agony of those lashes into controlled fury as they fall. His defiance of a king's pride as he rejects his most important thing, his daughter, is a masterstroke.

He calculates and stays eight steps ahead of his enemy. Everything is planned. Even a weakened fall that hides the stealing of a weapon which will aid in a future escape. Quite fascinating, the way this warrior's mind works.

Chanakya has successfully created the kind of warrior that is rarely seen. The perfect kind.

I don't know why you have so little patience for Nandini.😕 What is the point of railing against her childlike disposition when that is what she really must show at this point of the story? Bacchi hai toh bachpana hi karegi na. 😆

She is a kid at heart. The invincibility of her father and brothers is an immutable fact of her life. She has thwarted a spy and been of use to her family. It is an adventure for our naughty girl, for her excitement makes it plain that she has not yet attained that maturity of a woman. Now she will watch the spy she has caught, a first experience for her, be punished justly. The way she defends her father later to her mother makes it all the more obvious. She is daddy's girl.

How else can one explain her declaration, that she will never marry! No one is as good as her family, for she has discovered a better warrior who is not good. He is better, but he is a spy. A bad person in her mind. Better is not equal to more goodness, anymore!

Her awakening to womanhood is yet on the horizon. But the first stones are being laid. Today she has seen her undefeatable brother be defeated. It has shaken her up. That is why she is angry. This spy has not just shaken the court but also her view of the world.

Yet there are signs that she may yet be great...the last scene when Chandra turns up, a man in a bath full of women...all the females squeal and flock to hide behind the queen but Nandini does not. Fleeing, I sense, does not even cross her mind. It is shock and then anger at this man's outrageousness that exists in her head. Whatever her father may be, he has raised a woman that thinks herself no less to any man.

I like both their characterizations. As the story moves forward, I am sure they will develop even further. 😳

Yes, you are being harsh so I plead that you not use our female lead as the outlet. Keeping expectations for the next step of a serial is never wise, I have discovered. It usually leaves one disappointed and frustrated. So I have learned to not hope and just let the story flow. It is less bothersome that way, don't you think? 😉


Originally posted by: sashashyam

Well, my dear Ankita, that is a good effort from Chandragupta's counsel for the defence, but it does not quite wash as far as I am concerned. It was such pointless and dangerous babbling that I was very disappointed.

The only saving grace was that once that Raja Paravtak turned up, Chandragupta would have been trapped even if he had not committed that piece of folly. And then he defeated Dhananand fair and square, and rounded that off by rejecting Nandini's hand to boot. His confrontation scene with Padmanand was splendid.He actually smiled broadly,saying Nissandeh!, even though he knew what was going to happen to him, and I was almost clapping at the bravura insouciance of it all.

His Chandragupta is also eternally focussed on his assigned task, and they showed that even more pointedly tonight. And the tricks taught by Chanakya which he uses to such good effect to escape were delightful.

As I wrote above to Shreya, I find that Nandini still irritates me. Like today when she was sitting in the court, bobbing her head up and down like a silly cheerleader for her Dhan Bhaiyya, and grinning intermittently. I loved the shellshocked look on her face when Chandragupta floors her Dhan Bhaiyya and could have easily killed him.

Now I hope he takes her along a hostage part of the way, slung across his saddle like a sack of potatoes, and once he is far enough away to feel safe, dumps her unceremoniously by the roadside, preferably in a nice puddle of mud. A free mudpack!. 😉 Yes, I know that I am being harsh, but I am feeling cross at having got stuck with that Option B, and I do not feel at all charitable towards the girl.

Shyamala Aunty

Edited by BrienneOfTarth - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Ankita my dear,

No, I don't. Think that way, that is.

I have so little patience with the present Nandini because she is like a silly schoolgirl,or one of the irritating heroines of the old films, not like a princess born and bred. She is not childlike, she is childish , and there is a big difference between the two.

She may be a bachchi in private, but in public, she has to be royal. But look at her giggling like a schoolgirl whe n the other princes voice their dismay at what they see as an unfair and impossible condition for the swayamwar. There is no queenliness, about her, no dignity. Princesses do not laugh at their invited guests. That is it.

She sits there like a foolish little cheerleader, waiting to see a man slaughtered in front of her eyes and clapping like a member of the crowd at a Roman gladiatorial contest. No one else reacts like that. They are all silent, except for Tun Tun. I wish Chandragupta had killed that brother dearest, as he will undoubtedly do later.

The spy is not caught because of her cleverness. He is caught because that Raja Parvatak turns up at precisely the wrong moment. If daddy's girl is patting herself on the back for that, she is a bigger fool that I had taken her to be.

And what is there so wonderful or great about her not running away? A princess is expected have the pride of her birth, if nothing else (for all that she is only a barber's daughter. Wonder if she knows that. I expect not!). She is not a daasi to run away. I still hope she is dumped in that slush!😉

Don't waste your time being counsel for the defence for Nandini, my dear . It is not going to change my mind, not as she is at present. Nor do I buy your whitewashing of Chandra's colossal folly, though it had, in the end, no bearing on the ultimate outcome, for he would have been trapped in any case.

Yes, what I do agree with is your wonderful take on Chandragupta the warrior in the lion pit. Beautiful!👏

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: BrienneOfTarth

Sorry I could not reply last night. I was on call and had to leave.

You know Aunty, I did not mind his carelessness before Nandini because to him a daasi was not at all anything important. Judging from the way he was walking off after knowing she was a woman, I think he did not take her seriously anymore.

What I did mind was the beard of his next avatar. Yes, you heard me. That was illogical. How did he even get that lock of hair to stick I ask you? 😆The costume would have been enough. The facial hair was overkill.

The best thing about the court scene was Chandra's stillness. If you notice, once he is unmasked, he does not waver. In his mind he knows he is surrounded but there is no anxiety or fear in him. When the guards put their swords to him even then he is still. Th enemy speaks of killing him but he makes no response.

This stillness reminds me of a seasoned predator. Silent, observing and assessing. There is an alertness to his unmoving stature, a calculative anticipation in his face. Here is a warrior who knows how not to waste his energy on useless posturing and blustering. He'd rather conserve his strength and seek the right moment to strike. He speaks only after his rival, the heir, is defeated.

Pain is no stranger to him. He is transforming the agony of those lashes into controlled fury as they fall. His defiance of a king's pride as he rejects his most important thing, his daughter, is a masterstroke.

He calculates and stays eight steps ahead of his enemy. Everything is planned. Even a weakened fall that hides the stealing of a weapon which will aid in a future escape. Quite fascinating, the way this warrior's mind works.

Chanakya has successfully created the kind of warrior that is rarely seen. The perfect kind.

I don't know why you have so little patience for Nandini.😕 What is the point of railing against her childlike disposition when that is what she really must show at this point of the story? Bacchi hai toh bachpana hi karegi na. 😆

She is a kid at heart. The invincibility of her father and brothers is an immutable fact of her life. She has thwarted a spy and been of use to her family. It is an adventure for our naughty girl, for her excitement makes it plain that she has not yet attained that maturity of a woman. Now she will watch the spy she has caught, a first experience for her, be punished justly. The way she defends her father later to her mother makes it all the more obvious. She is daddy's girl.

How else can one explain her declaration, that she will never marry! No one is as good as her family, for she has discovered a better warrior who is not good. He is better, but he is a spy. A bad person in her mind. Better is not equal to more goodness, anymore!

Her awakening to womanhood is yet on the horizon. But the first stones are being laid. Today she has seen her undefeatable brother be defeated. It has shaken her up. That is why she is angry. This spy has not just shaken the court but also her view of the world.

Yet there are signs that she may yet be great...the last scene when Chandra turns up, a man in a bath full of women...all the females squeal and flock to hide behind the queen but Nandini does not. Fleeing, I sense, does not even cross her mind. It is shock and then anger at this man's outrageousness that exists in her head. Whatever her father may be, he has raised a woman that thinks herself no less to any man.

I like both their characterizations. As the story moves forward, I am sure they will develop even further. 😳

Yes, you are being harsh so I plead that you not use our female lead as the outlet. Keeping expectations for the next step of a serial is never wise, I have discovered. It usually leaves one disappointed and frustrated. So I have learned to not hope and just let the story flow. It is less bothersome that way, don't you think? 😉


Edited by sashashyam - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Nandini jumps clear over Chandra in a bizarre manner, like a jack rabbit, or a pole vaulter without the pole😆, and when Chandra walks up a vertical wall to do an entirely unnecessary somersault before landing on his feet, which is where he was in the first place!😉

Again... something that made me go LOL... 😆 koranguthanam! I laughed for a good 5 minutes over this!

Lastly, to top things off, there is the Star Trekkie Amatya Rakshas

I haven't seen this... so why is he called the star trekkie, periyamma? Just a nick you gave him because he's a star gazer/astrologist?

He goes on to repeat the prem ya ghrina spiel , a very odd thing to say under the circumstances, but his main point is that a couple who get married at this conjunction of the moon and Rohini are leg shackled for life - in all absorbing love for or murderous hatred of each other. So what is new there for us, folks? 😉

Misleading spiel: To revert, this belief of mine, that Chandragupta was on to Nandini's deception very soon, was reinforced during their subsequent encounter, with her in a proper daasi outfit, when Chandragupta is on his detailed reconnaissance tour of the palace.

He treats the supposed maid of the princess to a curious spiel about how his real goal is to seize the rajya Magadha, by means fair or foul, by consent or by theft.

Vivaah karne kaun aaya hai? Hum use paane aaye hain jiski sundarta man moh leti hai..Jise dekhte hi use jeevan ka lakshya bana diya jaata hai..Jiske pas aakar rikht haathon lautna aasmabhav hai..Wo apni ichchanusaar aaye to theek, anyataa chura loonga main use..

Then, responding to the fake daasi's protest, Rajkumari ke baare mein baat nahin kar raha hoon main. Baat kar raha hoon rajya Magadh ka!

It was an extremely strange, indeed dangerous thing to say even to a maid, especially when he tops off this peroration and responds to Nandini's pitying reference to his not knowing Maha Padmanand, with Jaanta hoon, tabhi to aaya hoon! , while his lips curl in barely veiled contempt.

It sounded and looked exactly like a magician forcing a card on you while producing the illusion that it is your own free selection. But why this spiel at all?

Why, because by now, Chandragupta knows perfectly well that the pseudo maid is Nandini herself. As this is almost obvious, he deserves no special brownie points for that.

So now he wants, for some as yet obscure Chanakyan purpose of his own, to make her suspect him, either his bonafides or his intentions or both. Which is why he takes the turn towards Maha Padmanand's rooms, the opposite direction to the one Nandini had indicated.

What he said here has to be part of a deliberate plan. Otherwise it makes no sense at all, it would be simply inviting trouble for nothing and torpedoing his own plan. For after having said such explosive things, it would hardly be enough to change the topic and refer to the King's invitation.

Much as we want things to happen a logical way, it doesn't... I was reading your disappointed replies about this... kyaa karein if only the script writers thought like us...

Instead, they wanted it to just be a session of male here-I-am-see-if-you-can-stop-me bravado to a lady he just met?


The main players: Rajat's Chandragupta: He brings nuances to his eyes, his face, his demeanour, that invest his Chandragupta with more shades than perhaps the director ever dreamed of.

It is not only in the opening scene, which I had discussed in my last post. His shifting expressions before and during the duel are fascinating. Puzzlement, suspicion, hostility, curiosity, a grim determination to get at the real identity of the shubhchintak, the shock as her feminine identity is revealed, the total absence of any reaction as she seems to be hugging him - all these shades of emotion chase each other across a face that, in his Jalal, was always mobile, but is now always still and unmoving.

However, as I had noted the last time, he also manages to make it clear to the viewer that this stillness is illusory and that his mind is working beneath the surface at top speed.

I repeat myself, but I do love that parallel. His is the stillness at the centre of a spinning top. He moves, but nothing moves inside him.

Plus, he is a cinematographer's dream. Take the classic profile and the now lean, drawn face, free of the slightest hint of chubbiness. Take the planes under skin that is stretched tight, showing the fine underlying bone structure. Add an abundance of wavy, unruly curls framing that face, and every shot of his Chandragupta looks like a painting: a Van Dyke, a Franz Hals, or a sculpted head from a museum in Athens or Florence.

How beautiful Periyamma... What a way to be described! If only RT read this...

I am too old to go gaga over a handsome young man, but pure beauty entrances me still, and in Chandra Nandini, Rajat's Chandragupta is almost impossibly goodlooking in frame after frame after frame.

👏

I am not among those who love her chulbulapan, the girlish giggling, the teasing, the running around with her sakhis. As I noted elsewhere, I do not like giggling girls, whether in the 1970s films or now; they invariably look silly to me.

But there was one point where Nandini, though doing some of the same things that irritate me, came off very well. This was when the number of princely candidates stalls for a while at 14, and she is convinced that she has scared off Paravtak Malayaketu. As she chortles in pure glee and repeats delightedly that No.15 has been scared off, she is exactly like a naughty little girl so pleased that her trick has paid off. Delightful!👏

I've noticed one thing periyamma... correct me if I am wrong... you don't like giggly girls who are giggling on, without any purpose on end... but those types who are up to some real mischief... and do manage to pull out what they intended to, you DO like... don't you? 😆

Of course this joy is fleeting, for soon our hero saunters in on a very graceful white mount, making sure he is not one of the crowd, but a solo, standout entrant. Plus, he also has much more time to survey and assess the palace entrance and its security.


To revert, this Nandini will begin to shine once she is allowed to get out of this atipriya putri straightjacket, and can cut loose. There is promise, even now, of this. In her scenes with Chandragupta, she is neither coy nor arrogant, but simply matter of fact, which is a relief, and forceful when necessary. She does not rave and rant or start speechifying (as yet).

Please please please don't forget the all-important 'as yet'... this is EKTA after all.. 😆

There were one or two points from the last two review that I wanted to bring up to for their innate beauty.. I'll do it in this thread.. 🤗

I am finding it tough to find the time to read all the fantastic analysis you come up with for every episode, and everyone's replies to it, and then your replies to them.. and then to write the kind of reply it warrants too... And all this without sparing the usual 20-30 minutes for an episode yet... 😲

How am I ever going to find the time?😭

I found it easier doing analysis/replies during JA time... I guess because I wasn't juggling a novel and a toddler then... (which already takes up many of my waking hours)🤔

I will reply as and when I can Periyamma... (is it ok even if I only drop in a line... or would you prefer I only wrote when I have something longer to write)

But be assured, (if you see my like) I am reading EVERYTHING you write... 🤗

Edited by lashy - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Shyamala Aunty...saw the 4 episodes.. .😃
1) ufff...
2) ufff...😎
3) ufff...⭐️

Need I say more ???😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I think Nandini is being shown as silly & school girlishly giggly on purpose, so that the difference will be stark when the transformation takes place of an innocent, naive father worshipping daughter to a revengeful warrior princess after her kin is wiped out by CGM...😃

Also, I thought I was watching Krish 4 for a minute during the show... 😆
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">Thank you so much, my dear Ankit! My new post should be up later today, and i look forward to seeing your comments there.

No, you are not late. In any case, if you all sent in your comments at the same time, how would I cope with them? As it is, I feel that I am on a treadmill that is going faster and faster, and I am struggling to keep pace with it. I do not know how long I can keep this up!

Shyamala Aunty


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Yess you are doing a difficult job here to give reply to each comment
But I think you must give rest to you and especially your fingers
You don't need to give reply to each comments
It's your humbleness that you do that
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Thank you once again for this wonderful post aunty.
The makers are showing this old prehistoric show in their own modern way which is sometimes annoying though. But nonetheless ChandraNandini is a great treat.

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