End of Siddharth- the loser? Is he really a loser?

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Dilbole_ShiOmRu

@Dilbole_ShiOmRu

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Posted: 14 years ago

#21

I agree jaan but this should had happened before. Actually the thing is except dadaji and Vandana (though understand can never do anything) no one understand the concept of love. leave CC and JW they wanted to ruin his life. YD too though loved him thought everything will be fine after marriege. If we could hope from any person that was Viren as what he said in two episode he really know the concept of love and marriage but for Viren too it was dadaji wish to see Sid marry Divya and I don't know exact reasons why he didn't supported Sid as his character is still a mystery. Ya we predict he will be good or maybe trying to considate ourself that he will be good but exact equation is still unknown.

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cherrypansy

@cherrypansy

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Posted: 14 years ago

#22

I think among people who failed to see Sid's pain should be his own ...which includes his mum and grand mum. But he didn't listen to his mum also about the reality of Nivi's father...so can we blame his mum?

On the contrary....I would agree that Divya's love is not unconditional(.to be realistic no relationship is unconditional)...but she can be manipulated easily. If she challanged to make things right with Sid...it was not a challange to SId but to herself...as she is the one who will take all initaitives and do all the hard work....so marriage is not path of roses even for Divya...

As far Sid is concerned he became the victim of his own weaknesses, i.e. inability to take decisions at right time and impulsive nature...as he always reacts at wrong time. If for once he had listened to his mother about Keshav's real nature and tried to look in the Jwahar matter after knowing the truth ........may be he had been successful and known at least some reality behind his marriage.

Secondly, people will not understand you rather you have to make them clear about your own wishes...he failed so others took him for granted....

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Dilbole_ShiOmRu

@Dilbole_ShiOmRu

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Posted: 14 years ago

#23

Bani if you really read my earlier post I never wanted Sid to marry Divya as for me both are weak and they need time to look over their weekness then with time if they think they are compatible then only they should marry but I never wanted marriege to broken on the day of wedding when Divya is standing there. I wanted Sid to take the oppurtunity when Divya asked him to tell her yes I don't love you and I don't want this wedding soon as No one could show him path and he himself couldnot take the stand. But now as they are married than he have to move on.

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Suchi-

@Suchi-

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Posted: 14 years ago

#24

actually bani we are not misunderstanding,
I know that you agree that sid has mistakes and you agree with his faults ..

But you want to show taht what ever happened is because of nivi's fault too.. and thats where I differ and this is why most of the time our opinions have clashed so far and so did many others.

because I do not believe nivi is at fault. If you think she forced sid and divya into marriage, I believe that it was Sid who forced nivi to force him and divya into marriage.

you believe that NIvi should leave sid alone and live his own life

I say the opposite, I say sid should really leave her alone and live her own life. If only he would have done that, none of this would have happened
and as i have stated from day one, that tehir love was not really love. you disagreed with me and then talked about the pheras (which were incomplete ) they took and insisted taht they were in love and now you yourselves agree that they could not have been in love.

Which is what I was saying from the first day.

So now, why should we worry about sid and nivi's infatuation and some fantasy they wanted to fulfill of getting together by going around the fire and making those promises to which sid and yes sid did nto stand by?
... I don't know..

and LIke I said we cannot remain neutral. I take and will take nivi's side. you which is apparent from your posts are taking sids side, and that is fine.

Divya loves sid and she wanted to marry him. so what ever issues come she iwll be taking care of it her selves and yes she cannot blame sid and I do not think she will either, if not she would not have married him.

And I do not believe that sid needs to commit suicide.. killing oneself is a sign of cowardice. And sid well he is not a coward (well I dont know really because he wanted to once kill himself just to hear nivi say i love you but I do hope he has grown up )

I do not want sid to be a coward. I want him to give rights to every relationship he has,.. his family , his wife and his friends which include nivi. And yes they can go back to being friends.

Honestly I think they always were only friends and just misunderstood the gestures. Because we can be attracted to our friends specially if we know each other really well and understand each other but that does not mean that we are in love. We might mistake it to be love because there is a thin line between friendship and love, and it can be misunderstood. So that is what happned here..
as sid rightfully said to his mother that he cannot see anyone harm his putul as he is very possessive about her. He took that to mean as love and same with nivi.

Now its over.. and time to move on.

And again.. if we stop the blame game it would be better but if it were to happen I stand by Nivi and do put the blame if not entirely 90% on Sid.

Until he comes out of Self pity, he will not only ruin his life but effect all the lives of the people around him..

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kavianand

@kavianand

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Posted: 14 years ago

#25

Om shanthi,

I have sincerely felt very disturbed at the turn of events in this serial and the mockery of relationships!

Marriage is such a sacred institution atleast for us indians! the modern genration is already losing their values and morals! to top it all if the serial makers and responsible personalities likeRSji can depict such storyline and show such shocking changes in the relationships which for me is totally disgusting!what kind of message are they trying to give in the name of love,religion and faith???

I too feel they have literally killed thel character of Sid which we could relate to coz it was so much close to reality!

It is mentally very distubing to see this character SID not only being forced into amarriage to awoman he does not even look at but also endure to see the woman whom he loved whole heartedly right in front of his eyes romancing the younger bro!!At least that is what will eventually happen!

Sid is as good as dead in CCBM now which will show him as compromising and emotionally blackmailed into accepting Divya who will enjoy the wifely status solely becoz of her self centerdness and her moms manipulation!

How much of unfairness can a viewer take??

Of course Sid is not aloser! He is avery normal humanbeing who made mistakes and tried to correct them ! he has his limitations like any of us! the condition in his house And the plight of his family members who he believes are his well wishers have made him behave in this manner!

Once he comes to know the truth about all the manipulations that were done just to separate him frm his love,It will surely be the greatest tragedy of his life!!

My heart really goes out to him coz i can literally feel the pain he is going thru! may be the story line will be unnaturally changed and make the couples happy and gay after sometime but definitely doesnt make sense to me!

they have shown such intensity of love just to make amockery of it later!!

It is avery dumb story line now! what had started out as avery relatable and realistic story is becoming really disgusting and also stupid!

So if we have any sense in us we should quit analyzing this show !!

And also watching becoz its going to get even more unrealistic!

So an intelligent and sensible woman like u should not be even commenting on this serial!It is not worthy of it at all!

They have not followed any ethics nor values and are not at all consistent as u can see how haphazardly they are building up the story!

Thanks alot for your insight! I sincerely hope that real life Sids are not termed as losers coz we find them evrywhere !! In our fathers brothers friends etc who are not able to do justice to all the relation ships but still are not condemned for it or slaughtered for it!!

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Bani

@Omshanti1111

Inactive

Posted: 14 years ago

#26

Originally posted by: kavianand
Om shanthi,
I have sincerely felt very disturbed at the turn of events in this serial and the mockery of relationships!

Marriage is such a sacred institution atleast for us indians! the modern genration is already losing their values and morals! to top it all if the serial makers and responsible personalities likeRSji can depict such storyline and show such shocking changes in the relationships which for me is totally disgusting!what kind of message are they trying to give in the name of love,religion and faith???

I too feel they have literally killed thel character of Sid which we could relate to coz it was so much close to reality!

It is mentally very distubing to see this character SID not only being forced into amarriage to awoman he does not even look at but also endure to see the woman whom he loved whole heartedly right in front of his eyes romancing the younger bro!!At least that is what will eventually happen!

Sid is as good as dead in CCBM now which will show him as compromising and emotionally blackmailed into accepting Divya who will enjoy the wifely status solely becoz of her self centerdness and her moms manipulation!

How much of unfairness can a viewer take??

Of course Sid is not aloser! He is avery normal humanbeing who made mistakes and tried to correct them ! he has his limitations like any of us! the condition in his house And the plight of his family members who he believes are his well wishers have made him behave in this manner!

Once he comes to know the truth about all the manipulations that were done just to separate him frm his love,It will surely be the greatest tragedy of his life!!

My heart really goes out to him coz i can literally feel the pain he is going thru! may be the story line will be unnaturally changed and make the couples happy and gay after sometime but definitely doesnt make sense to me!

they have shown such intensity of love just to make amockery of it later!!

It is avery dumb story line now! what had started out as avery relatable and realistic story is becoming really disgusting and also stupid!

So if we have any sense in us we should quit analyzing this show !!

And also watching becoz its going to get even more unrealistic!

So an intelligent and sensible woman like u should not be even commenting on this serial!It is not worthy of it at all!

They have not followed any ethics nor values and are not at all consistent as u can see how haphazardly they are building up the story!

Thanks alot for your insight! I sincerely hope that real life Sids are not termed as losers coz we find them evrywhere !! In our fathers brothers friends etc who are not able to do justice to all the relation ships but still are not condemned for it or slaughtered for it!!

I am not unhappy with Nivedita -Viren;s marriage...but I felt that things could have been tackled in a much better way, even ultimately track being led to Nivedita-Viren's marriage. There were lots of better ways to show this. Right now, I feel as a neutral viewer, that there were lot of potential characters which are being sabotaged in terms of morality and values and these only neutral viewers can understand.
The younger generation already has a different feel about "women power", women's power to me is not aggression or challenge or vengeance or manipulation, but self-strength. I am really shocked at how this track has been dealt and in the near future, how Divya's threats and Hemlata's manipulation will be given the name of "unconditonal love" and "goodness" eventually... its really very disturbing to the mind.

May be my values are different, thats the reason I am trying to dwell into it, feeling that how a responsible showmaker like Rajan Shahi who has given us such beautiful concepts in Bidaai and Yeh Rishtey...is eventually making a mockery of human ethics and values, Gods and Goddesses, by giving the name of "unconditional love" to Divya's self-centredness and how they are hell bent to prove that a greedy woman like Hemlata's prayers are answered so well. How a person's one mistake of not supporting his love, just for the sake of his family, is reducing that person to lead a life and accept all these greedy and self-centred people...its really very disturbing mentally...

not at all expected from Rajan Shahi...but, I think, if anyone has seen the end of Bidaai with Sakshi, an evil character being labelled as saint...then it is expected that Hemlata and Divya will be labelled as saints in this show also...

may be, people like you and me, and our concepts are just misfits in this day's society...For me, its very disturbing to see the marriage of Sid with Divya, which is a sure proof of "goodness ran over or throttled by evils"

Edited by Omshanti1111 - 14 years ago

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Bani

@Omshanti1111

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Posted: 14 years ago

#27

Originally posted by: piyualka
I think among people who failed to see Sid's pain should be his own ...which includes his mum and grand mum. But he didn't listen to his mum also about the reality of Nivi's father...so can we blame his mum?

On the contrary....I would agree that Divya's love is not unconditional(.to be realistic no relationship is unconditional)...but she can be manipulated easily. If she challanged to make things right with Sid...it was not a challange to SId but to herself...as she is the one who will take all initaitives and do all the hard work....so marriage is not path of roses even for Divya...

As far Sid is concerned he became the victim of his own weaknesses, i.e. inability to take decisions at right time and impulsive nature...as he always reacts at wrong time. If for once he had listened to his mother about Keshav's real nature and tried to look in the Jwahar matter after knowing the truth ........may be he had been successful and known at least some reality behind his marriage.

Secondly, people will not understand you rather you have to make them clear about your own wishes...he failed so others took him for granted....

Sid's mom never speaks at the right time, may be Sid has imbibed this habit from his mom. But just pause and think, when Sid came to know about his father's death, the news came from his grandmom, who is his father's mother...can a person really believe that a lady can speak false about his own son's death?...Sid's confusion can be understood here also, his main issue was he should not have seen silently the assult of Keshav physically...but at the same time, I'ld like to point out that apart from Sid, all the other members of the Sood family were equally responsible. So if Sid should be made to bear punishment, why others are forgiven. I completely agree he Sid has done enough damage to spoil his love life, but I cannot come to terms that Divya and Hemlata being projected as bearers of "unconditional love", especially since I can feel that Divya and Hemlata's main intention was to somehow get Sid married to Divya, so that one day or the other, Sid has to accept Divya...there is no other way for Sid...even if he falls in love with another girl, the girl's choice is already made and that it is decided that since he is married to Divya socially, he has to love Divya only...

"Greed and selfcentredness win in their game and its also shown that Hemlata's prayers to Matarani is answered"...very very bad example cited by Rajan Shahi...its not at all expected from him...

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kavianand

@kavianand

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Posted: 14 years ago

#28

Originally posted by: Omshanti1111

Sid's mom never speaks at the right time, may be Sid has imbibed this habit from his mom. But just pause and think, when Sid came to know about his father's death, the news came from his grandmom, who is his father's mother...can a person really believe that a lady can speak false about his own son's death?...Sid's confusion can be understood here also, his main issue was he should not have seen silently the assult of Keshav physically...but at the same time, I'ld like to point out that apart from Sid, all the other members of the Sood family were equally responsible. So if Sid should be made to bear punishment, why others are forgiven. I completely agree he Sid has done enough damage to spoil his love life, but I cannot come to terms that Divya and Hemlata being projected as bearers of "unconditional love", especially since I can feel that Divya and Hemlata's main intention was to somehow get Sid married to Divya, so that one day or the other, Sid has to accept Divya...there is no other way for Sid...even if he falls in love with another girl, the girl's choice is already made and that it is decided that since he is married to Divya socially, he has to love Divya only...

"Greed and selfcentredness win in their game and its also shown that Hemlata's prayers to Matarani is answered"...very very bad example cited by Rajan Shahi...its not at all expected from him...

From the beginning of the show they have been showing all these manipulations and evil deeds done be these 2 women chanchal and hemlatha.

And though Siddharth has not got the first hand experince of it,Niveditha has had to bear it the most! She has beem subjected to mental tortures of the worst kind by both these women!

Then they have shown her not even having an ounce of regret in helping these women get what they have wanted!

She doesnt even mind becoming chanchals bahu and call her maaji later on in her life, give birth to J and C s grandchildren😆

And Sid has been reduced to this level just becoz he couldnt stand up for this girl! She is not even worth it!!

sometimes i truly feel Divya has more character in her! She is atleast not fickle minded about her love and so is Sid! that way they will be able to relate to each other much better!😃

I just want Hemlatha to really regret wht she has done and suffer atleast abit for making so many lives miserable!!

And Vandanas character has been changed to suit the storyline! She knows that dadaji is not totally happy with this marriage and trying to say something but she ignores it! very unlike her character!

So what the CTs have done is conveniently changed the characters behaviour inconsistenly to just suit this new storyline which has been written in this forum by other members!!😆Mybe the Cts though why not use this?? and just changed the storyline overnight! looks like that!!😆

All this has been done recently .I am sure the original track couldnt have been this unreasonable!😆

Edited by kavianand - 14 years ago

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cherrypansy

@cherrypansy

Rocker

Posted: 14 years ago

#29

@ kavianand.........And Sid has been reduced to this level just becoz he couldnt stand up for this girl! She is not even worth it!!

It was not Nivi who was marrying anyone else rather Sid was marrying another girl in front of Nivi....secondly Nivi had to marry Viren because of Sid' s fickleminded nature..

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Anamika

@AnamikaSJain

Dazzler

Posted: 14 years ago

#30

You people are misunderstanding...I am never saying Sid is faultless, rather I am saying he made mistake by not supporting Nivedita and he got his punishment for that. But I wanted to see was let Sid face the truth that he loses his love for not supporting her, but at least give him an option to lead his life on his own. Was there noone who could read his pain? I think everyone saw that he was unhappy about the marriage, but noone wanted to stop this marriage and give him sometime. Everyone knew he was marrying for dadasaheb's sake, but no one could gather courage and say that "dadasaheb's happiness is his happiness, if he is not happy, Dadasaheb will understand". Divya inspite of seeing Sid's pain and condition never could do anything to lessen his pain, rather thre a challenge to Sid that she will make him love her after marriage. Is this "unconditional love"?

Might be, on his own only, after a year, he would have married Divya or any other girl. But at least it would not have been an already decided stuff for him. Now that he has married Divya, that means, he has to accept Divya somehow or the other...

as per your suggestion, Siddharth has to adjust and accept Divya anyhow? I dont feel so though....Divya's case is different, she knows very well that Sid did not love her and I am happy that when she married him, she was fully aware of Sid's feeling towards her...thus she can never blame Siddharth if he fails to love her. But she will blame Siddharth, soon and create a mental pressure to accept her...

I still do not understand why people are still supporting Siddharth when all he has done is pay the price for his own mistakes. If he lost the girl he loved, that is his mistake. If he is trapped into a loveless marriage, that is his mistake. If he could not convince his family or Divya against the marriage, that is his mistake. Why blame Divya for everything when her only mistake is that she is madly in love with Siddharth? If you remember she tried to speak to him several times and tried to dig into why he is unhappy and worried. But as always like a coward Siddharth preferred to remain silent and did not open up. He could have at least told her the truth that he is in love with someone else and that the marriage is only for Dadaji's sake and thereby give an option for her to opt out. He could have told Dadiji that he is in love with Nivedita and clear the misunderstandings regarding Keshav so that Nivedita would have been accepted as the Sood Household Bahu (Dadaji can hear and Yashodhara could have talked to him)... but Siddharth did not. He kept on with his painful expressions and did nothing to solve the problems. He even wanted to dump Divya on the wedding day without even having the decency to inform her first. Talking of Divya, she was a coward when she tried to attempt suicide, but when someone is madly in love it is quite difficult to handle rejection. But after that I think Divya did what any Indian girl would do. If a marriage breaks after engagement it brings bad name to the girl and her family even if it is not the girl's fault. Divya sticked on to the marriage fixed by her parents (and probably because that is Dadaji's wish too and Siddharth's decision) and placed her trust on the power of love (fully knowing that her love may or may not be reciprocated she took the risk). She decided to marry Siddharth on the hope that one day she would be able to conquer him with her love. And moreover, not everyone marries out of love. In majority of Indian Marriages love start after marriage. I do not see what Divya did wrong here.

If you ask me, what Siddharth had for Nivedita was not love, at least in the true sense. If the relationship between them has changed, that is his own fault. Now that there is no point crying over split milk Siddharth should move on with his life. As his Brothers wife, it is also his duty to protect or safeguard Nivedita against the troubles she may have to face in his family not only because of his changed relationship but also because she ended up being Viren's bride because of him. It is also his responsibility to clear the Sharma's bad name so that she does not get mistreated.

Edited by Anamika1570 - 14 years ago

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