Yami on lack of media acknowledgement - Page 13

Originally posted by: AwaamKiJaan

DP and Mads came before Alia.

Yami came from Alia's generation. Why no other actress except Shraddha who debuted with Alia survive? Not just outsiders but star-kids as well.

Is Alia so great or were others not good enough?

Your rant is about outsider vs insider. I'm pointing out it doesn't apply here. Deepika and Madhuri are outsiders, a fact conveniently forgotten. If Yami can't reach their heights, it's because of a poor combo of bad luck and not good enough work and poor tactics.

Originally posted by: AwaamKiJaan

Salman being a better actor than Nawaz is not a valid opinion. This itself shows how pathetic your whole argument is.🤣If he is then convince me how he is? If this is a valid opinion, then my opinion is it's okay to murder someone for your own personal benefit. I think it's okay to hire people based on their caste and religion. I think it's okay to take bribe. All this is my personal opinion. You think this is valid as well?😆

Acting books are already there. I don't need to self create it to convince you.

Prefering Salman is different than calling him a better actor than Nawaz. Don't play with words!

I proved you wrong when you didn't answer me the question of whether if a star kid is selected over 1000s of outsiders through audition, was the audition process 100% fair? That there tells what is fair and unfair in selection of roles. Your whole argument of "acting is subjective" is a completely different thing and doesn't justify how actors are selected.

And you weren't justifying cronyism either okay?😆Then why did you say you were talking about favoritism and not nepotism, and favouritism extends to non-nepos as well?

If your post wasn't justifying nepotism or cronyism then what was it about? What argument were you making and whom were trying to justify? What were you trying to say exactly?

That don't be hard on filmmakers if they make bad casting decisions because they're human and their opinion is subjective? Why should we do that? If we're watching a movie and we're not happy with the casting decision why shouldn't we call it out? And if nepotism is the reason behind it then why shouldn't we call that out either? Keep on retracing your steps.😆

I've seen you playing this argument before as well so I know what and whom you were trying to justify. But I understand ego is a big thing.😆 It didn't even had anything with this topic then what were you adding on? I didn't rant. You were ranting on this thread with multiple essays. I just merely called out your bullshit. 😆

1. There Is nothing to prove …neither u proved me wrong and neither did I prove anything in my original post …
2. The post was taking abt the inability to standardise a qualitative selection criteria. It’s not justifying anything but stating a limitation in the process that exists. Is that so hard to understand?

3. Everything dosent have to fall between nepo vs non nepo argument ..open ur mind a little bit and see what is written instead of imagining nonsense because “oh u defend nepo kids in other posts” ….deal with it…

4. There is acting books and there is technique , neither of which absolutely state definitions of what a good actor is. It’s tools to assist actors not to give them a rule book. Perhaps read some of those so called books to understand how actors are trained.

5. Acting is very much subjective …so is liking a performance, a film, an actor …one person might like it and the other could hate it …neither is right or wrong…majority decides how in demand an actor or a film is and how successful they get …but at the stage of selecting an newcomer it boils down to preference

6 . Why exactly am I supposed to answer ur questions about nepo kids getting offers over non nepo kids when my post was about selection criteria when a person views auditions?
7. Salman va nawas argument - 1000s of ppl go watch Salmans film because they find him entertaining…their definition of a good actor can be someone who charms and entertains …ur definition might be someone who brings craft and nuance …who exactly are u to impose that ur definition is better than theirs or anyones?

6. The rest of the garbage spewed is waste of bandwidth…and not even coherent enough to form an argument … seriously ? Equating liking an actor to murder? Wtf? The law exists as a universally accepted code of conduct…no acting school , no acting book in the universe is deemed a universally accepted code of conduct to abide by…this is what happens when the brain goes on vacation ..bring it back

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Your rant is about outsider vs insider. I'm pointing out it doesn't apply here. Deepika and Madhuri are outsiders, a fact conveniently forgotten. If Yami can't reach their heights, it's because of a poor combo of bad luck and not good enough work and poor tactics.

Yes, bad luck. Bad luck is Yami came in Alia's generation. She debuted the same year Alia debuted. Deepika and Madhuri came much before Alia. Belonged to completely different generation. So it is an insider/outsider thing to some extent.

Originally posted by: AwaamKiJaan

Majnu Bhai is a better artist than Leonardo Da Vinci.😆

This

is better than this🤣

Art is subjective and this is my personal opinion so it's completely valid. Don't call it out otherwise you're sitting on a high horse.😆

Yep. Deal with it . Art is individual interpretation…critics write reviews which are coloured with the with their personal interpretations of the art piece …

For the record , da vinci , van goh and michaelangelos work was heavily critisised too ..some critics recently even wanted Mona Lisa to be taken down and deemed it overrated …

Success of an art piece is determined by what the majority thinks …and if we go by that logic …majority of the country loves/ used to love Salmans performances and films…

So who’s right or wrong? What’s the definitive answer here?

Originally posted by: AwaamKiJaan

Brutal truth was said by Yami no? Which made some people go on a meltdown with their endless rants and essays on this thread.😆

It's funny that people are complaining about her whining when their posts can be termed as whining as well.😆

Yami is guilty of melting down d precious bw . Ur whining is truth n my truth is whining 😆

Originally posted by: AwaamKiJaan

Yes, bad luck. Bad luck is Yami came in Alia's generation. She debuted the same year Alia debuted. Deepika and Madhuri came much before Alia. Belonged to completely different generation. So it is an insider/outsider thing to some extent.

U mean to say bw in bad luck phase n ya sad state of bw , bw needs make over

Originally posted by: AwaamKiJaan

Yes, bad luck. Bad luck is Yami came in Alia's generation. She debuted the same year Alia debuted. Deepika and Madhuri came much before Alia. Belonged to completely different generation. So it is an insider/outsider thing to some extent.

Really? Yami got a dream debut in Bollywood with Hrithik. She was included in some of the high-profile productions. They were successes. She got the same level of chances as Alia.

So don't blame insider, outsider for this.

She's complaining about media attention, and that comes from visibility and vice versa. It's a game she hasn't learned how to play. If she doesn't, she will fail. As simple as that.

Originally posted by: HearMeRoar

Really? Yami got a dream debut in Bollywood with Hrithik. She was included in some of the high-profile productions. They were successes. She got the same level of chances as Alia.

So don't blame insider, outsider for this.

She's complaining about media attention, and that comes from visibility and vice versa. It's a game she hasn't learned how to play. If she doesn't, she will fail. As simple as that.

I believe yami debuted with ayushman in Vicky donor …Kaabil came much later and was her only “high profile” film so far with a big superstar …

Originally posted by: pathaka

1. There Is nothing to prove …neither u proved me wrong and neither did I prove anything in my original post …
2. The post was taking abt the inability to standardise a qualitative selection criteria. It’s not justifying anything but stating a limitation in the process that exists. Is that so hard to understand?

3. Everything dosent have to fall between nepo vs non nepo argument ..open ur mind a little bit and see what is written instead of imagining nonsense because “oh u defend nepo kids in other posts” ….deal with it…

4. There is acting books and there is technique , neither of which absolutely state definitions of what a good actor is. It’s tools to assist actors not to give them a rule book. Perhaps read some of those so called books to understand how actors are trained.

5. Acting is very much subjective …so is liking a performance, a film, an actor …one person might like it and the other could hate it …neither is right or wrong…majority decides how in demand an actor or a film is and how successful they get …but at the stage of selecting an newcomer it boils down to preference

6 . Why exactly am I supposed to answer ur questions about nepo kids getting offers over non nepo kids when my post was about selection criteria when a person views auditions?
7. Salman va nawas argument - 1000s of ppl go watch Salmans film because they find him entertaining…their definition of a good actor can be someone who charms and entertains …ur definition might be someone who brings craft and nuance …who exactly are u to impose that ur definition is better than theirs or anyones?

6. The rest of the garbage spewed is waste of bandwidth…and not even coherent enough to form an argument … seriously ? Equating liking an actor to murder? Wtf? The law exists as a universally accepted code of conduct…no acting school , no acting book in the universe is deemed a universally accepted code of conduct to abide by…this is what happens when the brain goes on vacation ..bring it back

Lol so you agree that you proved nothing with your post? Then your post is garbage as well and adds nothing to this thread.

But you do defend nepokids. Even in this thread you tried to defend them. In the other thread you also tried to defend them. Why are you ashamed of what you're actually doing?

I see you changed your stance to acting is subjective to acting is VERY MUCH subjective.I said the same thing in my first reply that acting is subjective to an extent. But saying Salman is better than Nawaz is some bullshit you tried to sell.

Acting techniques like expressions, emoting, dialogue delivery, body language, getting into character, these are basics and are not subjective things.

If someone is playing a role of a blind man, he can't act like he can see things. He has to get into the body language of a blind man, use an expression that a blind person uses. If he fails to do so, and then if someone from audience says that the performance was brilliant, then that opinion is not valid at all.

Ah...now comes the popularity excuse.If someone likes Salman for his charm or looks then good for them, but equating that to acting is foolish. Next what? Sunny Leone is also a better actor than Nawaz because she's also more popular?

Tomorrow if Sachin Tendulkar acts in movie, and it becomes a Blockbuster because of his cricket fans, that doesn't make him a great actor. Audience watches a movie for different reasons, not just acting.

Opinions of fanatics can't be taken seriously so there's nothing wrong if I say my opinion is better than them. Because I'm being more neutral than them.

You said there's nothing fair or unfair in selection process. I proved you wrong by asking that question for which you've no answer. Keep on doing mental gymnastics to prove you didn't mean this or that.

Yes I think there's nothing wrong with murder. That's my personal opinion. Who are you to tell me if I'm wrong?😆

Who made the laws? Humans! Humans have personal preference. Why should we listen or bow down to them? It's not universally accepted, that's why criminals exist. According to law, homosexuality was also a crime few years back. So you would agree it's not perfect.

Originally posted by: pathaka

Yep. Deal with it . Art is individual interpretation…critics write reviews which are coloured with the with their personal interpretations of the art piece …

For the record , da vinci , van goh and michaelangelos work was heavily critisised too ..some critics recently even wanted Mona Lisa to be taken down and deemed it overrated …

Success of an art piece is determined by what the majority thinks …and if we go by that logic …majority of the country loves/ used to love Salmans performances and films…

So who’s right or wrong? What’s the definitive answer here?

Who is arguing with you here? I completely agree. Majnu bhai is better than Leonardo Da Vinci.😆

Leave Majnu bhai, even this

is better than Mona Lisa and its my personal opinion, so it's completely valid.😆