Do we have an inferiority complex vis a vis Hollywood?

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clarity

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Posted: 9 years ago

#11

Originally posted by: SherlockHouse

what others aspect
explain ?

Stereotyping. HW movies and American TV stereotype non-white people. Like Tej and his friend's characters in Fast and the Furious. Black guy for comedy. Non-white women are the exotic fruit the usually white leading lads get while non-white men are portrayed as undesirable, dangerous and uncivilised at times.

Pay gap.

Scripts- A lot of these big movies are like any big BW release like Dabangg or Dilwale. Independence Day, Suicide Squad etc.

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Zennia

@Zennia

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Posted: 9 years ago

#12

Most hw movies have a script which requires you to use your brain and then they have actors who can make you believe in them. These actors are so adept that ven if you have not dreamt of becoming an astronaut for 3 decades, they can make you feel the joy/sorrow of living the life of an astronaut vicariously. So HW is waayy better than BW.

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Remus.Lupin4

@Remus.Lupin4

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Posted: 9 years ago

#13

hollywood has better writers with better pay than bollywood...

there are the obvious movies made in HW for the sake of money and most of them are terrible, but you also have writers and directors who are passionate about their job... bw seems all for making money overpays its actors and doesn't pay writers much... the day writers start getting paid more and are appreciated more... bollywood will do much better...

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SeeYa

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Posted: 9 years ago

#14

Originally posted by: clarity

Stereotyping. HW movies and American TV stereotype non-white people. Like Tej and his friend's characters in Fast and the Furious. Black guy for comedy. Non-white women are the exotic fruit the usually white leading lads get while non-white men are portrayed as undesirable, dangerous and uncivilised at times.

Pay gap.

Scripts- A lot of these big movies are like any big BW release like Dabangg or Dilwale. Independence Day, Suicide Squad etc.

stereoptypes exist everywhere

bw stories are full of cliches and stereoptypes of gay persons , black people , particular caste

pay gap exists in both industries

scripts are bad both cases

That said , HW is better in filmaking and craft

their award season has not yet started and i can count more than 10 movies which are better than bw had and would offer in this year.

There is different variety of movie genres

for example in this year

horror - the conjuring 2 , lights out and don't breathe

big blockbuster - civil war , finding dory

indie movie - sing street , hunt for wilderpeople

thriller - 10 cloverfield lane

animation for kids - secret life of pets , kubo and two strings

r rated comedies - sausage fest

there are more genre available

Many of actors and directors who are working on blockbuster started in indies and are headlining mainstream movies

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minu_8

@minu_8

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Posted: 9 years ago

#15

I go through phases where i m annoyed at the same things u have written and wish they wouldn't act so desparate.. yet as things stand there is no denying that hw is definitely superior.. that diesnt mean everything hw is better just bcos its hw.. there r many better movies made here than many crap movies hollywoid churns out every year.. but I really thunk their best is far better than the best bw has to offer right now..

But i dont blame the actoRs.. i believe with the same material and directorial skills were available yo indian acyors there are MANY who can guve equally wonderful perfotmances.. since u mEntion chris Evans in one of your posts there r plenty better actors than him here.. and before u go is crap.. i m sure both srk and salman have done bettEr movies than before u go.. that was a flop attempt at copying before sunrise..

The major problem lies with the writers and to lesser extent directors.. there is no originality and the blatant copying is pathetic.. i wish there comes a time when an indian movie sells based on writer name on The poster (like soRkin) rather than the actors..

Also i really dont mind our actors/directors citing hW filmmakers , actors as idolds really..bcos right from 1950s there are sooo many bw films which are remakes of hw and in some cases i was disappiinted to see from some prominent yesteryear directors.. so y cant They idolise those who can create original work?

But i would still like our actors , filmmakers to work more towards taking our cinema to their level than running after hw

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clarity

@clarity

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Posted: 9 years ago

#16

@JustMoi- I agree. That's one thing I really appreciate about HW. BW needs to weed out nepotism.

But because the industry is better due to a more developed society, does it mean people should have an inferiority complex?

@Sherlock- Agreed. Definitely more genres and more variety.

When I pointed out the problems which HW has, I meant that, "hey, HW has these problems too", so we don't need to treat it like some great institution BW can never aspire to become like.

I think we should admire and respect a better industry, but realize that it has flaws too and isn't above criticism. No need to feel inferior about it, like many people do.

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1011128

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Posted: 9 years ago

#17

Problem here is that Pamela was compared to Priyanka

If you are going to do that then it is HW

Pamela in baywatch was like a fresh fruit. Young, fresh, lively, full of life and beautiful. Like a Mangoe

Priyanka has past her prime by few years. She is older, no work, wannabe, and does not fit. She is like a Khajoor.

If you just compare HW and BW then difference is in money and technology. I have noticed that you play a handicapped person and you are likely to get nominated for oscar..it is getting predictable. It is superficial and its farce gets hidden under name, money, technology.

Still overall HW > BW

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clarity

@clarity

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Posted: 9 years ago

#18

Originally posted by: minu_8
I go through phases where i m annoyed at the same things u have written and wish they wouldn't act so desparate.. yet as things stand there is no denying that hw is definitely superior.. that diesnt mean everything hw is better just bcos its hw.. there r many better movies made here than many crap movies hollywoid churns out every year.. but I really thunk their best is far better than the best bw has to offer right now..
But i dont blame the actoRs.. i believe with the same material and directorial skills were available yo indian acyors there are MANY who can guve equally wonderful perfotmances.. since u mEntion chris Evans in one of your posts there r plenty better actors than him here.. and before u go is crap.. i m sure both srk and salman have done bettEr movies than before u go.. that was a flop attempt at copying before sunrise..

The major problem lies with the writers and to lesser extent directors.. there is no originality and the blatant copying is pathetic.. i wish there comes a time when an indian movie sells based on writer name on The poster (like soRkin) rather than the actors..
Also i really dont mind our actors/directors citing hW filmmakers , actors as idolds really..bcos right from 1950s there are sooo many bw films which are remakes of hw and in some cases i was disappiinted to see from some prominent yesteryear directors.. so y cant They idolise those who can create original work?

But i would still like our actors , filmmakers to work more towards taking our cinema to their level than running after hw

Hey!

Yeah, this is what I was trying to say.

I think the major problem lies with the audience. The audience isn't interested in watching movies that are not in their words, 'fantastical'. They like watching Rajnikanth or SRK or Salman doing the same thing over and over again. Nothing wrong with those who like it, but there is no variety in BW for the rest of us.

BW is of course money-hungry, so they don't try to churn out varied content. I don't blame them though. They're trying to make profits and it's a business, but yes, they could be more creative and not just do Dilwale type movies.

HW is also losing out on ticket sales, especially this year, with the barrage of idiotic sequels they ahve made.

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the notebook

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Sparkler

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Posted: 9 years ago

#19

I actually don't think so. I think a good movie is a good movie irregardless whether it's from hollywood, bollywood, any language etc. Many bollywood movies are better than hollywood movies and vice versa. It depends.

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Ram Chai Waala.

@-Sneha6-

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Posted: 9 years ago

#20

Has Hollywood's soft power increased to the point that people will appreciate their content without really using their mind?

Actually, this is a fine line. And a well-brought out point. Lekin at least wahan pe content hai toh sahi. Yahan pe content dhundne jao, toh ek saal mein 5 movies bhi nahi gina paoge.

I don't think people like Hollywood because of its superiority complex towards BW. Sure, there is the whole Western charm, but the youth nowadays is also more educated and smart. Good movies attract them, and let's be honest, HW has a truck-load of better movies per year. The execution is much more refined, even for a poor storyline/acting. As someone pointed out, given the choice of two similar movies, I would probably choose to watch the latter too. And then there is the added advantage of originality, which clearly lacks in our society, baring a few good writers/directors - and those too don't come up with a movie every year.

One last point. I just want to talk about the ratio of movies released per year as well. HW hardly restricts big movies to specific dates. A year can have 20 big movies releasing with all them doing extremely well. So producers are less afraid of sponsoring a certain number of movies. If you have X more number of movies, there's a far better chance of having a good lot of well done movies in them too. So I was wondering if, on a yearly scale, doesn't HW have a lot more releases?

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