The Kashmir Files Team Meets PM Modi - Page 12

Originally posted by: M.Wheeler

There is no such scene in mahabharat at all . It's quite ironic that you start your sentence about how people are talking about the things they are unaware yet you quoted a completely fictional account about people you have absolutely no idea about. It was Panchali actually who differentiates between justice and revenge something Yudhishthira fails to understand. It was Krishna who wanted to kill karakas for what they did to Draupadi

I suggest you take some time to try and read the actual text instead of blindly believing whatever tv shows feed you

Ironic? I did not say people are talking about things they are unaware of. I said it is just sad people don't know history of Pandits till movie came. That was not to target people but target they system where such important history is missing.

Now about Mahabhrata, I think before jumping about conclusion that I have not read text, you should first ask me about it. As I said in previous post, I read at least ten versions of Mahabharta and still read whenever I come across new one. It is something very dear to me. And I am of opinion that there are different perspective and different versions. I dont compleltly ignore tv version. Every author has their own way of story telling and perspective which I like to analyze. With time, in every era mythology needs to be retold and thats why keeps it more relevant. Whatever you think about tv, I enjoyed both BR chopra nd recent SP's veriosn and that is my opinion.

Originally posted by: catchmeifucan

Lol. the discussion suddenly took a different turn. Anyways, don’t want to take part in this detour. May be some other thread some other time!

No absolutely not. You were brave enough to jump in so finish it. I see you are very angry that i said that your information is based on a tv show so prove it it's not. Post citation

Originally posted by: M.Wheeler

Nobody. Absolutely nobody here cares about all those innocent Kashmiri pandits who were driven out of their home, raped, slaughtered. Sab apna Ullo seedha karne main lage h .

Modi gang vs anti- Modi gang. Bas. Pathetic

Nothing new

you guys need prove? wait i will give you . here what krishna thinks about kaurvaka issue -

Krishna spoke to her in that assembly of warriors, “O beautifulone! The wives of those who have angered you will weep like this. Theywill see the dead bodies lying on the ground, bereft of life. Their bodieswill be covered with Bibhatsu’s arrows and will be drenched with blood.Do not sorrow. I will do whatever the Pandavas can do. I will make youa promise. You will be the queen of kings. The heavens may fall, theHimalayas may be rent asunder, the earth may splinter and the oceanmay dry up. O Krishna! But my words will not be falsified.”

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

KMG version, BORI CE do not have the scene. Nor does Southern recension

Rajagopalachari is not a version. It's a retelling.

PoI, Mrityunjaya, Yuganta especially are not versions at all. They are more or less modern authors writing from imagination. To ascribe dialogue made up by Chitra Banerjee in rhe 1980s to real people who lived in Iron Age is rather weird.

Heck, it's like me writing a scene for the characters and claiming it's also valid.

I told you which one has the scene I described. It is SP's version, you can check that. Why are you asking same thing again and again?. When I said versions, I just pointed out different authors and I think you are getting too much into semantics here which is totally irrelavant. The core of my post was to say we should seek for justice and not revenge. For that I used a reference from mythology (yes tv version) and you are making it completely about that now and lost the essence of the post.

MB is mythology for me not history of real people. And I acept all versions whoever writes it and enjoy reading it.

Originally posted by: catchmeifucan

Are you blind or lost your mind? Weren’t you the one who was whining about how the topic about KPs got deviated into something else? Now you are denying that the thread took a different turn into MB which is totally unrelated to the actual topic of the thread and encouraging/provoking more people to do it? Hypocrisy or what?

PS: I hope you got your reply loud and clear in your language!

firstly there is no need to get personal.

why? you did not have any problem jumping into the same conversation with your imaginary facts? But now you are backtracking because you have nothing to prove.

How easy it is for you people to blame the woman because how dare she stand up for herself. All these men who led to the war yudi, Karna they are great but Draupadi was the b*tch

1000s of years and nothing has changed we still blame the woman

My language or yours?

Originally posted by: Realitycheque

This is great! I am touched by suppprt for KPs and i feel your pain for them but take it easy. They will be fine.

just sod off I did not bring in MB. But one thing I would absolutely not tolerate is misogyny

I have absolutely nothing against either of you but two things I can't tolerate is misogyny and victim shaming. I am not sure you realize it or not but you were doing just that. I realize I might have gone too far but I will stick to my point that if either of you tries and read an authentic MB text you would know that at no point Krishna reprimands Draupadi because there is nothing to reprimand her about. It was always the other way around

Originally posted by: kankabhor

I told you which one has the scene I described. It is SP's version, you can check that. Why are you asking same thing again and again?. When I said versions, I just pointed out different authors and I think you are getting too much into semantics here which is totally irrelavant. The core of my post was to say we should seek for justice and not revenge. For that I used a reference from mythology (yes tv version) and you are making it completely about that now and lost the essence of the post.

MB is mythology for me not history of real people. And I acept all versions whoever writes it and enjoy reading it.

SP Mahabharata is not a version. It's a TV show with a great deal of fiction thrown in.

And how is it semantics to say some of the books you mentioned are fiction? Modern fiction is diff from actual versions.

In the actual versions, Panchali is the one who tells Krishna what needs to be done. He goes a little hyperbolic in his response and promises genocide. Nowhere does he reprimand her. On the other hand, she reprimands him twice in public in most versions.

Sukthankar has a nice little prologmena if you're interested in that sort of thing.

Drapaudi on forgiveness and justice in conversation with yudhishtra

Listen now, O son of Virochana, to the demerits of those that are never forgiving! The man of wrath who, surrounded by darkness, always inflicteth, by help of his own energy, various kinds of punishment on persons whether they deserve them or not, is necessarily separated from his friends in consequence of that energy of his. Such a man is hated by both relatives and strangers. Such a man, because he insulteth others, suffereth loss of wealth and reapeth disregard and sorrow and hatred and confusion and enemies. The man of wrath, in consequence of his ire, inflicteth punishments on men and obtaineth (in return) harsh words. He is divested of his prosperity soon and even of life, not to say, of friends and relatives. He that putteth forth his might both upon his benefactor and his foe, is an object of alarm to the world, like a snake that hath taken shelter in a house, to the inmates thereof. What prosperity can he have who is an object of alarm to the world? People always do him an injury when they find a hole. Therefore, never exhibit might in excess nor forgiveness on all occasions. One should put forth his might and show his forgiveness on proper occasions. He that becometh forgiving at the proper time and harsh and mighty also at the proper time, obtaineth happiness both in this world and the other.

https://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m03/m03028.htm

I shall now indicate the occasions in detail of forgiveness, as laid down by the learned, and which should ever be observed by all. Hearken unto me as I speak! He that hath done thee a service, even if he is guilty of a grave wrong unto thee, recollecting his former service, shouldst thou forgive that offender. Those also that have become offenders from ignorance and folly should be forgiven for learning and wisdom are not always easily attainable by man. They that having offended thee knowingly, plead ignorance should be punished, even if their offences be trivial. Such crooked men should never be pardoned. The first offence of every creature should be forgiven. The second offence, however, should be punished, even if it be trivial. If, however, a person commiteth an offence unwillingly, it hath been said that examining his plea well by a judicious enquiry, he should be pardoned. Humility may vanquish might, humility may vanquish weakness. There is nothing that humility may not accomplish. Therefore, humility is truly fiercer (than it seemeth)! One should act with reference to place and time, taking note of his own might or weakness. Nothing can succeed that hath been undertaken without reference to place and time. Therefore, do thou ever wait for place and time! Sometimes offenders should be forgiven from fear of the people. These have been declared to be times of forgiveness. And it hath been said that on occasions besides these, might should be put forth against transgressors.' "Draupadi continued, 'I, therefore, regard, O king, that the time hath come for thee to put forth thy might! Unto those Kurus the covetous sons of Dhritarashtra who injure us always, the present is not the time for forgiveness! It behoveth thee to put forth thy might. The humble and forgiving person is disregarded; while those that are fierce persecute others. He, indeed, is a king who hath recourse to both, each according to its time!'