Should spy verse be made after Tiger 3 underperformance? - Page 17

Originally posted by: CrimeMasterToto

You kinda did leave it out 😆 because you added it in all your other screenshots

IMDb scores settle down after a month or so once the site weeds out the obviously fake reviews. This will also go down after the manipulated reviews are removed

There really is no set source for audience reviews for Bollywood movies and even Hollywood ones. The fandoms everywhere go crazy when a movie releases and give extreme biased scores either to bring the score up or pull the movie down.

So the only metric left for judging audience acceptance of a movie in an objective manner is Box office.

Originally posted by: CrimeMasterToto

Anyways the above ratings are very easily manipulated by the users. You will even see reviews of unreleased movies often showing up with extreme reviews of 5 stars and 1 star

Worse than IMDb

All in all I loved Tiger 3 I’m happy genuinely seeking the movie so I’m going to throw a success party on my side because as he says as long as his audience his supporters happy he’s happy he even through a success party 🎉 that means the production house is happy too 🎉🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳🥳

And it’s been 7 years since I have been excited on his movie and that’s all that matters to me my happiness and I will love love the Tiger series always love love love love it 🎉😍 😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍😍🎉

It's quite boring to read all this boi-discussion and acceptance writing about other movies than the 5 Spy-Universe ones.

My hope is that the Spy-Universe is continued but that YRF watches out for the criticism from audience to learn some things that should be made better.

As for Tiger 3, I repeat that's just 6 days (the 7th today) and that it would be ridiculous to judge the movie's collection in comparison to Pathaan's one. It is wrong in so many ways (but I won't rehash the reasons which I already stated more than once).

The Spy-Universe has much more potential and creative possibilities than a franchise, imo.

Originally posted by: Clochette

It's quite boring to read all this boi-discussion and acceptance writing about other movies than the 5 Spy-Universe ones.

Interesting enough for you to comment on it 🙄

Ha ha... you may have a point...I read through your conversation as I - generally - like to read what you both write (but I didn't like the subject of your conversation - in this thread)

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SHNNvR5ccv0&pp=ygUIdGlnZXIgMyA%3D

Originally posted by: CrimeMasterToto

Sure, maybe. My point was more on people calling Dhoom series a failure and ruined.

You must remember though. Alot of the buzz for Pathaan was purely because of SRK and his long hiatus from the movies. It was the comeback movie of the year. There is no way T3 was going to match that craze.

There are both upsides and downsides to a third installment in a franchise. While it will have an existing set of fanbase from the first two movies, it will also have its existing set of non-fans who did not like the first two movies and would never step out to watch. So unless the content is fresh and offers something new, expecting the third installment to have a new set of fans going crazy for it is often not possible.

I also disagree with the idea that just because my sequels earned lesser money, the universe should be shelved. Iron man 2 earned less than IM1. Avengers 2 earned less than Avengers 1. Antman 2 was less than Antman 1. MCU se bada kya hi universe hoga which went through even though they put out some utterly mediocre movies in between such as IM3, Thor 2, etc.

The craze for a proper crossover between 2 or 3 spies will be at a different level, if it ever happens. These extended cameos will eventually stop working as well.

MCU is not depepndent on the star power of 2-3 actors, but the focus is mainly on character stories, hence you will not see a Robert D Junior or Holland starrer other movies outside MCU making billions of money, the MCU is also not an idea made from the overnight success of 2-3 movies, it has a history which I guess we all know. To compare YRF spy verse or dhoom series, the better comparison is a Mission Impossible series or a Fast and furious series, where the movie businesses solely depended on the stars of the movies followed by the quality, the stars or the makers are in constant pressure to churn out a better movie than the prequel, hence these action franchises are now more than a billion dollar assets, now let us come back to Dhoom series, yes money wise D3 did earn the most, but is there any curiosity or desire left in the audience for a Dhoom 4, unless they revive it in a better way? Aamir Khan brought the collections, but the movie itself sucked being a shameless copy of a Nolan movie, where the series was supposed to be about cool duded who are criminals isnt it?

Now Spy verse is bigger tha Dhoom series, given SRK, Salman and Hrithik lead the series, so the amount of money they are putting in the individual movies, if they put 50 percent of creativity, then maybe Tiger 3 would not underperform. YRF botched a movied which had Salman, Katrina, Emraan Hashmi and cameos from SRK and HR too, if that is not their responsiblity then I do not know how we justify this? I agree Pathan would not be a huge success had SRK not making a come back, so technically Pathaan's success did not do any good to it's follower Tiger 3, that means audience still do not care about the universe.

YRF should not scrap the idea, since War 2 is happening, the movie's success will tell what happens next, but I think to make a universe with such huge star factor, they did a good strategy instead of just giving uncapable directors or writers these movies and also the actors should see themselves and put effort, sleep walking in a movie like this big means the leads do not care much, which is the case of Salman in most of his movies these days.

Originally posted by: MiVida_Messi

MCU is not depepndent on the star power of 2-3 actors, but the focus is mainly on character stories, hence you will not see a Robert D Junior or Holland starrer other movies outside MCU making billions of money, the MCU is also not an idea made from the overnight success of 2-3 movies, it has a history which I guess we all know. To compare YRF spy verse or dhoom series, the better comparison is a Mission Impossible series or a Fast and furious series, where the movie businesses solely depended on the stars of the movies followed by the quality, the stars or the makers are in constant pressure to churn out a better movie than the prequel, hence these action franchises are now more than a billion dollar assets, now let us come back to Dhoom series, yes money wise D3 did earn the most, but is there any curiosity or desire left in the audience for a Dhoom 4, unless they revive it in a better way? Aamir Khan brought the collections, but the movie itself sucked being a shameless copy of a Nolan movie, where the series was supposed to be about cool duded who are criminals isnt it?

Now Spy verse is bigger tha Dhoom series, given SRK, Salman and Hrithik lead the series, so the amount of money they are putting in the individual movies, if they put 50 percent of creativity, then maybe Tiger 3 would not underperform. YRF botched a movied which had Salman, Katrina, Emraan Hashmi and cameos from SRK and HR too, if that is not their responsiblity then I do not know how we justify this? I agree Pathan would not be a huge success had SRK not making a come back, so technically Pathaan's success did not do any good to it's follower Tiger 3, that means audience still do not care about the universe.

YRF should not scrap the idea, since War 2 is happening, the movie's success will tell what happens next, but I think to make a universe with such huge star factor, they did a good strategy instead of just giving uncapable directors or writers these movies and also the actors should see themselves and put effort, sleep walking in a movie like this big means the leads do not care much, which is the case of Salman in most of his movies these days.

Okay fair enough. I get your point on MCU not being a fair comparison here. Makes sense to me

And I totally agree with your last para. They need to be cautious about their universe. I think the 500cr club is the new saturation point for a few years now. I really don't see a movie crossing 600-700 cr limit even with HR, SRK, Salman, Kat, Deepika in it unless they have a really solid story and script to back it up. So it becomes a matter of how much money are they going to throw into the movies budget which would be sustainable - they need to invest in better writers and directors

The only thing I find exciting would be the versus thing. Tiger stays rogue and wants to stay out of the system. While Pathaan is clearly working within the realm of the government by heading the jockr unit. Thoda idelogical clash hona chahiye with some real stakes to actually get the audience really invested. Kitni baar desh ko bachayenge?

Originally posted by: CrimeMasterToto

Okay fair enough. I get your point on MCU not being a fair comparison here. Makes sense to me

And I totally agree with your last para. They need to be cautious about their universe. I think the 500cr club is the new saturation point for a few years now. I really don't see a movie crossing 600-700 cr limit even with HR, SRK, Salman, Kat, Deepika in it unless they have a really solid story and script to back it up. So it becomes a matter of how much money are they going to throw into the movies budget which would be sustainable - they need to invest in better writers and directors

The only thing I find exciting would be the versus thing. Tiger stays rogue and wants to stay out of the system. While Pathaan is clearly working within the realm of the government by heading the jockr unit. Thoda idelogical clash hona chahiye with some real stakes to actually get the audience really invested. Kitni baar desh ko bachayenge?

I agree, 500 crore is not the easy number and shouldn’t be a breaking point, also as long as the film is having profit that’s fine, but they should live up to the hype and the aura of being a universe, as someone said YRF couldn’t do better than silly Karan Arjun jokes with SRK salman while they’re saving their desh, which is obviously nothing new for our eyes.

Even Jim and Kabir went rogue so I’m wondering except Pathan kissiko unke agency pe bharosa bhi nahi hai, itna bhangar hai kya India ka raw agency? Nahi tiger, not kabir not even Jim kisiko umeed nahi innse, Lmao 😂