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Posted: 8 years ago
#41

Originally posted by: shailusri1983

Looks like a fast paced and good episode. I am yet to watch it. Just a small doubt. You were telling that Chandra met Moora. Does he know his real identity then? Does he know what Padmanand did to his father and mother? It would be really interesting if he gets to know at this point. It will intensify his hatred for Padmanand and give him one more reason to overthrow him. A lot of self-righteous anger and feeling of revenge you know!

No,he still doesn't know anything yet about himself.Padmanand orders his soldiers to put him in jail.In the jail,he meets Moora who gives him water because he was injured and was missing his mother.She then helps him flee from the jail.Chandra tells her to come with him but she refuses saying that her son will come and take her away.

I found that dialogue of Moora little silly.😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

My dear Gemini,

Welcome to my threads! And thank you for an unusual and graceful compliment.

It might, however, be a good idea to watch the show, beginning with Episode 4. One can never fully replace the visual with mere words!

Shyamala Aunty (Di?)


@ Shyamala Di I meant my compliment will watch from Episode 4 as you suggested.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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My dear Shailaja,

So here you are, with another lucid set of comments! Good!

I am marking in blue the parts I liked the best, as also my supplementary comments.

Shyamala Aunty

-Unreserved-

Aunty you would not have been far behind the Truth if you had titled your episode analysis thread as 'Khoon Bhari Maang'. Even that would have done justice to the content. It is a union both blessed and accursed to stay together by destiny. Who lends credence to this argument- our very own Red Indian Chief, Amatya Rakshas, who has by now tripled up as a jyotishya gyani and door darshi apart from his prime ministerial and fencing teacher duties. What else does this man know? I am really curious to know! But my problem does it work only on the Sri Nandini Vivah prospects? Doesn't he sense an impending doom and impending suryaasth of Padmanand and sense the chandroday of his nemesis Chandra?

Now this last is a very interesting question. But even if he had sensed it - he looked disgusted when he could not get the uxorious Padmanand to pay any attention to the security needs of Bharat as a whole - he would have kept it to himself. And then he landed on his feet even after the change of regime, for he became Chandragupta's mahaamatya!

Nandini does a very shoddy job of impersonation, touching her moustache every now and then and excessive enthusiasm and over eagerness to put forward her own point that it hardly takes a single minute for Chandra to figure out that he is seeing a cooked up identity. The contrast between her behavior and that of Chandra who is also impersonating a part is remarkable. He is as cool as a cucumber in his composure and calculated behavior.

Chanakya often remarks that Chandra is his Brahmastra. When one sees him in action today, one is reminded of a ballistic missile primed and set up for launch to perfection with not even a 0.009 chances of failure to hit the target. All it takes is one button from a remote control and he is going to leave behind a trail of destruction.

I pinched that expression from Chanakya and used it in one of my posts. It is a splendidly evocative term.

The famous sword scene plays out. Nandini barely manages to hold her own against Chandra. If at all she gets in a couple of unexpected thrusts in, it is purely because Chandra is more intent on unmasking the impersonator and not going all out.

Voila! The Khoon Bhari Maang happens! I am not wasting my breath on it after the detailed explanation volunteered by Door Darshi Amatya Rakshas on its significance. If at all Amatya had not done his bit, I bet that Bharath Mata would have jumped the bandwagon to explain the significance of this union and what it meant to her!

Later on we have Chandra and his hawk eyes taking in every bit of Magadh while the rest of the princes are just disinterestedly prancing on like patent tourists before an over enthusiastic guide. He does the falling behind,the photographic detailing of every single bit that he sees and observes, and his hiding between the crowd unnoticed to perfection.

Chandra is in absolute control of everything. If at all he gets caught tomorrow, I presume that even that is part of his game plan! Nandini, my girl watch out for him! Even if his getting caught is not part of his plan, he is going to slip out of your hands like the sand!

Well, it is not so neat as one would have wanted it for they picked my Option B, but he had an awful run of bad luck in that Parvatak turning up out of the blue. Poor Chandragupta. But he carried it off magnificently, and yes, he did slip out of their hands. And now he has Nandini as a hostage. More of that tomorrow.

The one thing I noticed about this Chandra is his ability to be unmoved by anything he sees or experiences, unlike the younger one who used to frequently flare up in anger. I could feel the poor girl's heart fluttering a teeny weeny bit when she and Chandra were standing is such proximity during the sword fight.

Yes, Chandra is totally unaffected. All that interests him is to find out who precisely she is.

But on his side, I could decipher just a void or a steep, slippery, dangerous and insurmountable mountain henge. Nobody can climb up to see exactly what he is until he himself permits it. Beautiful phrasing, my dear. Quite lovely.

That is not going to happen in a long long while. Nandini, you really have a very difficult path before you. Aunty, your spinning top analogy was perfect for describing Chandra.

I have now thought up something else. He is like a lambent flame sheathed in ice. One has to see when Nandini is able to get thru the ice.

When I see the two of them, I am reminded of an immense and gigantic black hole and a blazing and brilliant star passing by in its vicinity. We all know what happens in such a scenario but still it leaves us clamoring to know what shared destiny both of them have after their inevitable union. Only time can tell!

A most unusual comparison, Shailaja. You have a talent for this kind of thing, I find.

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Posted: 8 years ago
#44
Such Incredible writers on this thread I am glad I found this thread and maybe a good show to watch.👏
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Posted: 8 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: sashashyam

Thank you, my dear Manasi, but actually I am feeling very cross after being stuck with my far less interesting Option B (did you read the revised version, also on page 1, of part of the original post?), which I did not like at all. Anyway, I suppose I should be gratified at having got at least that right, for usually my scores in the matter of predicting what is going to happen are dismal. 😆

>> YESS i have read that revised version , so fikar not...😳

i actually feel bad when this happens , before also in JA forum it was skanda12 ( i think she is also manasi...😕 ) who used to write very nice takes on episodes along with fine predictions for future but what we used to get...🤢 , it just that there main focus is on drama quotient nothing else .

i so liked that option A of yours which was far more interesting & gripping but i know that would be too much for our genius writers...😉

Your Mura guess came true, but it was not too melodramatic, and then she was needed for his escape. I realised, after I had outlined my Option B, that they could not let him find out about her being his mother so soon. That is reserved for Episode 150!

>> yeah it happened , it may sound funny but i actually forgot her until yesterday when some peeps reminded me...😆

good it was not dragged much & got finished in single episode surprisingly...😛

reserved for 150...🤣 , going with the pace i don't think it would be 150 or it could be who knows...😉 but i know this pace will only be followed till they arrive on their favorite part...😉

As I wrote above to Shreya,
I loved Chandragupta today in the court scene with Padmanand.He triumphed effortlessly, and the look on his face when the real Raja Parvatak turns up, thru sheer bad luck for our hero, was unbelievably cool. He actually smiled broadly,saying Nissandeh!, even though he knew what was going to happen to him, and I was almost clapping at the bravura insouciance of it all.

>> he was the star today...👏

honestly it was first episode where my interest got picked after reading the written update maybe due to lot of action & immediately i watched those scenes on insta clips...must say i loved it & liked other happenings in court after sword fight .

now waiting for your elaborate analysis for these parts...😳


I find that Nandini still irritates me. Like today when she was sitting in the court, bobbing her head up and down like a silly cheerleader for her Dhan Bhaiyya, and grinning intermittently. I loved the shellshocked look on her face when Chandragupta floors her Dhan Bhaiyya and could have easily killed him.

>> i think its the overconfidence she has...that is not letting her see other things .
you must have noticed & rejoiced with the look in her eyes when chandra actually rejects her...kyunki yeh sambandh mujhe swikar nahi hain...😛

Now I hope he takes her along a hostage part of the way, slung across his saddle like a sack of potatoes, and once he is far enough away to feel safe, dumps her unceremoniously by the roadside, preferably in a nice puddle of mud. A free mudpack!. 😉

>>sounds good...👍🏼
but tomorrow is friday na , so all am expecting is a cliffhanger episode...😉

Shyamala Aunty

Edited by cute.manasi - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
#46
Abhaya,

I will be responding to your post to me, but one request. Please let go of Jodha Akbar. 😆It is long past its expiry date😉, and Chandragupta is not Jalal. Nor, thank the Lord, is this Nandini, with all her failings, like the mostly insufferable Jodha Begum. And she is an acclaimed actress, so she should be able to deliver in the tougher scenes. And where was there a reflection in the water scene?

As for the topic here, the declining status of women, that had not started in this era, the 4th century BC. It was really not till the Gupta period some 6/7 centuries later, and then of course the Muslim invasions made matters much worse for North Indian women.

In the pre-Vedic India it is clear that women enjoyed a high degree of social equality since in most tribal societies property is communally held and mothers tend to be more important than fathers. Even in the early Vedic period the high status of women was recognised and there were women rishis like Gargi who could hold their own with the likes of Yagyanvalka in philosophical discourses, including the nature of Brahman.

However, with the emergence of private property, the importance of patriarchal societies grew steadily and a person's socio-economic standing came to be determined by who was his/her father. Since women hardly tilled land or herded cattle for grazing, in an agrarian society it made common sense that a family's land / cattle holdings (the primary sources of wealth) should pass on from father to son and that daughters would be fobbed off with bridal dowries when they got married. Eventually , over time, even that dowry got virtually confiscated by the husband's family , leaving only a few pieces of gold and silver ornaments with the women as streedhan.
For a while under Buddhist influence from the mid-6th century BC onwards. women did get back a degree of respect and recognition , but the loss of economic independence spelled their eventual doom.

By the time of the Guptas from the 4th to the 6th century AD there was a tremendous revival of Hinduism and it is clear from both our epics and the numerous puranas, that the status of women was going steadily downhill. Manusmriti in particular damned both women and the lower orders of the Varna-based social hierarchy to a perpetual inferior status.

With North India , in particular, regularly subject to waves of foreign invasions, purity of blood-lines became a major concern for many orthodox Indians and progressively early marriages for both men and women became the norm. With many men dying in frequent warfare , both polygamy and early widow-hood became the twin curses visiting women. By the time the Turco-Afghan invaders arrived on the scene in the 10th century , the status of women was already quite low, but the invasions worsened the situation for obvious reasons and, as always, the women and the weaker sections of the society, bore the brunt of the ensuing iniquities and injustices.

Phew, that sounds like a lecture! Sorry, but it is a subject on which one should have clear ideas.

Shyamala


Originally posted by: fanjarajat

Oh I meant women were probably more emancipated before the dark ages befell on us with art and beauty enjoying prominence. The doubt comes bcoz Chandra refuses to fight a woman..probably out of respect or divided roles??

So essentially i think it was more liberated then the age of sati ...subjugation of women..darg age or middle age..etc.
I also shades of JA being copied what with the sword fight (JA's fight was much more entertaining) and the Khoon Bhari Maang and reflection in Water during the festival.
Hope to see some originality to make it more interesting.

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Posted: 8 years ago
#47
Of course I do not mind, my dear Subha, and I must say that it is a very neat and comprehensive take. But then you were always very good at summing things up crisply and tellingly!

I agree with the parts now in blue.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: .Subha.

Aunty,if u don't mind,can I write my analysis of today's episode here?😳By the time u will write ur analysis,I will forget what I have to write.😆

Today's episode was a better one.

Today we saw the hard as well as soft side of Chandra.

As I said yesterday,I am happy that they didn't drag the 'Nandini pretending to be a daasi' for a long time.When Chandra saw Nandini as a princess,he was surprised for a second but other than that,there was no other feeling.😃I am glad his focus is still on his mission than Nandini.

When Padmanand challenged Chandra to take part in the sword fight,I liked the smile that he gave as is he is all ready for the challenge.😃Even after getting exposed as a 'behroopiya' by Padmanand and Malayketu's father(whose getup was more like a sage than a king),there was no worry or nervousness or fear on Chandra's face.So far,Ekta is giving full justice to Chandra's character.

I am not happy with the actor who was cast as Dhananand.Dhananand was an evil man and this guy doesn't look like evil from any angle.He is not even half as evil as his father.

I enjoyed the fight scene and then Chandra refusing to marry Nandini.Nandini's ego hurt for a second that someone rejected her and she felt insulted.

The scene where Padmanand was thrashing Chandra showed Chandra's strong side.

In the scene with Moora,they showed his soft side.No matter how much hard training he got from Chanakya but he is still a little boy who needs his Maa after getting hurt badly.I loved that scene too.

By now,Avantika is in full on hate mode for Padmanand and she wants her daughter to see the real face of her father.But I feel that was not the right time to say the truth to her.I want Avantika to show Nandini her father's evil actions first then make her believe he is not a great human as she thinks.Only Avantika can show Nandini Padmanand's evil actions.

I somehow doubt if anything will work to open Nandini's eyes.

Coming to performances,Rajat was as usual rocking.

Arpit needs to do something on his dialogue delivery.He speaks dialogues so fast that sometimes I can't get what he is talking.

Swetha is a good actress but she doesn't show the grace that a rajkumari has.I have noticed in promos as well as in today's episode,when she was walking to the darbar,that grace in her walk was missing.She was walking so fast as if she has to catch a train.She doesn't have that ada of a princess.

Anyways,I always enjoy reading ur posts.😊 Thank you, my dear.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thank you, my dear Nonie. And yes, I agree completely with you about Rajat.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: Nonie12345

Amazing analysis Aunty😃

Rajal is just amazing as chandragupt

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Quote: sashashyam:

".. Since women hardly tilled land or herded cattle for grazing, in an agrarian society it made common sense that a family's land / cattle holdings (the primary sources of wealth) should pass on from father to son and that daughters would be fobbed off with bridal dowries when they got married. Eventually , over time, even that dowry got virtually confiscated by the husband's family , leaving only a few pieces of gold and silver ornaments with the women as streedhan."

Shyamala,
Even till recent times, some women enjoyed their "Manjakkani Sotthu" inherited from their mothers. The property is transferred to their daughters, and from them to their daughters and so on..One standing example was my eldest sister- in -law who inherited the Manjakkani property from her mother after her mother died in the late forties.. I don't think it is prevalent now. Haven't heard of any law enacted nullifying this sort of inheritance.

Akka.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Quote: Shagun:

Okay, I get the kind of groups you are referring to.


There are no boys in my school since it isn't a co-ed one. 😆


I don't think I ever was or ever will be one of the giggly and drama types. Though yes, I do spend a lot of my day simply laughing off...😆



Shagun,

Yes.. you are like this now...


Once you enter College, you will be different!
Like this...
Image result for pics of college girls giggling


Aunty.
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