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Originally posted by: ponymo

Both colourism and racism are related in that they're both forms of dicrimination on the basis of how one looks.

And race does exist in India, Aryan race and Dravidian races for example (frequently South Indians are mocked for being darker). The prejudice against Northeast Indians is also racism.

It would be ignorant to deny existence of these forms of discrimination.

Bold: So that means both are the same??!! 😕

My goodness, do the words, "institutional discrimination", "systemic oppression" etc mean anything to you?

Do we have centuries of systemic oppression based on skin colour? Was any one particular skin-colour group subjugated for centuries and denied rights to education, livelihood etc based on skin colour? Are dark people systematically oppressed and deprived of rights because they are dark?

"Darling you are so dark who will marry you"--- That has nothing to do with racism for duck's sake. Its hurtful and unfair, but nowhere near what racism actually is.

Aryan Dravidians are not different races. It's an ethnic identity, and both North and South Indians have prejudices against one another. And then also they don't have the kind of history Whites and Blacks do in India.

Please stop diluting the issue of racism when you clearly don't know a single thing about it.

Originally posted by: Mahisa22

Bold: So that means both are the same??!! 😕

My goodness, do the words, "institutional discrimination", "systemic oppression" etc mean anything to you?

Do we have centuries of systemic oppression based on skin colour? Was any one particular skin-colour group subjugated for centuries and denied rights to education, livelihood etc based on skin colour? Are dark people systematically oppressed and deprived of rights because they are dark?

"Darling you are so dark who will marry you"--- That has nothing to do with racism for duck's sake. Its hurtful and unfair, but nowhere near what racism actually is.

Aryan Dravidians are not different races. It's an ethnic identity, and both North and South Indians have prejudices against one another. And then also they don't have the kind of history Whites and Blacks do in India.

Please stop diluting the issue of racism when you clearly don't know a single thing about it.

You should read up on how skin colour is tied to caste system. There are various studies mapping colour to caste. Here's an excerpt from one such study:

Aryans textually are described as a pure, noble, and superior race: physically tall, with sharp noses and lighter skin color. Dasyus or Dasas, on the contrary, are considered of lowly origin and racially inferior due to their dark skin. Such stratification based on skin color is perhaps one of the oldest forms of discrimination and domination in human society. India has a 3,000-year-old social hierarchal system rooted in the “varna-jāti” structure. Jāti, or caste system, is a socioreligious organization prescribing restricted commensality, endogamy, practices of untouchability, and other regressive practices.

Lighter skin is considered superior, whereas dark-skinned is rendered as disability, ugly, and inferior. Skin color in thus many ways is marker of social status, inferiority intrinsic to dark skin color, and superiority associated with whiteness/lighter skin shades.

Originally posted by: ponymo

You should read up on how skin colour is tied to caste system. There are various studies mapping colour to caste. Here's an excerpt from one such study:

Aryans textually are described as a pure, noble, and superior race: physically tall, with sharp noses and lighter skin color. Dasyus or Dasas, on the contrary, are considered of lowly origin and racially inferior due to their dark skin. Such stratification based on skin color is perhaps one of the oldest forms of discrimination and domination in human society. India has a 3,000-year-old social hierarchal system rooted in the “varna-jāti” structure. Jāti, or caste system, is a socioreligious organization prescribing restricted commensality, endogamy, practices of untouchability, and other regressive practices.

Lighter skin is considered superior, whereas dark-skinned is rendered as disability, ugly, and inferior. Skin color in thus many ways is marker of social status, inferiority intrinsic to dark skin color, and superiority associated with whiteness/lighter skin shades.

You again know next to nothing about the Varna system. Read an excerpt from the Vedas on how the four castes are actually divided. They are based on profession, nowhere on skin colour. The observation that lower castes tend to be of dark skin colour is just a coincidence which by the way is not universal. There is no mention of skin colour as a deciding factor in caste discrimination. There is no proof that Aryans and Dravidians hated each other because if colour.

Aryans are described as "fair skinned", yes, but that skin colour was hardly a factor in the Ary-Anarya conflict. Also, Dravidians are often very fair, especially in Tamil Nadu.

Most importantly, a Dalit will be still discriminated by an Upper caste guy even if the Dalit is light-skinned and UC guy is dark. Nobody gives a flying fcuk about how dark or fair a Dalit person is. So no, skin colour is not the basis for discrimination. You will still be privileged if you're a very very dark skinned Upper Caste person. It was that way in the ancient times and that way in the 21st century. Ram was dark, Krishna was dark, Draupadi was dark.

Race is not a thing in India no matter how much you try to painstakingly drive it in. No amount of erroneous surveys and out-of-context study texts will prove it is.

Originally posted by: Mahisa22

You again know next to nothing about the Varna system. Read an excerpt from the Vedas on how the four castes are actually divided. They are based on profession, nowhere on skin colour. The observation that lower castes tend to be of dark skin colour is just a coincidence which by the way is not universal. There is no mention of skin colour as a deciding factor in caste discrimination.

Aryans are described as "fair skinned", yes, but that skin colour was hardly a factor in the Ary-Anarya conflict. Also, Dravidians are often very fair, especially in Tamil Nadu.

Most importantly, a Dalit will be still discriminated by an Upper caste guy even if the Dalit is light-skinned and UC guy is dark.

Please stop trying to forcibly insert colour-based discrimination where its non-existent. Race is not a thing in India no matter how much you try to drive it is. Nobody in India understands what "race" means. Don't believe me? Go out and ask any random person on the street.

It is not a co-incidence, as the studies say. Did you even read that excerpt? I am not saying these things. Scientists and historians are.

Of course, cross-breeding has happened over time, so now so we have dark skinned UCs and fair skinned LCs.

Anyhow, that was not even the crux of my main point. It was to say racism exists in India, whether you like it or not. And I'm not saying it. Thousands of studies and articles are. There's overwhelming evidence of this both online and offline. You can deny all that so there's no point going over this with you. I'm outta here. Peace out!

Originally posted by: ponymo

It is not a co-incidence, as the studies say. Did you even read that excerpt? I am not saying these things. Scientists and historians are.

Of course, cross-breeding has happened over time, so now so we have dark skinned UCs and fair skinned LCs.

Anyhow, that was not even the crux of my main point. It was to say racism exists in India, whether you like it or not. And I'm not saying it. Thousands of studies and articles are. There's overwhelming evidence of this both online and offline. You can deny all that so there's no point going over this with you. I'm outta here. Peace out!

LMAO do you even know what the argument is about? Its about discrimination solely based on skin colour.

I read that excerpt, and it says that Aryans considered Dasyus inferior. But I dare you to produce a Aryan text where it says that Dradivians were hated SOLELY based on skin colour. Also, Dravidians and Aryans were both anti each other, none of them were persecuted races like Blacks are. Your argument is that "Dark skinned people are persecuted in India" and till now you have not been able to prove anything on it. Aryan-Dravidian conflict did not hinge upon skin colour, you're awfully ignorant.

If there are light-skinned and dark-skinned people in both Upper Castes and Lower Castes, then that alone defeats your point about colour-based discrimination in the 21st century.

No, skin colour based racism was and is never a thing in India.

You're most welcome to stop. As it is, you are desperately trying to prove something that has no factual evidence to back it up.

Indian & Pakistani people are both colorist AND racist. Try bringing a black girlfriend or boyfriend home and see how traumatized the parents get 😆

Originally posted by: Sharpener

Indian & Pakistani people are both colorist AND racist. Try bringing a black girlfriend or boyfriend home and see how traumatized the parents get 😆

Exactly. It's hilarious how people want to deny it lmao.

Originally posted by: Sharpener

Indian & Pakistani people are both colorist AND racist. Try bringing a black girlfriend or boyfriend home and see how traumatized the parents get 😆

That racism part applies only when they are in another country. Inside India/Pak there is scope only for colorism.

It's hilarious how people contradict their own words on here. First bring up a survey with questionable paradigms, then proceed to talk about the Aryan-Dravidian relations two millenia ago. 🤪

Like Dravidians were slaves of Aryans or the Aryan-Dravidian conflict was due to skin colour. 🤪 Ignoring the fact that several Aryan gods/goddesses and mythical heroes were described as 'dark skinned'.

There is a reason Indians sound so illiterate while talking about racism on the internet. 70% of them have zero knowledge about what the word means.