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Posted: 8 years ago
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Kareena and him had a falling out so him bringing it up didn't come out of the left field. It was something Kareena has herself addressed if I'm not wrong. Even during that episode , she admitted that she was wrong and was quite self deprecating in the manner she responded as well. They both discussed it together. I believe he brought it up and told her he never held it against her. He told later it was behind them. He even apologized to Rani and told her that he was sorry for not letting her know about the making of the film earlier. It was just an example I used to illustrate that he does much more than play a role of an interviewee that was def a conversation between three friends where he was doing a lot more than just asking questions..

Of course he is part of the conversation considering he's the guy who is asking the questions but he's there as a host and not as a guest! As for him being gracious , I thought he was darn gracious when it came to all that Kangana stated . I'm sure even the folks here who have an issue with him responding now would have probably had the same response had he chose to get into a back and forth with Kangana then. Then it would have become "oh look..he is being so defensive..etc etc". He still is being defensive. She clearly got under his skin other wise he wouldnt have attacked her the way he did in the video.. The longer version is even more offensive. He claims that he is glad Kangana understands what nepotism is.. Kangana according to me has much stronger vocabulary than Kareena, Alia, Rani, and many other women that he is close to.. Im sure Kareena doesnt understand many terms either

It would sting if it is factually incorrect man! And it ain't like he hasn't been roasted before! 😆 It's simple , don't dish it out if you can't take it. Kangana has a lot of opinions about everyone and kudos to her man but then others too have a right to have their opinion about her or something she has to say..right? Her talking about him being "intolerant to outsiders" is factually incorrect but like I stated a nuanced opinion would have not made for a good copy :). Well the same things applies to Karan dont mock other people english if you can not handle their response clearly he cant.. Besides SRK (who was a well established star before Karan worked with him) Most of his films have included industry insiders. And he not only launched Alia he made sure she was getting good offers and casted her in many Dharma production films.. If that is not favortism towards industry insiders than what is? He helped her get highway did he not?

That's the format of the show! You know what you are getting into when you choose to go to KWK! Rapid fire is part of that, However there have been plenty who have been diplomatic so the host ain't putting words in your mouth! I mean these folks are adults for crying out loud. How can Karan manipulate them into answering something. I mean are these folks so gullible or what! They can very well choose to be diplomatic or not go to the show at all if they are so "above" it. It might be a format of the show. But Karan decided to put it in the format? Is it a format on every show that you have to do a round that will require you to be blunt (rude)? Yes some people play it smart but he does encourage people to be rude by rewarding them no? Of course they can chose not to go but his show is mainly about taking digs even others have an option. By manipulations isnt force by definition. Your confusing manipulation with force. Manipulate means skillfully and tactfully get someone do something you want them to do. That could mean him asking pointed questions like asking Kareena how she felt about her rival PC getting a national award? Or rewarding someone for being rude in a rapid fired round. MANIPULATION is not force.

How is it hypocritical? If a remark or a comment is about him then he has every right to state his opinion on it! As for others being offended , well I can cite examples here when others have taken offense at things that have been stated on the show. I remember Rishi Kapoor bashing both Deepika and Sonam , I remember Sonam responding to something Imran had stated , there have been plenty of times where folks have taken offense and chose to retaliate. Some just seem to have an issue this time because Karan is choosing to respond. And that is what I find amusing because he has every right to respond man. Thing is Rishi Kapoor never asked other people to say offensive things about other industry people on his show.. Neither did Sonam.. Karan has made a living off of encouraging people to say rude and offensives things about each other so it is hypocritical when he gets so offended when one person came and said something offensive to him.




The keyword there being "friends"! He has an equation with all of them that goes beyond just films. I mean Rani was in his debut movie man. Kareena is someone who he considers a sister. And you can't expect him to not have an opinion on a falling out that happened between him and Kareena. They both were candid when it came to talking about that issue as it was something that had already been resolved.

So let me get this straight , him stating his opinion is an "attack". I think you pretty much summed up what I was trying to get at there that had he even responded to her in the manner he has done now , he would have been called out on it and it would have been termed "insulting", "defensive" or whatever. And no I don't see him stating his opinion as an attack , if that is an "attack" then so is what Kangana did. But I see neither as that. I see it as two people who are voicing their opinion.

I know what manipulation means man! 😆 And no I don't see it as manipulation. These people aren't as gullible as you are making them out to be! And of course it's format that he has come up with! One that has become darn popular now , one that is used in every other show now. Nobody is spoon feeding you what to say , nobody is asking you to be "controversial" if you don't want to be! It ain't mandatory for any of these folks to go to the show. If you think the "format" is so offensive or so "above" you then why bother going to the show. I remember Sonam had an issue with the whole ranking thing this season and she chose to not do it. So it's an individual choice at the end of the day.

Again , Karan ain't the one who is spoon-feeding these celebs the answers they come up with! They are responsible for the comments they make on the show. They are the ones who are choosing to go to the show. And there is nothing hypocritical in him responding to a remark that he found was out of line.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: pakeezah

Lol! When was KWK a movie promo? Rapid fire about best acting...most hot...girlfriends.. Boyfriends. Scandals is promoting movie?

What are you talking about?



I'm talking about Kangana , Saif and Shahid coming on an episode of KWK! 😆 I guess it's just a coincidence that they also happened to part of a film titled Rangoon that released a few days after that episode was aired! 😆
Edited by zaroonkashaf - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I think Karan is saying this now after Rangoon flopped because this will do more damage as opposed to any other time. You know how they say loha garm hai. She is getting flops one after the other and now after such a big flop, if a big filmmaker like him criticises her then it's a bigger blow to her image(not with her fans obviously).
Kangana also became so outspoken only after she got successful so, it's just natural. People wait for the right time..
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: zaroonkashaf



I'm talking about Kangana , Saif and Shahid coming on an episode of KWK! 😆 I guess it's just a coincidence that they also happened to part of a film titled Rangoon that released a few days after that episode was aired! 😆


You answer me.

She just jumped out of nowhere and talked about nepotism or he asked her a question unrelated to Rangoon?


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Posted: 8 years ago
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The keyword there being "friends"! He has an equation with all of them that goes beyond just films. I mean Rani was in his debut movie man. Kareena is someone who he considers a sister. And you can't expect him to not have an opinion on a falling out that happened between him and Kareena. They both were candid when it came to talking about that issue as it was something that had already been resolved.

So let me get this straight , him stating his opinion is an "attack". I think you pretty much summed up what I was trying to get at there that had he even responded to her in the manner he has done now , he would have been called out on it and it would have been termed "insulting", "defensive" or whatever. And no I don't see him stating his opinion as an attack , if that is an "attack" then so is what Kangana did. But I see neither as that. I see it as two people who are voicing their opinion.

I know what manipulation means man! 😆 And no I don't see it as manipulation. These people aren't as gullible as you are making them out to be! And of course it's format that he has come up with! One that has become darn popular now , one that is used in every other show now. Nobody is spoon feeding you what to say , nobody is asking you to be "controversial" if you don't want to be! It ain't mandatory for any of these folks to go to the show. If you think the "format" is so offensive or so "above" you then why bother going to the show. I remember Sonam had an issue with the whole ranking thing this season and she chose to not do it. So it's an individual choice at the end of the day.

Again , Karan ain't the one who is spoon-feeding these celebs the answers they come up with! They are responsible for the comments they make on the show. They are the ones who are choosing to go to the show. And there is nothing hypocritical in him responding to a remark that he found was out of line.

He is conversational with everyone even when PC came for the first time he mocked her for being too diplomatic or at another time showing her legs. He gives his opinion in from time to time like he told Kokona that her not taking herself so seriously has always been her strength. Giving your opinion and teasing to the extent he does is doing a lot more tha playing the role of an interviewee.

I am sure you understand what manipulation means. But you def are intentionally confusing it with force even now. I am not going to go back and forth with you on a point that you refuse to understand. You keep talking about choice. Someone not giving you a choice is def force and not manipulation. So you cant make that argument and say Karan doesnt manipulate people. He does very much encourage them and reward for being rude and offensive. His show is known for that. Akshay Kumar and Shahrukh have openly mocked him for this because everyone know that is what his shown his known for and he DOES encourage it. That doesnt mean force, nor does it mean not giving someone a choice (which is the same thing as force), nor does it mean treating others like their stupid. It means encourage by mocking them for being too diplomatic, using a liarmeter if they say something too politically correct and rewarding people for being rude. Im sure your going to confuse this with force again and come back with an arugment that they have choice (and are basically not forced). Pointless explaining this again and again.

You dont have to be dumb but in the spur of the moment between a laughing, joking atmosphere people can end up saying a lot of things they dont mean. You can take communications. It is natural. How like you said all these controversies with Rishi Kapoor and Sonam only arise on his show not others?

It very hypocritical to encourage others to say things that are out of line about each other. And get butthurt when its done to you.
Edited by grumpydwarf - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: pakeezah


You answer me.

She just jumped out of nowhere and talked about nepotism or he asked her a question unrelated to Rangoon?




Okay , firstly , if I'm responding to you then that equates to me "answering you"..lol. As for your question , this is KWK! This ain't some regular film interview where the questions are just restricted to what your character is like etc etc. Hell even in those interviews these days , folks talk about a lot more than just the film they are promoting , doesn't mean they aren't there for promotions! 😆 The fact that all three leads of Rangoon were there should answer your question.


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Posted: 8 years ago
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This is hilarious. Whiner vs Whiner.
But dick move Kjo, you let her bytes stay there because you know they will bring in Buzz and trps. You not just allowed the statements to air but you made a promo out of them as well, clearly shows you wanted the narrative to go. It was perfect karma for the way he treated Kangy when she first came to his show.

Kjo sets the tone of his episodes pretty early. He took jibes at Kajol's marriage because he thought she would be a cow about them. Has no guts to repeat that performance with Aki-Twinkle , now that Twinkle is all high-brow.

But love how Kangy's jibes stung so well.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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The keyword there being "friends"! He has an equation with all of them that goes beyond just films. I mean Rani was in his debut movie man. Kareena is someone who he considers a sister. And you can't expect him to not have an opinion on a falling out that happened between him and Kareena. They both were candid when it came to talking about that issue as it was something that had already been resolved.

So let me get this straight , him stating his opinion is an "attack". I think you pretty much summed up what I was trying to get at there that had he even responded to her in the manner he has done now , he would have been called out on it and it would have been termed "insulting", "defensive" or whatever. And no I don't see him stating his opinion as an attack , if that is an "attack" then so is what Kangana did. But I see neither as that. I see it as two people who are voicing their opinion.

I know what manipulation means man! 😆 And no I don't see it as manipulation. These people aren't as gullible as you are making them out to be! And of course it's format that he has come up with! One that has become darn popular now , one that is used in every other show now. Nobody is spoon feeding you what to say , nobody is asking you to be "controversial" if you don't want to be! It ain't mandatory for any of these folks to go to the show. If you think the "format" is so offensive or so "above" you then why bother going to the show. I remember Sonam had an issue with the whole ranking thing this season and she chose to not do it. So it's an individual choice at the end of the day.

Again , Karan ain't the one who is spoon-feeding these celebs the answers they come up with! They are responsible for the comments they make on the show. They are the ones who are choosing to go to the show. And there is nothing hypocritical in him responding to a remark that he found was out of line.

He is conversational with everyone even when PC came for the first time he mocked her for being too diplomatic or at another time showing her legs. He gives his opinion in from time to time like he told Kokona that her not taking herself so seriously has always been her strength. Giving your opinion and teasing to the extent he does is doing a lot more tha playing the role of an interviewee.

I am sure you understand what manipulation means. But you def are intentionally confusing it with force even now. I am not going to go back and forth with you on a point that you refuse to understand. You keep talking about choice. Someone not giving you a choice is def force and not manipulation. So you cant make that argument and say Karan doesnt manipulate people. He does very much encourage them and reward for being rude and offensive. His show is known for that. Akshay Kumar and Shahrukh have openly mocked him for this because everyone know that is what his shown his known for and he DOES encourage it. That doesnt mean force, nor does it mean not giving someone a choice (which is the same thing as force), nor does it mean treating others like their stupid. It means encourage by mocking them for being too diplomatic, using a liarmeter if they say something too politically correct and rewarding people for being rude. Im sure your going to confuse this with force again and come back with an arugment that they have choice (and are basically not forced). Pointless explaining this again and again.

You dont have to be dumb but in the spur of the moment between a laughing, joking atmosphere people can end up saying a lot of things they dont mean. You can take communications. It is natural. How like you said all these controversies with Rishi Kapoor and Sonam only arise on his show not others?

It very hypocritical to encourage others to say things that are out of line about each other. And get butthurt when its done to you.


That's him being a host. If you are expecting him to keep the sarcasm aside and just be all "serious" then you are probably expecting something that should not be expected from a show like KWK! 😆 He can be witty , be sarcastic as that is what is demanded of him as a host of a show like KWK! But the show is a platform where he asks questions to his guests , the subject is the guest and not him! Infact there have been times where folks have tried to turn the table on him and he has been like you are the guest , I'm not.

Refuse to understand? Nahhh! I understand darn well , I refuse to agree with that opinion because I see no merit in it whatsoever :). I'm glad you gave those examples...lol! because both Shahrukh and Akshay have come on the show and been themselves! Shahrukh is known to be witty and that's exactly what he was on the show everytime he came on it. Akshay is used to playing safe and that is exactly how he conducted himself even when he came with Twinkle. Twinkle is known to be more sassy between the two of them and that is exactly what one got to see. So neither it is force nor it is manipulation. You can choose to be either yourself or play it up or play it down. It still comes down to you and only you. When you are going for a show like KWK , you know what the format is so this notion that these celebs who come on the show are oh so gullible is preposterous.

Are you actually insinuating that these folks are only candid on Karan's show and nowhere else? Hasn't Deepika made quite a few remarks that have been mocked and ridiculed here? Plenty of those remarks weren't made on KWK! 😆

Yeah...because these are obviously folks who aren't adults and are gullible enough to get "encouraged"...right!
Edited by zaroonkashaf - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Not sure whom should I sympathize with. No one. 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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For once I would probably agree with Kjo!

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