'Padmaavat is pure misogyny dressed up in diamonds and drama' Barkha D - Page 5

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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: --L--



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Posted: 7 years ago
#42

Originally posted by: --L--


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W*F 🤣...chalo Govinda ko biopic mil gaya...
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Posted: 7 years ago
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i loved the movie
it is a period movie

it showed what happened..nothing is being preached or glorified

don't know why the likes of swara and barkha are not seeing that or purposely ignoring that

anyway..the movie is a BB..and kuch tou log kahein ge..logo ka kaam hai kehna..esp now when it stood the test of time and has done so well all over
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Posted: 7 years ago
#45

Originally posted by: here4reviews

Thanks to Bollywood forum for the last few months, I've learnt that Jauhar is not related to Sati because they are DIFFERENT and Jauhar is voluntary while Sati is forced.

This black and white depiction of the history of Jauhar and Sati is pretty much a Bollywood forum exclusive. History books jaaye bhaad mein. 😆



Jauhar and Sati ARE different. During Sati, after the death of the husband a woman kicking, screaming, begging was thrown into the fire, even if her husband had died of a heart attack or just by taking a fall. It just didn't matter as she just had to die with him - that was the sick mentality.

During Jauhar, these women jumped into the fire to escape sex slavery. Fire was chosen as the mode to die (the most painful) because it completely destroyed their bodies, leaving behind only ash. Thus, avoiding necrophilia (Yes, it actually used to happen).


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Posted: 7 years ago
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So a woman in 13 th century choose her own fate rather than just accepting the inevitable. Is that misogyny? Not for me at least but how is this misogyny for others I would love to understand . Now about the glorification part.Hmm why shouldn't it be glorified ? A queen in 13th century choose her own fate . She didn't accept the inevitable. She committed a brave act . She is revered for that act . If a movie is being made on it why wouldn't it be glorified?
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Posted: 7 years ago
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Lol...all these poor journalists and other SM warriors fought tooth and nail for padmavati before release are now regretting it 😆
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Posted: 7 years ago
#48

Originally posted by: Flame.


Jauhar and Sati ARE different. During Sati, after the death of the husband a woman kicking, screaming, begging was thrown into the fire, even if her husband had died of a heart attack or just by taking a fall. It just didn't matter as she just had to die with him - that was the sick mentality.

During Jauhar, these women jumped into the fire to escape sex slavery. Fire was chosen as the mode to die (the most painful) because it completely destroyed their bodies, leaving behind only ash. Thus, avoiding necrophilia (Yes, it actually used to happen).



Sati and Jauhar are related and stream from the same social conditioning- to remain pious and chaste after the husband's death. What you are saying about women being thrown into fire forcefully is just a part of the whole custom and not the complete truth. We have been accustomed to Sati as an 'involuntary' practice due to our primary school history text books and popular culture. There have been enough research papers, debates and studies by historians that who that Sati was as much a voluntary practice by some as it was involuntary to someone else.When popular regressive traditions become a regular activity, involuntary participation doesn't become a choice,it becomes a habit.

Sati by practice was rampant in the north western part of India because of the folklore surrounding Rani Padmini's jauhar which was believed to be the supreme sacrifice by women to protect and safeguard their honour and chastity and be devoted to one man only, the very reason why women decided/were made to jump on their husband's pyre-so that they stay chaste. It didn't always had to be forced. It was also voluntary because of the social conditioning women went through back then where they were fed stories of heroes like Rani Padmini and how self immolation was the most superior form of sacrifice and devotion to the husband. Many women also committed sati voluntarily, especially in the Bengal region to escape the torture they would face by the community after being a widow in the form of shaving their hair,wearing white clothes, having boiled vegetables for food only once a day, having their property and jewellery seized and being excluded from every celebration. Even Akbar could not stop Sati despite many efforts because even the widows were willing to die with their dead husbands.

Like I said, Sati streams out from the practice of Jauhar.Both had the same thought- wives die with their husbands by either jumping into the pyre or self immolating oneself. Sex slavery was ONE of the reasons but not the only one because the whole issue of sex slavery wasn't just a problem back then but existed even after the Islamic invasion in different forms and it exists today as well like the state of the widows of Vidharba region who are being forced into sex trade and prostitution after the death of the farmers. Jauhar and Sati were clearly a way to equate a woman's existence with that of her husband's and that there was no purpose to life after the man of the house dies.

Now again coming back to the depiction of Jauhar in the movie, if it was a voluntary act of sacrifice,why was the child bride shown to be jumping into fire along with the other women? Was that a voluntary act as well? How can a child decide voluntarily whether she wants to live or self immolate herself? And also the very fact that Rani Padmini herself had to ask for PERMISSION for the Jauhar from Raja Ratan Sen moots any point of 'choice' here.Similarly what Deepika says here was what the ritual of Sati pratha was based on- give your life with your dying husband to be united with him and only belong to him,forever.

And anyways,the very person on whose name the term Sati comes from,self immolated herself voluntarily and by choice, not forcefully. And even now, there are places where Rani Padmini is worshipped,seen and portrayed as Sati Padmini.



Also, there's this fantastic post on whether Sati was really involuntary back then that's supplemented with excerpts from research materials. Quite a fascinating read.


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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: --L--


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Posted: 7 years ago
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Originally posted by: angrybread

The resemblance 😲😆


Originally posted by: padmavat.



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