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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thank you very much, my dear Akanksha. I remember your very evocative Akbar-Heera poems on Lashy's threads.

As for Chanakya's near collapse when faced with the wild boar, as I wrote above to Shailaja, he might have know santaram vidya and how to walk on water, but not how to climb a tree! 😉Besides, he has no weapon and he is blindsided by that creature appearing suddenly.

I know that this is not entirely convincing, but it is the best I can do! If you see my last post on Episode 5, you will see that I was a bit disappointed, not by his being unable to fight off the beast, but by the look of near terror on his face.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: luvuyuvi

Aunty
The analysis was Phenomenal. Yeah... rajat's intro was bit filmy. But I'm going to ignore this, as finally our hero is here. And moreover his"andaaz" was completely different. Not even for a second did I see akbar here.

I thought, after that" dhan ki baarish" , padmanand would take dhananand as title. Par lagta hai, since santaram varma is no longer part of this serial, logic ne bhi ekta ka saath chhod diya.

I'm reading this on my mobile, so I can't press like button, as you said. But I love your writing. Take care.
Akanksha
P.S. if chanakya is the one teaching Chandra about weapons or his physical training, why didn't he fight against that wild beast? 😕

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Posted: 8 years ago
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I am a bit wicked in my expectations from any historical fiction series. But at the same time I don't think my expectations from the story are unrealistic in terms of credibility or story telling. I am not that difficult to please as well. When I get something good or even half good, I appreciate it. It is only when it is bad that I rant and my strictures come out. TRPs are a truth of any series. They do well there, they remain. They fail there, they are chucked out without a second thought.

Moreover, what does it matter to the CVs or Ekta Kapoor what you or I think of the series. It is a business proposition to them. What clicks is what runs on the show as content. All of us are having our own fun based on CN. I don't know if ever you saw our Rant threads on CAS. Those CVs would have committed suicide if they saw those posts. But the fact remains that they didn't see those and we all had a lot of fun till they ended up getting closed.

The 1990s Chanakya's Taxilla set up was very good. This one hardly approaches that. I also understand the total Samarpan Bhav of Chandra. That way it would have made the story spicier. Neither am I writing the story nor am I going to get to write it. So I will have to make do with what is served up.

Why for that matter, SBP's entry scene could have been done like this. They wanted to show her as a kind, compassionate girl who listens to her heart over the brain and loves her father a lot. My scene would have gone on like this:

Nandini sneaks out of the palace keeping a few pillows on her bed and covering them with a blanket. She disguises herself and meets one of her friends who is waiting outside with a bullock cart filled with provisions, clothes, etc.

All this has been bought from her monthly personal allowance given by her father and his gifts. Her maid asks, "Why are you doing all this Rajkumari? Maharaj will be very angry if he comes to know. All these things are yours. Why should you give it to anybody?"

A slow panning over to show Nandini's face and her expressions. She speaks up,"I have more than what I would ever need, but there are others around me who do not have even one tenth of their needs satisfied. There is no necessity for anybody except you and me to know this, not even Pithaji. When you give charity or help, one hand should not know what the other hand gives."

The maid has an admiring look of hero worship on her face for Nandini and remarks, "How unlike your father you are!"

Nandini reprimands her telling, "Not a word on Pithaji if you want to continue remaining my friend. Perhaps Pithaji has his justification for doing whatever he does. Perhaps this is Rajneeti...perhaps I think from my heart and Pithaji thinks from his brain...perhaps I am too weak and soft-hearted...and this is how big empires and kingdoms are ruled...Nandini falls pensively silent midway through her speech. Her maid recognizing her ethical and moral dilemma brushes it off telling, "For me you will always be the best princess, the best daughter, and the best friend."

They reach a poorer hamlet in Patliputra and distribute everything they have bought and quietly return back to the palace before their absence is noticed by anyone.

In a scene like the above, is there anything that is going to be exclusively unappealing to a TRP driven audience as the introductory scene of the older version of the female lead. Does the Bakri Bacho and Tamarind thodna for father come with a TRP stamp on it? All it takes is some intelligent and innovative writing!

As regards Chanakya, he definitely ought to give the Climb Trees Vidya more importance than Santaram Vidya! You can cross rivers on boats or by swimming; but you can only climb trees to protect yourself from wild boars.

I know the quips in the last para and the Nand ki Putri and Bakri were a bit wicked! But when I am not serious and in a mood to make quips, you will see a lot of such stuff coming from me.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

<font face="Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif">You wicked girl, you would be a nightmare for the CVs if they ever made the mistake of reading your strictures on their output!😆

Well, everything that you have written here is logical and holds together. But you are not factoring in the TRPs angle. If they had spent 2 or 3 weeks with the young Chandra - who is not star material like Siddharth in Chakravartin Ashoka Samrat, or Faisal Khan in Maharana Pratap - the ratings would have never taken off. And these days, shows are being axed in as little as 3 months. They would not dare to do that to Ekta, but she wants this to be a big success, and she has pinned her hopes on Rajat. So he had to come in early.

But they could have easily done a much better job with the Takshashila Vidyalaya. If you can get at it, look at the 1990 Chanakya and compare the two set ups.Nor could I understand not just Chanakya but Rakshas as well combining the role of the guru and the fencing master!

This said, your rethink on the wild boar scene is very funny. You know, Chanakya might know how to use the Santaram vidya to walk on water, but he might not know how to climb a tree!😉

I do not think Chandra needed to be convinced re: Nand or indeed about anything else. He sees himself as having been bought by Chanakya, and thus as belonging to his guru, body and soul. So the question of his having an independent opinion or will does not arise. That is the rationale for his total samarpan right at the beginning. Chanakya too makes it clear to Chandra that he expects total obedience from his shishya. Later this kind of obligatory obedience gets a solid overlay of tremendous respect and loyalty towards Chanakya, which cements the earlier samarpan on to an unbreakable foundation. You can see it in tonight's episode, in the sequence in the rain, when Chanakya sends Chandra off to Magadh to spy out the lie of the land.

Your last para had me in stitches - it almost hurt!😆 - and the Nand ki Putri and Bakri entry bit was almost as funny. As I have noted somewhere here or on my last thread, Shweta needs to do something more than playing pita maharaj ki ladli or a giggly Asha Parekh clone for us to be able to judge her acting. But I think she will do well.

Shyamala Aunty


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Thank you so much, my dear Varala.

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: varala

Awesome writing 👏👏

Thanks for pm😊

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Firstly, I think you're teasing me, my dear Aunt, but I do not mind bearing another name just for you. 😉

Rajat did a fine job, Aunty. I see no traces of Jalal in CG for sure.

Oh I am surprised! The italicised lines are sooo good! 👏
And I think we do run on similar wavelengths there. Do you think we are descendants of some ancient vidya of the mastishk like the santharam vidya of Chanakya ? 😉

You explained it all about CG's obedience to his guru. I feel that even now CG has not yet grasped the enormity of his goals. He is following his guru's adesh because that is now the only purpose of his life. But, bharatbhumi survives on the might of deshbhakti and I am yet to see that light of patriotism in him. He is, as we agree, too cold and measured at this juncture to understand the righteous insanity of deshbhakti. It is there in Chanakya but yet to be instilled in the shishya.

Deshbhakti is a function of the heart, I'm afraid. I wonder how CVs will lead this mechanical warrior towards that enlightenment.

The baptism of the sword by blood...ah you just made the comparison even better! ⭐️

I am glad you like the river thing. I have my moments. Imagery and symbolism attract me a lot. 😆

Nandini was fine to me. SBP will do better in future. She is just starting off after a long time so I am not complaining. I will wait for your next post to discuss her character. Just gonna mention that I raise a toast to CVs for the characterisation of their leads. I like them both. And in my mind, they fit like a jigsaw puzzle so far.

Originally posted by: sashashyam

OK, my dear Avantika, let us begin with the sharp planes of CGM's face. They come as a sort of shock at the beginning; my mother, who loved Rajat as the young Jalal, could not recognise him for a minute. But that is not what I wanted to say here. I am going to reproduce my comments that were sought on the first photos of him in his royal regalia as CGM, and then on the first promo. The parallel between your take and mine will interest you.

I am not sure if this cold remoteness was what the director or Ekta wanted, but it seems to be what Rajat has brought to his CGM. And I do not think this will change any time soon. The edge of the ninja sword that he has become is too hard and too fine honed for that. I loved the comparison with the sword. Did you know that ninja swords, like the Indonesian kris, had to be baptised in human blood for them to be at their best?
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- It is a hard, tough, young face. Much harder and much tougher than Jalal. This one will never become a marshmallow like he did. There is no anger, but there is a grimness about the mouth and about the brows that are drawn together. The eyes are cold and commanding. He knows what he wants, does this young man, and he is determined to get it.

- I am not a kid like you gals to drool over Rajat's biceps and the swords swirling in sync. Though I must say that was very impressive, and Rajat must have trained hard to achieve that impeccable synchronisation, But then he is perfectionist.

If you still want my two pence, here it is . It was the look in his eyes towards the end. It is not in the least like Jalal's OTT rages or even his initial cold sneer, which was very stylised.

Here the eyes are still and initially unreadable. But there is a kind of rock hard confidence and self-assuredness. And when he holds up the chains, there is no hint of anger, but his profile displays unstated satisfaction at the pain inflicted on his bride in the aajeevan karawaas.

In short, he radiates absolute, controlled power, and icy vindictiveness. I think the key elements in his character are going to be this cold, dominating aura of power, and an unforgiving determination to punish his enemies. Very, very interesting.
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As for your last line in para 1, do see my response above to Shailaja, which is more elaborate than your one liner. You and I must be telepathic!

But it is your interpretation of the significance of the timing of the leap, just after the river gliding (spot on, that!) scene that fascinated me. It had not occurred to me at all, and I think it is very plausible. My felicitations!👏

Yes, Arpit's Nand is very convincing in the scenes of paternal affection for his daughter, it is Nandini who is too standard issue. She should improve once she gets out of this territory.

Shyamala Aunty

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Hey aunty 😳
Lovely rewiew and thank you for the PM
I really liked yesterdays episode
Father-daughter duo was in a way very sweet
You can actually see the whole transformation Nandinis fathers face takes whenever Nandini is near. It really is surprising that he can be a loving and doting father but equally cruel and ruthless to his people.
The running and goat saving scene was really out of place. It did not make sense but then,this is ekta maams show god forbid it ever be logical.
I actually liked chandras entry scene (rajats eyes spoke volume) and it may not have been very well executed but well i just liked it. I guess I'm at that age where if i like something I simply just like it :)
The precap is interesting and yep like u said no need for speculation there
I have a feeling that the sword scene will happen and then Nandini will say no for the marriage proposal or something. Then she will marry him to avenge her father
Anyways ignore my nonsensical blabbering
What do you think?

As always aunty it was a mind blowing analysis
Will wait for your analysis on today's episode (which i have not yet seen)


Emmery is the name of the character in my all time favourite novel (hence the name 'Emmery')
My name is iris 😆


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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: sashashyam

Thank you, Amina, par shubh shubh bolo bachchi! If Ashwini and Lavina turn up here, I would be strongly tempted to run away, Rajat or no Rajat!

Shyamala Aunty

😆now Aunty please dont do that,agreed ketan doesnt at al look like a student 😆 but i like golumolu bhabhi shes horrble ar comedy but the fact her husband like her who she is ,and that i like
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Posted: 8 years ago
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No, my dear Ankita, I was not teasing you. I am sorry for this repeat blooper, but I am just tired and have had a bad headache all day, and so I am not proofreading my posts properly. If not, I would have spotted it and corrected it. I am usually good with names, but there seems to be some bug in my memory about that dratted Avantika.😳

The part that I have italicised is very good. I loved your the righteous insanity of deshbhakti, for hat is exactly what it is. You do have your moments, kid!👏

Shyamala Aunty

Originally posted by: BrienneOfTarth

Firstly, I think you're teasing me, my dear Aunt, but I do not mind bearing another name just for you. 😉

Rajat did a fine job, Aunty. I see no traces of Jalal in CG for sure.

Oh I am surprised! The italicised lines are sooo good! 👏
And I think we do run on similar wavelengths there. Do you think we are descendants of some ancient vidya of the mastishk like the santharam vidya of Chanakya ? 😉

You explained it all about CG's obedience to his guru. I feel that even now CG has not yet grasped the enormity of his goals. He is following his guru's adesh because that is now the only purpose of his life. But, bharatbhumi survives on the might of deshbhakti and I am yet to see that light of patriotism in him. He is, as we agree, too cold and measured at this juncture to understand the righteous insanity of deshbhakti. It is there in Chanakya but yet to be instilled in the shishya.

Deshbhakti is a function of the heart, I'm afraid. I wonder how CVs will lead this mechanical warrior towards that enlightenment.

The baptism of the sword by blood...ah you just made the comparison even better! ⭐️

I am glad you like the river thing. I have my moments. Imagery and symbolism attract me a lot. 😆

Nandini was fine to me. SBP will do better in future. She is just starting off after a long time so I am not complaining. I will wait for your next post to discuss her character. Just gonna mention that I raise a toast to CVs for the characterisation of their leads. I like them both. And in my mind, they fit like a jigsaw puzzle so far. Tomorrow is going to be interesting in this context.

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Hello Shyamala Aunty.

Its Kesha here.

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