Slaughtering of 'Bakra' does not mean Qurbani: Irrfan Khan - Page 8

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Posted: 9 years ago
#71

Originally posted by: Divine-Pearl



Asking out of curiosity

Is there any sign of existence there for first three.

Hazrat Ali I know.

In Nazaf he has big mosque which is known as Roza where he died

He was born at Holy place kaaba and they say still his birth mark is there.

Didn't Prophet Mohammad got his daughter married with H. Ali? Entire karbala history (which was biggest twist in islam) is all about Hazrat Hussein (Son of Hazrat Ali)

So what role other 3 played?


Abu Bakr = He was Prophet's Father in Law. His daughter, Aisha was married to Mohammad. He was the first declared Muslim, outside Prophet's family and first Muslim Caliph (Sunni/Shia debate).

Hazrat Omar = Senior Sahabi of Prophet Mohammad. He eliminated the ban on Jews by Christians and allowed em in Jerusalem to worship.

Hazrat Usman = He was Prophet's Son in Law and companion. He married two of his daughters; Ruqayyah, when she passed away then married Umm Kulthum.

Edited by TheJake - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
#72

Originally posted by: TheBoss

Its a very complicated matter. Prophet Mohammad was the last prophet of Islam and this is the absolute faith a muslim must say when they say Kalma that There is no god except Allah and Mohammad is his messenger (fyi Jesus, David, Noah etc) were also earlier prophets but Mohammad was the last. After Mohammad it was strictly told that there would be no successor but a caliph like a mayor of the place would run the day to day affairs. Abu Bakr, Umar, Usman and Ali.

Since the prophet did not had any sons there was no lineage and it was important so that people tomorrow wont claim that they are his successor. He only had daughters and even the two sons from her daughter Hasan and Hussain were martyered and they were sons of Ali the last caliph and after that there was a rift between Shia and Sunni because people felt that those two Hussain and Hassan succeeded the caliphete


Inaccurate. That's all I'll say.
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Posted: 9 years ago
#73

Originally posted by: Zeeliciousxo


Problem is, you don't need to be a scholar at all to give an opinion on religion so these "religious scholars" don't have a right to tell him to shut up.


@bold the day they understand it, many issues will go away.

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Posted: 9 years ago
#74
At the expense of sounding blasphemeous I would just like to say that half othe problems in the world would be solved if greed did not take over humans and their quest for power, money and independence. Though it is another thing that they dont know the price of independence or what to do with it.
Such is the dire issues in every community now. Be it gurudwaras where there is daily infighting between smaller sects that are propping up, or in temples for control of prasad, gold donation and control, to churches. Most of it is all about MONEY.
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Posted: 9 years ago
#75

Originally posted by: Divine-Pearl



Asking out of curiosity

Is there any sign of existence there for first three.

Hazrat Ali I know.

In Nazaf he has big mosque which is known as Roza where he died

He was born at Holy place kaaba and they say still his birth mark is there.

Didn't Prophet Mohammad got his daughter married with H. Ali? Entire karbala history (which was biggest twist in islam) is all about Hazrat Hussein (Son of Hazrat Ali)

So what role other 3 played?

Yes, the Prophet's daughter married Ali. The entire incident of Karbala which yes as you mentioned is arguably the biggest thing to have happened in Islam traces back to Ali and his family who were all Mohammed's bloodline..which again goes back to the argument between Sunnis and Shias and how Shias believe that Ali deserved to be the caliph after Mohammed before others.
I believe the other 3 do have their graves which people visit somewhere in the Middle East by the way.

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Posted: 9 years ago
#76

Originally posted by: Zeeliciousxo


Inaccurate. That's all I'll say.


Incomplete? Yes. Inaccurate? Depends who you ask. Volumes and volumes has been written about it but nothing is absolute. This debate has been going on for hundreds of years and everyone and their uncle had their say about it. If you expect me to have an accurate interpretation of that then Im just a mere mortal and this is beyond my reach but perhaps you could settle it for once in all where everyone from the 72 sects can find your version accurate and conclusive.
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Irrfan told Deccan Herald, " The meaning of Qurbani is to sacrifice something which is close to you instead of any goat or sheep which you just buy to sacrifice. Before sacrificing we should share a bond with that thing otherwise just killing of an animal will not serve the purpose. Nowadays we have lost the relevance behind such religious activities and perform these rituals without knowing the meaning behind them."


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Completely agree with him. Exactly my thoughts.
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Posted: 9 years ago
#78

Originally posted by: TheJake


Abu Bakr = He was Prophet's Father in Law. His daughter, Aisha was married to Mohammad. He was the first declared Muslim, outside Prophet's family and first Muslim Caliph (Sunni/Shia debate).

Hazrat Omar = Senior Sahabi of Prophet Mohammad. He eliminated the ban on Jews by Christians and allowed em in Jerusalem to worship.

Hazrat Usman = He was Prophet's Son in Law and companion. He married two of his daughters; Ruqayyah, when she passed away then married Umm Kulthum.




Sayings of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w): for Hazrat Abu bakar e siddque r.a

1. Abu Bakr except from all Prophets are supreme in all human beings. (Tibrani)

2. The most merciful on my Ummah, in my Ummah, is Abu Bakr. (Tirimzi)

3. Oh Abu Bakr!, you will be my companion on the pond of Heaven as you were also my companion in the cave. (Tirimzi)

4. Tell Abu Bakr from my side to offer Salat to people (Muslims). [In absence of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w)] (Bukhari, Muslim, Tirimzi, Ibn-e-Majah)

5. I don't know uptil when I remain with you, so follow the ones (who will become Caliphs) after me. [Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w) pointed towards Abu Bakr (r.a) and Umar (r.a)]. And follow the way of Ammar and the words that Abdullah bin Masood tell you, verify it. (Tirimzi)

Note: In every Arabic Madrasa, a book named "Husami" is being taught to the Alims. There comes a topic called as "Ijm'a". It is "Ijm'a" that: "The one who don't accept Hazrat Abu Bakr Siddiq (r.a) as the First Caliph, denying "Ijm'a" is a "Kafir".





Sayings of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w):Hazrat Umer e Farooq r.a

1. I see that devil either from humans or jinn, runs away from Umar. (Tirimzi)

2. I saw in a dream that I was given a bowl of milk which I drunk and remaining I gave it to Umar. (Tirimzi)

3. No doubt, ALLAH has issue truth, on the tongue and in the heart of Umar. (Tirimzi)

4. I saw a dream that I am in the Heaven, there I saw Rameesa (my quilt aunt) and I heard someone's footstep, I asked: who is this?. I was answered: it is Bilal and I saw a palace with a handmaid standing in front of it, I asked: whose palace is this?. She said: Umar bin Khattab's. I wished to see it from inside but, Oh Umar!, I divided my attention from your shame. Hazrat Umar (r.a) said: My father and mother be sacrificed upon You, should I ponder from Your saying?. (Bukhari)

5. If some else Prophet should have been proposed by ALLAH after me, would have been Umar bin Khattab. (Tirimzi)



Sayings of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w):Hazrat Usman e Ghani r.a

1. Every Prophet will have a special companion of Him in the Heaven, and my companion there will be Usman. (Ibn-e-Majah)

2. Should I not feel shame from Usman to whom the angels feel shame from. (Muslim)

3. Oh Usman!, if ALLAH some day give you this government and the hypocrites want you to put off this shirt (government) which ALLAH gave you, then you should not put it off. [Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w) repeated these words three times] (Ibn-e-Majah, Tirimzi)

4. Once a funeral came in front of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w) to offer Salah (funeral prayer). Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w) didn't offered the prayer of that person and went back. On being asking Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w) said: He kept hatred from Usman, thus ALLAH kept hatred from him. (Mishkawt)

5. Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w) married His daughter Hazrat Ruqqiya (r.a) with Hazrat Usman Ghani (r.a). When She died Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w) said: It is the order of ALLAH to marry Her sister (Ruqqiya's) Um-e-Kalsoom with Usman. So Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w) married Her with Usman Ghani (r.a). When She died, Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w) said: If I would have another daughter, I would have also married her with Usman. (Mishkawt


Sayings of Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w):Hazrat Ali ul Murtaza r.a

1. Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w) on the day of Khaibar said: In the morning I will hand over this flag to that person to whom ALLAH and His Prophet keeps friend. Companions (r.a) says that suddenly Hazrat Ali Murtaza (r.a) appeared and in some coatings it is said that Hazrat Ali Murtaza (r.a) was called and given that flag by Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w). (Bukhari)

2. No doubt, Ali is from Me and I am from Ali, and Ali will be the Saint of every Momin after Me, and will keep a love from him (Momin), no one will be hatred from Him. (Tirimzi)

3. Hazrat Ali Murtaza (r.a) said that Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.w) promised me: No one except a Momin could love Me and no one except hypocrite could hatred me. (Muslim)



ALL 4 caliphs have their importance in islamic history not only1

aur haa btw shia do blv that hazrat Mohammad SAWW was last prophet of ALLAH

Edited by I_M_SultaN - 9 years ago
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Posted: 9 years ago
#79
Q Honest Question Should not humanity exceed over any religion? Should not people look beyond texts?
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Posted: 9 years ago
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Originally posted by: Zeeliciousxo


Not true, there are many many Khans I know that are Shi'a (both from India and Pakistan).

OK...So even i learnt something today 😳 In india i met shias with these surnames only but you might be right ...names are not restricted to a particular sect .

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