Effeminate and Tomboys. - Page 17

Originally posted by: Pain-in-ur-Neck

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Originally posted by: AwaamKiJaan

You didn't answer my question.

What are those certain desirable traits which make women not choose effeminate men?

What makes offsprings of effeminate men not good at surviving?

I know very well that most women are not attracted to effeminate men. I threw a "temper tantrum" because some people like you have to use pseudoscience to justify yourself, because maybe internally you all feel guilty for not being "woke".

All societies don't accept effeminate men or find masculine traits desirable, is because men are and were always considered superior to women. Rules of society are made by men. So obviously they would be biased.

So yes, it's all social conditioning. Gender stereotypes which always forced men and women to act as per society.

So evolutionary theory is "pseudoscience" but woke idiots that claim men can give birth is scientific? and you think I feel "guilty" for not buying into this insanity? 😆

Don't blame me cause straight women generally don't find effeminate men attractive, if they like a certain level of masculinity in a guy, that's their choice, there is no need to get so riled up over that.

You're basically insinuating that women are stupid, that guys have "conditioned" them what to like/dislike, and they just follow it like brainless zombies. If everything was just the result of social conditioning, then homosexuality should not exist in the Islamic world, and yet it does. There is a biological basis for some of our traits.

Originally posted by: Heisenberg17_

So evolutionary theory is "pseudoscience" but woke idiots that claim men can give birth is scientific? and you think I feel "guilty" for not buying into this insanity? 😆

Don't blame me cause straight women generally don't find effeminate men attractive, if they like a certain level of masculinity in a guy, that's their choice, there is no need to get so riled up over that.

You're basically insinuating that women are stupid, that guys have "conditioned" them what to like/dislike, and they just follow it like brainless zombies. If everything was just the result of social conditioning, then homosexuality should not exist in the Islamic world, and yet it does. There is a biological basis for some of our traits.

You still can't explain what evolutionary theory you're talking about which makes women not like effeminate men. So yes, I would call it pseudoscience.

I never said men can give birth. Don't put words in my mouth. I'm not getting riled up over choices of women. I'm getting "riled up" over pseudoscientific claims of people like you.

Nice try but it's not just women, but even men who are conditioned to believe certain things. And if these things don't have a logical reasoning, and the only excuse people have is "it's just is", then there's really no scientific reason behind it.

If homesexuality exists in Islamic world, then straight women liking effeminate men also exist in this very world! They are also biological beings.

Originally posted by: FreeTheNipple

Great, you are accepting you made predictions rather than straight out lying in your previous reply by saying "I never made any prediction". Ofcourse you will qualify it because the more I challenge your assumption, more unsure you are becoming. Good luck!

Great, now come back when you actually have a point. Good luck:D

Originally posted by: AwaamKiJaan

You still can't explain what evolutionary theory you're talking about which makes women not like effeminate men. So yes, I would call it pseudoscience.

I never said men can give birth. Don't put words in my mouth. I'm not getting riled up over choices of women. I'm getting "riled up" over pseudoscientific claims of people like you.

Nice try but it's not just women, but even men who are conditioned to believe certain things. And if these things don't have a logical reasoning, and the only excuse people have is "it's just is", then there's really no scientific reason behind it.

If homesexuality exists in Islamic world, then straight women liking effeminate men also exist in this very world! They are also biological beings.

That's my point, things like sexuality and sexual preferences have a biological basis to them, and social engineering won't change that. Just as some people are homosexuals but majority are not, some women may find effeminate men attractive but most won't.

I thought fawad khan was effeminate and he is very popular among women.

Proper example of effeminate men would be kpop boys and I find them very attractive. They are very popular as well. So it's not alien concept that women like effeminate looking men.

Originally posted by: Pain-in-ur-Neck

It depends if you're attracted to them, then why not!

Also, I don't think you like someone only based on their looks or certain labels. There are many variables involved when you find someone attractive. So regardless of whether they are tomboyish or effeminate you'll like them for who they are!

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Originally posted by: FreeTheNipple

Well not really, you don't need to bash a certain section to be bigoted. Beliefs, opinions, preferences can be bigoted. I don't need respect for my preference, I can challenge them on my own. Not sure what you mean by this reply. Nitpicking here but innate part means nothing on its own. Unless you mean genetically predisposed or something.

And you think beliefs, opinions , preferences = sexuality = bigotry ?

Good.. because now I do find it hard to even respect your opinion .. 😆

Not being attracted to kpop guys because they just don't do it for you for whatever reasons is sexuality not bigotry ..

Not being attracted to kpop guys because they are "weird" or "undesirable" or "disgusting" and making statements such as "you don't understand how anyone can be attracted to them " is bigotry ..

If innate means nothing to you , you are implying that sexuality is a choice .. now that opens a whole other can of worms ..

Originally posted by: AwaamKiJaan

The question about desirable traits of effeminate men wasn't for you. It was for Heisenberg and based on the context of the ongoing argument with him.

But you answered it anyway saying effeminate men don't have masculine traits, which is an obvious thing.

But what is masculinity or femininity is defined by society. Not pseudo science which Heisenberg was using to justify why most women don't like effeminate men.

Yes I created this thread asking a question, and you all answered. Because you all are part of the society as well.

Heisenberg has answered your questions .. so I am not even going to go there ..

The issue with your argument is : you are in essence agreeing with the societal standards but at the same time you are removing yourself from this society and holding everyone else accountable for those very standards..

Heisenberg and you are essentially making the same point ... and yet you are arguing about something for God knows what reasons ..