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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: yamyam

i know that.. thwy put ranveer and bm on a pedestal or ab khud pachta rahe hain😆 tbh.. shahrhkh doesnt even need awards now.. he is beyond that... but i still hope to the fullest that next year js his... i wonder what woukd happen if eros clashes with salman fans... ye log phir kahan muh chupayenge😆

that should not happen
remember salman is much bigger than EROS
he got away with murder so he can do anything
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Posted: 9 years ago
I will beg to differ that award shows and reality shows can't be rigged. I think things have really changed in the past few years when it comes to the credibility of these awards. I mean even Oscars have a lot of politics behind them so it'd be really naive to assume here that our award shows in the last few years haven't lost credibility. I haven't seen Masaan but I have heard that Vicky Kaushal was terrific in it , he got amazing reviews. How can you then give the award to SP is beyond me. Like I would have understand if it was a close race but anyone who has seen Masaan was all praises for that guy.

As for Anil Kapoor , how can you put him in the supporting character category. He was the lead in DDD!

So I do think award shows in the last few years could have been easily rigged or are. I mean I would have an issue if Shahrukh won a jury award for CE or HNY or even Dilwale...lol! so Ranveer freaking deserved that award , even though I haven't seen the movie. At the same time I wouldn't mind if they had given it to Irrfan or even Varun as I think they were both terrific in Piku and Badlapur respectively. So I guess what I'm trying to say is the credibility of such awards will continue to be questioned if you choose a SP over a Vicky Kaushal as that's blatant nepotism. And that's just one example.
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Posted: 9 years ago
srkjuhi
i agree with the sooraj pancholi part
also sooraj athiya got the best couple some where
this was just bogus
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: srkjuhi



That's my whole thing ...why can't they be freaking neutral. I understand nobody really is neutral and everyone has their preferences but you are running a site here. This whole notion that it just reports whatever is out there is just hogwash as it's clear not only does it report what's out there , it concocts stuff these days and it even favors some celebs over the others.

As for Ranveer winning best actor, I haven't seen the movie or anything but I have heard he was terrific in it. I'm a Ranveer fan. He reminds me a whole lot of Shahrukh. My issue is not with him winning the filmfare for best actor , my issue is with stuff like best male debut and the fact that BB hardly won anything. Now again maybe I'm being biased since I have no inclination of watching BM but BB was terrific as a movie. That little girl should have won an award or two. As a whole it was such an entertaining film so I do feel they overlooked it quite a bit. It's amusing to see the reactions of SK fans now though. They were more than happy with praising BM like anything till a few weeks back and now it's how dare they give it to BM!😆


Its their duty to be neutral.And DNA's nautanki of 3 diffrent articles were proof enough how stupid these sites has become.I am sure if Filmfare wouldn't have been happened in 15 Jan then they would have right couple of more articles on this.

You know what I thought when I read the award thread.Everyone should get an award.Irfan,Amitji,Ranveer,Nawaz,Sanjay Mishra,Deepak etc etc.(Minus Shuhrukh,Kajol and Dilwale)

And when everyone was getting award in Screen that was prasad distribution.When BM got best film and SLB got best director then Jitesh Pillai and SLB should get married.😕.Matlab chahte kya ho aap log.

You people called it a masterpiece now why denying!You never called BB a masterpiece so who should win!You all ignored the flaws of the film so why can't jury ignore that!Sanjay always won many awards for his many films,I am not surprised.But yes I understand that BB should have won but I am equally ok if BM won.Basically I don't care.😆
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Posted: 9 years ago
Guys found this old article on SRK... its long..but its quite interesting and a good read..👍🏼
The Essential Shah Rukh
- Vir Sanghvi

When you talk to Shahrukh Khan, there's a sense that he's operating at several levels: the polite and charming matinee idol, the clever businessman, the vulnerable boy who lost his parents before he made it in the movies... will the real Shahrukh Khan ever take a bow?

Shahrukh Khan's house. A stone's throw from the Taj Land's End, in Bombay's Bandra Bandstand area, the old heritage property has been extensively renovated - but not remodelled, that would be against the law - so that it combines the grace of old Bombay bungalows, from the pre-skyscraper era, with a cool modern elegance.

The living room could be late period Philippe Starck, with the quirky little touches like the glass legs on the tables and sudden curve where you expect a sharp angle. Except of course that the Khans decided not to use a decorator. The vision is pretty much Gauri Khan's own - she has an arts background - and even Shahrukh, who has a keen aesthetic sense, has done his bit.

The house is famous, of course. It lay unoccupied for years. Legends built up around it. And then, when Shahrukh bought it, there were all kinds of legal hassles. Eventually, he had to agree to buy the land behind the bungalow as well, otherwise the entire property would have been attached. The total cost of the property - given that he bought it twice over, making payments to different owners and many authorities - is estimated like Rs 30 crore (and that's before you count the interiors).

"It put me in debt for two years," Shahrukh smiles. "But you know, I've never had a house of my own. So, I suppose, it was worth it."

The interview itself is conducted in the den upstairs. Actually, it is not quite a den. The idea was to create a cinema-like ambience so that Shahrukh could watch movies on the big plasma screen. There's a Pepsi machine of the sort that one sees in the foyer of movie halls. There's even a juke box. But there's not that much evidence of movies, only many many tapes of Friends. "They're Gauri's," Shahrukh explains, "I've never really had the time to sit and watch movies here."

But now perhaps all that will change. Shahrukh is wrapping up a film with Yash Chopra. And when that's done, he's going to take five months off at a stretch.

"I just need to have some time with my family. And with myself," he says.

He can afford the break. This has been a very good time for Shahrukh Khan. He starred in Kal Ho Naa Ho, produced and written by his friend Karan Johar and directed by Nikhil Advani and ended up with second biggest hit of last year (after Koi Mil Gaya). Then, a few months ago, came Main Hoon Na, his own production, directed by another close friend, Farah Khan. As of this moment, Main Hoon Na is still running to packed houses so it is difficult to estimate what the final gross will be but the indications are that it will be one of Shahrukh's biggest ever movies, behind only such all-time blockbusters as Dilwale Dulhania Le Jayenge and Kuch Kuch Hota Hai.

There's no doubt that he's Bombay's number one star, ahead of the other Khans by miles and guaranteed to deliver a hit, no matter how different the genre: the urban, A' class centre ambience of Kal Ho Naa Ho, the Gujarati-Bengali opulence of Devdas or the old-fashioned formula film as updated by Farah in Main Hoon Na.

More to the point, there are no challengers on the horizon. The sceptics had said that once the cute, college boy-like charm wore off, the roles would dry up. He was, they said, a teen hero who had managed the difficult feat of extending his youth. This was no mean achievement, they conceded, but it was also time-bound. At some stage, the wrinkles would show through, the cutesy mannerisms would begin to get irritating and newer, younger stars would turn up.

But it sure as hell hasn't worked out that way. Even before the youthful charm faded, Shahrukh had climbed the next steps of the ladder. In Aditya Chopra's Mohabbatein, he mentored a new generation of kids and restricted his love interest to flashback and ghosts. In Karan Johar's Kabhi Khushi Kabhie Gham (K3G), he was married with children, playing big brother to Hrithik Roshan. In Devdas, he dared take on a role that everybody associated with Dilip Kumar.

Teen hero?

Yeah may be, once upon a time. But not now. Not for a while.

A psychiatrist asked to analyse Shahrukh Khan would probably tear up the couch, burn his medical certificates and look for another profession.

The problem - to put it bluntly - is that Shahrukh is too goddamn smart for anybody to get a fix on what he's thinking. Of all the stars I've interviewed over the last 25 years, he is possibly the brightest and certainly the most complex.

If you use the traditional definition of intelligence as the ability to hold two completely contradictory thoughts in your head at the same time and still function normally, then he is in the genius league.

When you talk to him, there's a sense in which he's operating at several - why stop at two? - levels simultaneously. There's the Obvious Shahrukh. That's the polite and charming fellow who talks nicely to you.

The Obvious Shahrukh is the man we all see. He strikes us as bright, articulate, intelligent and persuasive. In some ways, he is like Tony Blair of whom it has famously been said that he's never met anybody he couldn't charm at a one-to-one level.

The problem with the Obvious Shahrukh is that it takes him exactly five minutes to suss you out. He knows where you are coming from, he knows what you like hearing and sure enough, he gives it to you.

Nothing wrong with that. Except that no matter how nice the Obvious Shahrukh is, you sense that you've only just scratched the surface.

But who knows, how many other Shahrukhs lurk beneath that surface? His mind, as he himself says, is always racing. He rushes from thought to thought, from concept to concept, and no matter how hard you try and keep up, he's always four steps ahead of you.

There's a Clever Shahrukh somewhere in there; the fellow who knows how the game is played and will play it better than anybody else. There's also, I think, A Genuinely Nice Shahrukh, the man who will promote his friends, will go out of his way to help strangers, and will give lakhs and lakhs to charity, only on the condition that it is never publicised. There's a Financially Savvy Shahrukh, who will make crores doing endorsements, live shows and even dancing at weddings, knowing that he now has the freedom to turn down any film role that doesn't excite him on the grounds that he could make the same amount of money (or more) from a single ad.

And then, of course, hidden deep within all the other Shahrukhs, is the guy he never really lets you see. The Vulnerable Shahrukh. Or, the Essentially Insecure Shahrukh. The boy who lost his parents before he made it in the movies, who has used Gauri, Juhi Chawla, Farah, Karan, Aditya, Aziz Mirza and a few others to create an alternative family environment where he is loved and secure. Who is so terrified by failure that his solution has been to act as though the possibility does not exist; to convince himself that he's the best at anything he wants to do and that there will never ever be bad days in his life.

You glimpse this Shahrukh, every now and then, when he talks. But he's just a flash in the crowd. Just one more Shahrukh hidden deep within the cluster of other Shahrukhs.

And yet, you always feel that if there wasn't this Shahrukh, then none of the others would have to exist.

He has no sob stories also about the phase when he suddenly realised that he was - to use that terrible word - an orphan in his early 20s. There were financial problems, he concedes. He hadn't realised how much the debts were, or what the disputes over property and the business (a gas distribution agency) were.

When he realised that he was, effectively, without any resources, he decided to leave the disputed assets to relatives and took off for Bombay.

I ask him the obvious question: was he trying to create a brand new life for himself, to start all over again, with Gauri as his sole emotional crutch?

He's heard the question before. But he still doesn't have any answers. "I don't know. I remember being sad when my mother died. And I was worried about my sister who wasn't well. But I never thought I am alone.' I just threw myself into my work."

Didn't the sorrow that he'd bottled up ever come out? Is it still somewhere inside him?

He shrugs.

But then Shahrukh doesn't like talking about the dark patches. He never talks, for instance, about the period when he became the principal target for the underworld.

It began with threatening calls and extortion demands. At first, he wasn't inclined to take them seriously but when the threats grew more explicit, he went to the police. He says that Rakesh Maria and several other senior Bombay police officers were more than helpful. And though the threats didn't stop, he had the courage to tell the goondas to get lost.

The men who backed the notorious Chori Chori Chupke Chupke came to him first. When he turned down the role, they threatened to shoot him. Something snapped inside him when he heard the threat, he says. "I'll shoot you in the head if you try anything," he told the surprised gangster.

The next day the police were in touch. They had intercepted a phone call, they said, ordering a hit on Shahrukh Khan. The underworld planned to bomb his car.

He had police security, he says, so he was reassured to some extent. But the fear never really went away entirely. If he changed mobiles, the dons would have the new number. No matter where he went, they would seem to know.

He was standing, one day, he says, in Mehboob Studio when his mobile rang. "Tu Mehboob mein khada hain," a voice. "Main tum ko udhar hi uda doonga."

He had a bodyguard but the voice on the phone was suitably scathing about his protection. "Woh tujhe kaise bachaayega?"

He says now that he was scared. "It was like they were always there. That they knew exactly where you were and what you were doing."

That's one bad phase that Shahrukh Khan doesn't like talking about.

He's never been eager to talk about the phase that followed - which was probably even worse.

By 2000, Shahrukh had been on top for so long and seemed so secure that you could be forgiven for thinking that he was about to be crowned king of the world. The only cloud on the horizon - the underworld threat - was under wraps and nobody knew about the pressure Shahrukh was under.

Reactions to success follow a predictable path. If you are a failure nobody likes you. If you are a success, everybody likes you. But if you remain a success for too long, then everybody really hates you.

And Shahrukh seemed to be having it too easy. There were no claimants to his crown. And even Amitabh Bachchan, the acknowledged once and future king of Hindi cinema, was in temporary (as it turned out) decline.

Then suddenly Hrithik Roshan happened. There's no doubt that Hrithik has an astonishing screen presence and that Kaho Na... Pyaar Hai was the most impressive debut film in decades. Nor is there any dispute that Hrithik is here to stay.

But could the hero of a debut film, a man who was just one film old, take over from Bollywood's top star?

The press seemed to think so. With the ferocity of a pack of hunting dogs, the media turned on Shahrukh. It was all over for him, they said. Hrithik was the new number one.

It did not help that Shahrukh's last release, the self-produced Phir Bhi Dil Hai Hindustani had flopped. Now, said the press, every other Shahrukh movie would be a dud. Shahrukh-mania was over.

The first victim of this mob fury was Josh, a West Side Story style movie set in Goa. Though the film did well enough, making profits for all concerned, the media were determined to declare that it was a flop.

When Shahrukh protested otherwise, the press wrote that it was pathetic how this flop actor was trying to keep up with Hrithik by pretending that a dud like Josh was a hit.

Then, Amitabh Bachchan made a comeback with Kaun Banega Crorepati. Suddenly, the original Shahenshah was back.

This gave the press all the ammunition it needed. Amitabh was king. Hrithik was Crown Prince. And Shahrukh Khan was past his sell by date.

Next, the police launched a crackdown on the underworld. Logically, this should have worked in Shahrukh's favour - after all, he had been the prime target of the gangsters.

But no, because Bharat Shah, the producer of Devdas which starred Shahrukh was also said to have underworld links, the media decided that Shahrukh may also have connections with the dons.

Overnight, he went from being a hero to becoming a villain.

"It was," says Shahrukh Khan, "the worst two-year phase of my life. I was told I was a flop. I was even told that I had links with the underworld. The cops were generally friendly. But one day, they called me to Crime Branch headquarters and they played Bad Cop-Good Cop. Even though I knew what they were doing, it was hard not to be shaken. Afterwards they said Arre, Shahrukh don't mind, yeh to hamara system hai.' They wanted to be able to say that they had interrogated me."

He says he was completely shaken. "I hadn't done anything wrong. I had suffered. And now I was being accused of having links with the guys who had wanted me killed."

The press, sensing blood, went in for the kill. When Rakesh Roshan was attacked, it was suggested that the dons were out to damage Hrithik and protect Shahrukh. The Hindu-Muslim angle surfaced in RSS publications but made no sense - Shahrukh is married to a Hindu and Hrithik to a Muslim.

As if to drive home the competition, Shahrukh was then working on Karan Johar's K3G with Hrithik and Amitabh. While Shahrukh had held his own against Amitabh in their previous pairing Mohabbatein, the critics said that this was because Shahrukh had the script-backed role. Now, he would be shown up for the no-talent as he really was.

"For two years," he says, "I just kept my head down and worked. I only spoke to Gauri and a few friends. Things had got so bad that I remember Gauri and my mother-in-law waking me one morning, thrilled because a newspaper had said that the police had found that I was a victim of the underworld, not a patron."

Shahrukh Khan shakes his head. "Those were really bad days," he says.

Of course, our story has a happy ending. Nobody said that Shahrukh was overshadowed in K3G and the underworld rumours now seem like a distant memory.


But how does he cope with adversity?

In different ways, I think. The Obvious Shahrukh seems unruffled. He smiles from the audience at film functions when the cameras focus on him as Hrithik accepts an award. He laughs and bonds with co-stars.

But as for the Essentially Insecure Shahrukh?

Well, that's a different matter. He's now got quite set in his ways. He has his friends whom he loves like a family. In an unguarded moment he will admit to moments of insecurity when he thinks that they will leave him and move on. But basically, he knows they love him. And he loves them.

He's got Gauri and the kids and one of the closest family units in Bombay. Because he lost both parents early and his sister hasn't been well, he's never going to let anyone take his wife and family away from him.

And then there's his career. "I'll be honest," he says. "I know I'm the best. I'll always be a superstar. There's no doubt in my mind."

Hubris? Perhaps. But more likely, it is the only way he can function. It is, he says, the way he's been able to cope with loss, with insecurity. "I keep telling myself I'm the best at everything I do. If I'm shaving, I say that I'm the best shaver in the world. I know it sounds stupid. But that's the way I am."

"If I allow myself to feel that I'm not the best at

something, if I feel nervous or not confident, then I just can't do it. That's my motivation. It is my way of doing things."

He has to feel he's the best.

Or he's nothing.

So, what next for Shahrukh Khan? Will he really become the film-maker he set out to be?

He doesn't know. He's happy with the role he's played as a producer. Phir Bhi Dil Hai Hindustani flopped. The critics said it was too cerebral - a charge he still doesn't accept. Asoka was probably over-ambitious but because he sold it cheap to distributors, it still made money. The problem was with the huge sums he invested in the film's foreign release, reckoning that it could be a cross-over success. Just before it was due to be released, 9/11 happened and the film got lost in the chaos that followed.

But he's had success with Chalte Chalte. Main Hoon Na, has made many crores and distributors are lining up to buy any other film he wants to produce.

He will produce more movies he says. But he's not sure what or when. At present, he's having fun with his acting. Though he doesn't drink very much in real life, he shot most of the drunken scenes in Devdas when he was really drunk. "It was an ego thing," he concedes. "I wanted to prove that I could do it. That I could reach my mark even when I was sozzled." Except for one day when he overdid it and ended up retching, it went well.

And he's being subtler with his performances than many people realise. Take Mohabbatein. At one level, it's a film about the Obvious Shahrukh teaching young kids how to love. In his mind though, it's a film about a Darker Shahrukh who comes back to take revenge and uses the kids (turning their lives upside down) as the instruments of his vengeance. It doesn't matter, he says, how audiences relate to the film. If they like the Obvious Shahrukh and his violin, that's fine with him. But if they want to look for the darker subtext, that's there too.

So, is he having fun?

Yes, he is. He's very happy.

And will things ever go wrong? Will any clouds cross the horizon?

No. Never. Nothing can go wrong. He won't let it. He will stop himself from even thinking about it.

Too much went wrong too early for the Essentially Insecure Shahrukh. And now it's time for things to go right - and stay that way.
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@red part- SRK was over in 2000 also...😃 and the case at that time is soo similar to now! 😆
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Posted: 9 years ago

Originally posted by: srkjuhi

I will beg to differ that award shows and reality shows can't be rigged. I think things have really changed in the past few years when it comes to the credibility of these awards. I mean even Oscars have a lot of politics behind them so it'd be really naive to assume here that our award shows in the last few years haven't lost credibility. I haven't seen Masaan but I have heard that Vicky Kaushal was terrific in it , he got amazing reviews. How can you then give the award to SP is beyond me. Like I would have understand if it was a close race but anyone who has seen Masaan was all praises for that guy.

As for Anil Kapoor , how can you put him in the supporting character category. He was the lead in DDD!

So I do think award shows in the last few years could have been easily rigged or are. I mean I would have an issue if Shahrukh won a jury award for CE or HNY or even Dilwale...lol! so Ranveer freaking deserved that award , even though I haven't seen the movie. At the same time I wouldn't mind if they had given it to Irrfan or even Varun as I think they were both terrific in Piku and Badlapur respectively. So I guess what I'm trying to say is the credibility of such awards will continue to be questioned if you choose a SP over a Vicky Kaushal as that's blatant nepotism. And that's just one example.



Aamir stopped coming on award shows because Shahrukh got award for DDLJ.I disagree with Aamir totally and find it really a childish behaviour.Same goes to Ajay Devgan and Akshay Kumar.Jinko nehi milti aisi baate wohi karte hai.

Aamir was industry kid,If u ask Aamir he will say he deserved it but didn't get it.Award shows are rigid,Isn't it?So that time also award shows were rigid.Nothing changed all these years also.

Akshay Kumar,Varun says Award shows have become this that and all still they will attend the shows which proves its just their opinion.

Baaki with all due respect lets agree to disagree.😆


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Posted: 9 years ago
thank u shailu for the interview
this is so amazing mind blowing
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Originally posted by: .chandni.

thank u shailu for the interview

this is so amazing mind blowing

Yes it is!😃😃⭐️

BTW i didn't knw he got underworld threats!!!😲
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awards are rigged as per convenience.. if i dont get it.. konsa award and kesa award and if i do.. itthey have attained credibility.. yes.. there might be a bit of politics involved which happens everywheer.. but to discard award completely is not right in my opinion... thats like saying everything i am the best and whatever i do i deserve an award.. thats another reason that i respect shahrukh.. he ddid not say i deserve an award for the past two years and since i am not getting it i will not attend.. thats unprofessional and childish in my oipinion.. anil was casted as the supporting role.. it was because he was so good in his role that he manbaged to outshine all and came across as the lead.. the only two awards i found were not right were best debut actor and the best flm.. but as i said.. ff gives best film to the film which is more hyped and bm was hyped like anything for whatever reaosn.. suraj got an award for his conenctions from what i gather😆
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With regards to Aamir's stand on the awards here, I have found it hypocritical to say the least. He had no issues being at the Oscars. Anyone who follows the Oscars would know how much lobbying goes on BTS! There's so much politics there as well. If he stopped attending the shows because "he" thought he deserved it for a movie but didn't get it then I find that rather petty. He's entitled too do what he feels is right though.
At the same time there's no denying that things have gone downhill in the past few years when it comes to these awards. I mean Kangana basically stated in one of her interviews that had she attended some award show, she would have won for Queen. They gave it to Deepika as Kangana refused to attend shows. I did like Filmfare giving her the best actress trophy even though she wasn't there.
The credibility questions have come into the picture I feel in the last few years. Maybe they were there earlier too I'm not aware of it. I love the fact that Shahrukh makes no apologies about wanting to win awards. His stand as always been consistent. He has been there at these shows even when those trophies went to someone else. Even the people who crib about it love it for one reason or the other. Firstly, they'll pay you if you're performing. Secondly, getting an award is form of appreciation so even those who raise questions over it like it when they are given one.

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