Are there any realistic depictions of second-gen NRIs in Bollywood? - Page 5

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: canuck-umz


I read your posts and you seem to have a lot of life experience. I can trust you to have a wealth of knowledge about the people living in Canada or India or wherever else you have lived. I think some of your experiences may have been different from CJK's and you are each basing your conclusions on your individual lived experiences. Interesting stuff still.


Absolutely - what else do we have to go by


But my whole point of sharing the counter proof was that we cannot generalise and say that NRIs follow Indian culture more than Indians living in India or vice versa. There are different types of people all over. Culture in it self is such a vague concept because it is always evolving, especially as the world shrinks due to ease of travel and social media. There is no set definition for Indian culture and traditions - there are stark variations across the length and breadth of the country. Learning Sanskrit might be Indian culture for some, while for others in south, they revere Tamil as the mother of all languages. Celebrating Holi is a tradition in north India, while there is no concept of Holi or Holika in south.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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It was my first near death experience so I remember it clearly 😂 I think it was her first appearance in the film. She was in a church wearing a lehenga and a red puffer jacket chatting shit 😂 I remember nothing else from this film though lol!

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Tbh the TM is wrong. NRIs especially the second gen are way more aware of the culture than you think

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Interesting thread .. lakh guna better than speculating on someone sexuality because they aren't married.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Very Interesting thread. ⭐️

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: canuck-umz


Our kids? You have children? 😲


‘Our kids’ matlab the entire desi kids ka population in the west. :)

I do have one 5 year old though.


OT: Very interesting thread TM. Yesterday night I just couldn’t resist replying even though I was just about to crash for the day. I just logged back in and oh my my, so many quotes, so much to read. Bookmarking to come back later in the day and read and reply...:)

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: cutejodikangal

Believe it or not, we outside of India follow more traditions and culture than the people who are actually in India. Whenever I go to India, I get a culture shock. My cousins look at me like I was a FOB. Our kids are a part of some or the other cultural associations where they are taught basic Sanskrit slokas and Prayer etc which I don’t see with the kids in India. Feeling too sleepy to write more but I hope you got what I am trying to say! :)

This is so true. Being an NRI myself, I 100 percent agree with this.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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It is difficult being a second-generation or even one and a half generation kid of any diaspora abroad. You will always be different in the country you are born or raised in. The color of your skin, the language your family speaks, the way your family behaves, always stick out. You are always considered foreign or semi-foreign in the homeland of your roots. Your accent, your behaviors, how you navigate the homeland always will stand out as different and amusing.

Being neither here nor there is a very uncomfortable feeling. It is human nature to fit in and belong somewhere. Humans are social animals that seek to be embraced into groups. And each person tries to find their sense of belonging, differently. Some folks try to assimilate into the country they are living in. Sometimes this comes at the expense of rejecting and resenting their roots. Some folks try to cling to their culture and roots. Sometimes this comes at the expense of being alienated where you live. And there is a whole spectrum in between the two extremes. Some find their belonging with other diaspora kids who find themselves neither here nor there.

It is not fair to dictate or judge how diaspora kids behave. There is no formula for the right amount of culture you must embrace from your homeland and where you live.

Bollywood does a shoddy job at authentically depicting the diaspora because they write stories based on assumptions, not lived experiences. Even the westerners in their country are reduced to caricatures and stereotypes of ignorant racist people who look down on people of color. Everything is in your face and blatant rather than the more systemic problems actual people of color face.

The few people who represent diaspora well are those who are members of diaspora themselves. Bend It Like Beckham, Master of None, Never Have I Ever, The Namesake, The Big Sick all depict second-generation immigrants more authentically. They avoid depicting westerners as one-note caricatures as well. And sometimes even other diaspora films like My Big Fat Greek Wedding, Saving Face, The Farewell, Minari, Brooklyn are more relatable than some bogus Bollywood movie.

Even then not all in the diaspora will relate. Because each experience is unique and where you live in the west also makes an impact. Rural America is different from Urban America. The Midwest, the deep south, the great plains, all have their own unique characteristics and culture. Each European nation is its own microculture. The wealthy NRI in New York or California is another stereotype that barely scratches the surface of Indians abroad.

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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: return_to_hades

It is difficult being a second-generation or even one and a half generation kid of any diaspora abroad. You will always be different in the country you are born or raised in. The color of your skin, the language your family speaks, the way your family behaves, always stick out. You are always considered foreign or semi-foreign in the homeland of your roots. Your accent, your behaviors, how you navigate the homeland always will stand out as different and amusing.

Being neither here nor there is a very uncomfortable feeling. It is human nature to fit in and belong somewhere. Humans are social animals that seek to be embraced into groups. And each person tries to find their sense of belonging, differently. Some folks try to assimilate into the country they are living in. Sometimes this comes at the expense of rejecting and resenting their roots. Some folks try to cling to their culture and roots. Sometimes this comes at the expense of being alienated where you live. And there is a whole spectrum in between the two extremes. Some find their belonging with other diaspora kids who find themselves neither here nor there.

It is not fair to dictate or judge how diaspora kids behave. There is no formula for the right amount of culture you must embrace from your homeland and where you live.

Bollywood does a shoddy job at authentically depicting the diaspora because they write stories based on assumptions, not lived experiences. Even the westerners in their country are reduced to caricatures and stereotypes of ignorant racist people who look down on people of color. Everything is in your face and blatant rather than the more systemic problems actual people of color face.

The few people who represent diaspora well are those who are members of diaspora themselves. Bend It Like Beckham, Master of None, Never Have I Ever, The Namesake, The Big Sick all depict second-generation immigrants more authentically. They avoid depicting westerners as one-note caricatures as well. And sometimes even other diaspora films like My Big Fat Greek Wedding, Saving Face, The Farewell, Minari, Brooklyn are more relatable than some bogus Bollywood movie.

Even then not all in the diaspora will relate. Because each experience is unique and where you live in the west also makes an impact. Rural America is different from Urban America. The Midwest, the deep south, the great plains, all have their own unique characteristics and culture. Each European nation is its own microculture. The wealthy NRI in New York or California is another stereotype that barely scratches the surface of Indians abroad.

Haha one of the biggest misconceptions perpetuated is that all NRIs are loaded with money 🤑🤑🤑


BTW even Simran was a good attempt, but I don't remember if you-know-who was a second gen NRI....

Edited by tapori - 4 years ago
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Posted: 4 years ago
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Originally posted by: Mahisa_22

I might be mistaken, but to my knowledge there is no movie which shows second-generation NRIs in a realistic way. They are mostly shown speaking in pure unaccented Hindi, and following Indian customs even though literally NO kid born or brought up in the US or Europe takes any interest in their parent's culture. From what I've seen, they might like individual stuff like food Or movies, but that's it.


Do you agree?


Lara Dutta in Jhoom Barabar Jhoom is the only person that had the correct accent. The way she even says "innit". Never seen or heard anything like it before or after. Preity Zinta on the other hand, in the same film, used the term "moron" which we DO NOT use in England, that is an Americanism


I remember in Mujhse Dosti Karoge, Hrithik Roshan is supposedly brought up in London but he calls "crisps" > "chips". Again, that is an Americanism.


Ranbir Kapoor in Ae Dil Hai Mushkil (a film I am a big fan of, but) his accent is NOT a London one. He didn't even try. WTF was K-jo thinking? I was willing to believe maybe the character was brought up elsewhere but throughout the film we get to know that Ayaan was born and brought up in England so SMH.


Anushka Sharma, usually a very dependable actress, in Sanju (2018) her "London accent" is beyond atrocious.


Saif Ali Khan in several films, but especially noticed it in Cocktail, his "British accent" was so bad. Like dude, you used to bloody live here. Get with the program.


The Bridget Jones franchise: which had the American actress Renee Zellweger playing a British woman, imagine if she was like "f*ck it, I'm gonna do my normal accent" 🤣


Bollywood needs to step it's pussy up already.

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