Why all the blame to Kangana for Rangoon failure? - Page 2

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Posted: 8 years ago
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she was given the most screen time in the promos, and was boasting since last year.
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Feel bad for the rest of the team but serves her right.
She would have hogged the whole glory had it worked.

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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: Maroon5.0

She called herself the hero but in the end she showed what her AUKAT is. A big 0 nothing nada goose egg

AGUBWAH

She is so bad I had to make up a word for her worthless ass 😆😆


She's India best actress... The others are entertainers without acting training whatsoever. So I know many are vegetarians and prefer plants, but that doesn't have to be the case with almost all Bollywood movies... Entertainers aren't actors...
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Cannot blame her. The script was perfect for her, but those last minutes editing changes have killed her role... Removing what we call, some of her character development arc which must keep her acting in sync throughout the story time line. In this case, they cut the timeline AND some of her key scenes, necessary for her acting graph... Therefore torpedoed her whole acts... No director having spent 10 years on his pet project would act like that... This is highly suspicious, especially in the light of her revelations about Bollywood mafia...

Besides, Indian movie market is renowned for its feel-good movies. Which appeal to the country side. This one did target educated Indians who knew their history and wanted to see more... Not really a comparable market with Masala movies...
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Posted: 8 years ago
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There is nothing unusual about the blame she is receiving. (Yes I lot of the posts are extra savage because she is not well liked by many people here. But every actor has haters and those posters always turn savage at flop time. KR just has more haters than her degree of fame would predict). The director and lead are always blamed for flops. The director for execution and the lead for lack of star power. If she wants to be considered a hero she can't expect not to be raked over the coals when her film opens poorly. She went out of her way to lay claim to being the central character. How many people are unaware that the screenplay was called Julia - pretty much no one since Kangana told everyone repeatedly. The people saying she would have taken all the credit if it had succeeded are right. If it had succeeded there would be blinds about her ghost directing it instead of the story about her becoming a director soon.

I for one had every intention of seeing this film before promotions began. I watched the trailer (before Kaabil ironically) and thought she looked beautiful with her hair bobbed and I expected her chemistry with Shahid to be good. I planned to watch it on the first Friday. And then she started talking and kept talking... I cannot be alone. I am sure other people also decided not to watch or to wait for word of mouth (which turned into never going) because of her "promotion". She needs to take responsibility for that too.



Edited by Nova19 - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Oh man... if "interviews" were enough to keep people in or away from theatres. 🤡

No one dissects IVs more than us. 😆
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Posted: 8 years ago
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I really wonder sometimes if actors truly read the script and feel its amazing as they seem to say that about every film they do. The audience just by trailers can often times tell it'll be good vs not, how can actors be so jaded and not be able to tell when this is the industry they've been in for so long. It boggles me that Shahid thought Shandaar would do well. Do they not see the gaps in the storyline when they read the script and what not? and then they tout about how they're playing a "character like never before" or "this will be the turning point of their career" etc

Film promotions seem to jack up when they know they'll be low on content. its just embarrassing when the actors go on to talk about how wonderful the storyline is and it so blatantly fails to deliver. This is not just in reference to KR, but also SK and SAK in this case. And its not only with Rangoon either. Its mind boggling to me the type of rose colored glasses these people wear😕
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: pyaari_puja

I really wonder sometimes if actors truly read the script and feel its amazing as they seem to say that about every film they do. The audience just by trailers can often times tell it'll be good vs not, how can actors be so jaded and not be able to tell when this is the industry they've been in for so long. It boggles me that Shahid thought Shandaar would do well. Do they not see the gaps in the storyline when they read the script and what not? and then they tout about how they're playing a "character like never before" or "this will be the turning point of their career" etc


Film promotions seem to jack up when they know they'll be low on content. its just embarrassing when the actors go on to talk about how wonderful the storyline is and it so blatantly fails to deliver. This is not just in reference to KR, but also SK and SAK in this case. And its not only with Rangoon either. Its mind boggling to me the type of rose colored glasses these people wear😕


I've always wondered that too. #Screenplay

I have a feeling most directors don't have a "bound" script ready. They go with the concept. Actors trust them... especially the one they want to work with. OR sometime the script is ready, but the execution doesn't pan out.

Actors are contractually obligated to promote a movie regardless. So they have to sell it. Given that actors do 1-2 films per year, the commercial outcome does impact them... perhaps may not get enough money for next etc... on case by case basis.

Quality SCREENWRITING should be the top priority for filmmakers. Without this skeleton, everything is meaningless and doesn't matter how everything else is mounted.

And it also depends on the audience mindset. Indian audience generally prefer MASSY potboilers and hence their success. Lakhan's beautiful charts of BBs will give you a solid idea of which genre completely sells.

It is only when directors start deviating from it, the RISKS increase and if the budget/script is out of control... then... basically khair nahin.

Proven again and again... every year infact!

Hope SLB has done his homework.,,, else it will be a shame if the bloated 200CR Padmavati goes down in drain because he and his Oscar winning writer Prakash Kapadia spent NO TIME on it.

It wouldn't matter then what a kohled Khilji, decked Padmini or barechested Ratan ji did. 😛

I wish Vishal had paid attention after BV's response. 🤓
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Posted: 8 years ago
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^^ my quote box is funky and not working properly so I will just have to reply with the carrot tops lol.
I agree with the actors being contractually bound to promote, but when they sing praises to the sky about how unique, innovative, revolutionary and challenging this character they are playing is as well as how pathbreaking and different this movie is, they are building up the public's expectations that much higher which just gives it so much more room to fall flat. After shooting for the movie, I would imagine that the actors have some sense of what the end product will look like and whether or not it will live up to whatever they expect. If it doesn't, pumping up the publics expectations of the movie makes them look like idiots and as if they have bad script choice. Also is more ammo for haters to rub in their face.

I feel bad for actors who are given one vision of the story and then the execution and direction end up completely different. the actors get so much flak despite doing what they were supposed to do and all 3 of these actors have proven their worth and acting chops in other films so I don't doubt the work and dedication they put into these characters.


SLB is a whole other story, he covers up his botching of history with grand sets and costume designs. BM felt less like an epic love story and more like a tale of an extramarital affair and left you feeling bad for the wife at home as opposed to feeling the angst and pining of the main characters. In that regard a lot of his movies fail, but the grandiosity of his films attracts viewers. Hope with PV he does a more convincing job with the story
Edited by pyaari_puja - 8 years ago
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Posted: 8 years ago
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Originally posted by: pyaari_puja

^^ my quote box is funky and not working properly so I will just have to reply with the carrot tops lol.

I agree with the actors being contractually bound to promote, but when they sing praises to the sky about how unique, innovative, revolutionary and challenging this character they are playing is as well as how pathbreaking and different this movie is, they are building up the public's expectations that much higher which just gives it so much more room to fall flat. After shooting for the movie, I would imagine that the actors have some sense of what the end product will look like and whether or not it will live up to whatever they expect. If it doesn't, pumping up the publics expectations of the movie makes them look like idiots and as if they have bad script choice. Also is more ammo for haters to rub in their face.

I feel bad for actors who are given one vision of the story and then the execution and direction end up completely different. the actors get so much flak despite doing what they were supposed to do and all 3 of these actors have proven their worth and acting chops in other films so I don't doubt the work and dedication they put into these characters.


SLB is a whole other story, he covers up his botching of history with grand sets and costume designs. BM felt less like an epic love story and more like a tale of an extramarital affair and left you feeling bad for the wife at home as opposed to feeling the angst and pining of the main characters. In that regard a lot of his movies fail, but the grandiosity of his films attracts viewers. Hope with PV he does a more convincing job with the story


Frankly speaking... I've never been able to watch his films more than ONCE. They razzle dazzle you with aesthetics so much that it is overpowering and the actors performance look theatrical. Have to say it's not actors fault... their dialogues and overpowering music 🤡

I didn't watch RL. BM... I was stunned by the visuals. Everything was in its place... but just couldn't connect with the emotions much, despite the actors being sincere. 😕

I want Kangana to star in his movie... just so I can see her once decked like a Xmas tree and paste pictures here to rub at her die-hard "closeted" fans. 😉 I know nothing will come of her from that movie... but then she has already achieved enough critical acclaim with multiple NAs to the point of being taken granted... so it doesn't matter if SLB movie gives her additional acclaim or not.

Bas put her in that setup once... so we can say... haan she did that mandatory Bhansali film too like her other contemporaries. 😆

He does present his actresses EXTREMELY WELL. I'll give that. ⭐️


Back to topic... the same strategy won't work every time. He has given turkeys in the past too. Just because BM clicked, doesn't mean PV's success is assured.








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